The pugnacious conservative late-night host on his "hierarchy of smears" and the risks of being a scold.

• Thoughts? Email us at theinterview@nytimes.com
• Watch our show on YouTube: youtube.com/@TheInterviewPodcast
• For transcripts and more, visit: nytimes.com/theinterview

Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.