On May 8, 2022, California set a record when renewable generation exceeded the demand for energy.  It was a milestone that the California Independent System Operator, or Cal-ISO, called "a preview of a modern, carbon-free, reliable power grid."  

In this episode, Mike talks with two of California grid operators, Brian Stockdale and Joe Binstein, to talk about what happened that day, how they managed it, and what it means for the power grid of the future.