Yes, we're frightfully late! Computer gremlins, travel, the silly season, we just took our time editing this one. We're sorry. Please forgive us!

Laurel kicks off the pod with the tale of her fantastic neighbourhood correspondence. She's well and truly raised the bar, and Sascha is feeling the pressure... Both are rolling in the deep of the Red album (Taylor's version), so reflect on their respective journeys as Swifties. Sascha talks about a phenomenon known to anyone trying to make new friends - aka 'the liking gap', and then practises her best, 'Bond, James Bond', impression.

Watching

Sascha - All Too Well

Laurel - No Time To Die

Reading

Sascha - The Liking Gap

Laurel - Women Who Run with the Wolves

Listening

Sascha - Song Exploder: Go Your Own Way

Laurel - Red (Taylor's Version)

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