Dr. Len Necefer is a member of the Navajo Nation and the founder of NativesOutdoors. This outdoor company works with indigenous artists and athletes to create gear that supports outdoor recreation on tribal lands. Len and I discuss Native American lands, climbing access to these lands, and how the Native American community views the sport.

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