A big issue in the passion conversation is that everything is fantastical. Being a writer doesn’t mean writing an article; it means being a NYT best seller. Being an actor doesn’t mean commercials; it means Meryl Streep. While it’s important to have a vision that feels inspiring, if you can’t fulfill your passion today, you’re only focusing on one side and have lost the journey.

In this episode, Aaron and Sam explain how to think about expressing passions in both grand and simple ways, and give you guidance on the arc of a meaningful life from the most minor, gritty, potentially thankless immediate step to perhaps the fulfillment of your ultimate dream.