New episode of Bad News. In this episode, I interview Professor Clinton Fernandes. Clinton is Professor of International and Political Studies at the University of New South Wales in Canberra. He writes on the relationship between science, diplomacy and international law, intelligence operations in foreign policy, the political and regulatory implications of new technology and Australia's external relations more generally. His books include 'Reluctant Saviour: Australia, Indonesia and the Independence of East Timor', 'Island Off the Coast of Asia: Instruments of Statecraft in Australian Foreign Policy', 'What Uncle Sam Wants: US Foreign Policy Objectives in Australia and Beyond', and the forthcoming 'Sub-Imperial Power: Australia in the International Arena'. In the interview, we talk about what he identifies as the three pillars of empire, comparing the past British empire and the current American one. We also talk about Australia’s role in both of these.

Cover art by Honor Webster-Mannison. Music is Despegue by Makiza.

//Links//

https://www.mup.com.au/books/sub-imperial-power-paperback-softback

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QPR_dAcDls&t=3584s

https://arena.org.au/the-rules-based-order/

https://theconversation.com/worried-about-agents-of-foreign-influence-just-look-at-who-owns-australias-biggest-companies-123343

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