This week Bob Turner joins the show to talk about church leadership. We discuss his new book "Essential," why leadership is lacking in many places, what Christians can under lackluster leadership, and how leaders can navigate and learn from the difficulties of the last year.

Dr. Bob Turner is the director of the Sunset Academy of Leadership Training (SALT). He travels around the country to work with elderships on how to better lead their congregation. He is also the author of the new book "Essential: Building Blocks 4 Life and Leadership" available at focuspress.org and Amazon.