During last year's racial reckoning, many corporations came out with solidarity statements, and made very public donations to civil rights organizations. But, often if we look just beyond the surface we will see leadership lacking in diversity and even business practices that violate the core values of the organizations they support with donations. Being publicly progressive is on trend, but that doesn't always translate to actions outside of the public eye. On this episode, Cary Martin Shelby, a law professor who has written about the value of making a profit by publicly showing empathy to the pain and suffering of marginalized groups, and Ron Goines, the Chief Fundraiser and Managing Director at The Movement for Black Lives, will discuss whether it is possible to be anti-racist, capitalist, and corporate sponsored.