In this episode we converse with Jack Hellmann, a 20-something sports fanatic who's childhood friends with my son. Jack is an ardent supporter of the Michigan State Spartans and the Boston Celtics. How he came to be fans of each is intriguing.

Events referenced in this episode:

• The MSU "Little Giants" fake field goal in 2010 to beat Notre Dame in overtime.
• The MSU-Wisconsin 2011 Kirk Cousins to Keith Nichol game-winning touchdown.
• The "Trouble with the Snap" MSU-Michigan football game from 2015.
• The MSU-Pittsburgh 2022 Peach Bowl.