on grief, which they understand as belonging to the broader emotional category of pain or distress, and therefore being something bad for us. We then look briefly at some of the treatments of grief and grieving in Epictetus and Seneca.Texts mentioned in this talk:Marcus Aurelius' Meditations - https://amzn.to/3osPFNFEpictetus' Discourses and Enchiridion - https://amzn.to/37G6bE0Seneca's Letters - https://amzn.to/3dZQrNkCicero's Tusculan Disputations - https://amzn.to/3L1WoxY