watching your people perishing in genocide is another-level trauma. it is exceptionally traumatic if you are witnessing it in person. but it will leave you deeply traumatized if you are witnessing via screens and social media, too. a prominent ukrainian journalist Jane Lytvynenko joins us to educate all of us about vicarious trauma, how to talk to your ukrainian friends at a time of genocide and clarify if the ukrainian way of dealing with grief is any different?

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