Michael and Karen discuss data compression and cybersecurity as a lens to view language, memory, relationship and consciousness, and in the process stumble upon C. S. Lewis, Jordan Peterson's Maps of Meaning, and Owen Barfield.

Propaganda 1) as a false dichotomy 2) as a Zip Bomb or a destroyer of worlds

The Mandelbrot Set as a picture of the limits of stability, the border between order and chaos in its infinite complexity

Words as containers for meaning

Owen Barfield's The History of Words (words have souls)

Michael's recent chat with Paul VanderKlay:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9C4VR9CyjM&t=389s

Karen's website: https://karenwongart.com

Karen's chats with Paul VanderKlay:

https://youtu.be/HlMgGkwWUNY

https://youtu.be/ZC03aNsPHOQ