Today we sit down with Paul, whom Doug initially expresses skepticism towards because he got sober younger than he did. Topics discussed include the importance of having meaningful relationships with others, living a fulfilling life, what "fun" is (and how difficult of a concept this is to grasp in early recovery,) what it means to be "functioning," and the difficulties of putting yourself out there as you get older.

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Casting Light is a production of Guiding Light, a free in-patient substance abuse treatment program offered to men in Grand Rapids, MI. To learn more go to GuidingLightWorks.org

Intro music by PVNCY