Justin and Jon are joined by Jason Fried to talk about:
- The philosophy behind their new book Shape Up.
- Does Basecamp's approach to 6-week cycles differ for smaller teams?
- "Long projects destroy morale. When things don't ship, you get frustrated." – Jason Fried
- Why projects ship late (it's human nature).
- Why work is like a hill.
- How they make product decisions at Basecamp.
- How do you know what you should work on next?
- Why they don't believe in backlogs.
- "That feeling of 'there's nothing to do, but there's everything to do' shouldn't be happening." – Jason Fried
- "You need a system at some point. When you have two people, you can hack your way to anything. But as soon as you grow, you'll need a system." – Jason Fried
- "What we have is not a perfect system. And even if it was, we don't execute these things perfectly." – Jason Fried
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Show notes:
- Jon's launch announcement tweet (from 2018).
- Read Basecamp's new book Shape Up.
- Jason Fried commented on this Linkedin post.
- Hill charts.
- Listen to Rework Podcast's "Shape Up Roundtable."
- Derek Sivers' new article: My old clothes don't fit
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