The hosts meet with Distinguished Professor George Krause to better understand exactly what "The Deep State" is that has animated so much political attention and what scholars know about it.

Resources

• David E. Lewis's SPSA Presidential Address "Deconstructing the Administrative State."
• "Experiential Learning and Management of the U.S. Federal Bureaucracy" by George Krause and Anne Joseph O'Connell (2016)
• "Human Resources and Public Administration" by J. Edward Kellough (2020).
• Marc Eisner's Antitrust and the Triumph of Economics.
• "Acting" by Anne Joseph O'Connell (2020)