A retired nephrologist shares a concise account of his experience with physician burnout, and sparks a very probing conversation between Jason and Arlene about the idea of medicine as ministry. Their discussion takes some unexpected turns as they meditate on the concept of service, the proposal to consider that our lives are NOT about us, and the freedom one can possibly find in surrendering to whatever it is that causes us pain, including our own burnout.

Please feel free to check out some of the people and resources mentioned in this episode:

The Seven Storey Mountain, by Thomas Merton, OCSO - https://www.amazon.com/dp/0156010860/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_9GNKMWR0E83FRKH5T5C8

Thoughts in Solitude, by Thomas Merton, OCSO - https://www.amazon.com/dp/0374513252/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_ZJA339HWPHCGBQTS8GXX

Bishop Robert Barron - https://youtu.be/IGkeOsCpN9g

Fr. Richard Rohr, OFM - https://cac.org/about/our-teachers/richard-rohr

Lastly, if you're a physician and you'd like to share your own story dealing with the moral injury brought about by working in the healthcare system, please email your story to physiciansheal@gmail.com.