Pastor Geoff sits down with Phil Joel - longtime Newsboys bassist and vocalist, founder of Zealand, and author of "Redwoods and Whales" - for stories and a conversation about why God is drawn to humility: a ring hidden in underground tunnels, the story behind "End of the World," and the song Phil wrote for the Trail of Death documentary. Then Geoff brings week three of I Want Greener Grass: Humble Thinking.
Daybreak | July 12, 2026
I Want Greener Grass | Week 3
Humble Thinking | Geoff Eckart & Phil Joel
0:00 Welcome & Phil Joel introduction
1:08 The ring in the Grand Rapids tunnels
7:30 Where "End of the World" came from
11:41 The struggle is where the juice is at
13:33 When the mountains don't move
15:04 The Phil Joel who came to NTS Camp
17:47 Broken promises & the Trail of Death documentary
19:12 All that is left is to love
21:41 Getting greener in the madness
24:42 Message: Humble Thinking
28:23 A school at Daybreak
32:37 Walking in humility & authority
38:11 Phil's closing word & prayer
Scripture Referenced:
Proverbs 3.5-6
Proverbs 11.2
Proverbs 22.4