The psychiatrists of Shrinking Burnout, Dr. Wu and Dr. Radhakrishnan, discuss the controversy about clinician burnout (1:40), burnout's overlapping symptoms with clinician distress (3:03), depression (4:56), and moral injury (9:59), and the stigma of seeking mental health as a clinician (17:38).    Topics discussed in this episode:  (1:40): The lack of consensus on the burnout definition (2:28): The Maslach Burnout Inventory definition of burnout  (3:03): Clinician distress  (4:56): The reduced stigma of calling it clinician burnout rather than depression  (6:28): Systemic issues contributing to burnout (7:36): Why we decided to make the Shrinking Burnout Podcast. The benefit of decreasing stigma  (9:59): Moral injury  (11:00): The limitations of current burnout research  (13:48): Future directions of addressing clinician burnout, the need to redefine the burnout construct  (15:22): Burnout and Covid-19 (16:40):The need to assess clinician willingness to utilize burnout resources  (17:38): The stigma of seeking mental health as a clinician  (18:40): Dr. Wu's opinion on burnout terminology and the under-utilization of clinician's seeking mental health resources