When Ukrainians express discomfort by being pushed into a space with a russian person without consent, some foreigners label it 'hatred' or 'russophobia.' When Ukrainians talk about centuries-old pattern of serial abusive behaviour of Russian society towards the neighbours, we are dismissed as 'emotional' and 'hysterical.' Could it be just a lack of empathy or education? Lia Dostlieva, a Ukrainian artist, anthropologist and our featured Ukrainian for this episode, want you all to recognize in this attitude the old Western colonial tradition of marginalizing 'uncomfortable' voices. Together we decided to do a small workshop on how to talk and listen to Ukrainians without falling into colonial tropes.

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