In this epidsode I got to interview my fellow Chicago Bulls fan, my brother, my friend, my Pastor, My Leader.. Rob Snitko PHD. This one was fun. Here's a snippet from his book & what we talked about.

"We live in a polarizing world. People are being pulled in every direction, having their attention veered away from Jesus. When followers of Jesus lose sight of living life on earth as it is in heaven, it can be easy to be swayed into the many tribes of this world, being sidetracked from what matters most. If we allow it, the disunity of this world can make its way into our lives and begin to form and shape us. This leads to a depleting spiritual life." -Kingdom Formation , Rob Snitko

Also check out his books :

God is not black and white, Lessons learned from Jonah, A love we don't deserve, and kingdom formation.

Here:https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B0756LXSTV