In this special episode of Saturn Returns Caggie is joined by Julia Samuels MBE, a British psychotherapist specialising in grief and child bereavement. Her second book This Too Shall Pass: Stories of Change, Crisis and Hopeful Beginnings was published in March 2020, just as COVID 19 was changing all our lives.  Caggie and Julia discuss grief in all its forms, and how we can become better equipped to navigate the seas of change.   

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