Jonathan Pageau, artist and founder of the Symbolic World podcast, joins John for an interview. The discussion ranges from symbolic thinking in the new world to Jonathan's past experiences with Mennonites in Africa.

Links:

• The Symbolic World (Jonathan's podcast and work)
• The Language of Creation - Matthieu Pageau (Amzn)

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