In this conversation, I talk to Ilora Finlay (https://members.parliament.uk/member/3609/career (Baroness Finlay of Llandaff)), the first Chair of the National Mental Capacity Forum, reflecting on the tasks she faced pre-pandemic to champion the MCA, and the particular challenges of the MCA under strain in the pandemic. For the original video, see https://www.mentalcapacitylawandpolicy.org.uk/mental-capacity-challenges-and-commitment-in-conversation-with-ilora-finlay/ (here).