Chelsi continues to talk to Make Up artist and stylist Jay Aeron and Kulan Ganes owner of a casting agency and also a make-up artist who has worked on a number of Hollywood movies and has styled Will Smith on his Disney Plus TV documentary.

They chat about the trend in straight men wearing make-up and what to buy and finding out your skin type.

Jay talks about the LGBTQ community in Namibia and how much learning needs to go on before it's a perfect society and what can be done about the lack of rights for the queer community in Namibia. Jay talks about experiences with law enforcement officers including women.

Chelsi likens homophobia to racism and says that people need educating and should unlearn the hate. Jay explains why she has lost jobs because of her sexuality and Kulan says she has lost jobs because of her skin colour.

They talk about the lowest moments in their lives. Jay reveals why losing her grandmother was a really low moment and Chelsi thanks Jay for lifting her out of her lowest moment in the early days of winning Miss Namibia in 2021.

And Kulan reveals she is expanding her business to South Africa and why she believes all creatives should leave Namibia to work elsewhere.