Ijeoma Ukenta, a Black Muslim Nigerian American woman, was accosted by Abigail Elphick, a white woman, at a Victoria’s Secret in the Milborn mall in Short Hills, New Jersey. Ms. Ukenta began recording the interaction which showed Ms. Elphick go from--what appeared to be an attempted strike to laying down on the floor in the store crying, asking why no one was defending her? She (Elphick) was the clear aggressor, but history has shown that the lives of Black people are put in jeopardy when white women are moved (or move) to tears. Tariq is joined by Layla Abdullah Poulos to talk about the implications of those tears, and the responses of mall security, the police, and Victoria’s Secret employees.

Guest- Layla Abdullah Poulos Host/Producer- Tariq I. El-Amin Image- Tariq I. El-Amin Music