Alison and Seth sit down with Katie Luman, LPC, for the second installment of The H.O.P.E. Series (Hearing Other People's Experiences). Katie brings clarity to the differences between codependency and enabling versus interdependency and healthy detachment. The group discusses important topics like self-awareness, boundaries, emotional wellness, open communication and intimacy.

Resources related to this episode:

• More about Katie Luman, LPC: https://www.katieluman.com/
• "The Codependency Collection" by Melody Beattie: https://www.melodybeattie.com/books/