ASEAN is gaining importance in the competition between the U.S. and China, as U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken made his maiden trip to the region this week. Will ASEAN maintain its centrality in this great power competition? Our host Liu Kun is joined by David Martin Jones, Visiting Professor at KCL, Timo Kivimaki, Professor at University of Bath, Dr. Lee Pei May, Assistant Professor at the International Islamic University Malaysia, and Professor Zha Daojiong of Peking University.