Debby Irving spent the first few chapters of her life outside Boston in a town not so different from Sonoma. After a long career in non-profits she decided to pursue a masters degree where she ended up exploring the roots of her upbringing in an unexpected and illuminating way. The discoveries she made informed her award-winning book, "Waking Up White," which chronicle her journey towards a better understanding of race in America. In our conversation we discuss some of the history of discrimination in America, the challenges we all face, and some enlightening possibilities for self-discovery and improvement.