Broken bones & found bones—how Dana's photography career took a hit and a little something different for our 13th episode, on the eve of Halloween: a 100% true scary story (followed by a 10% true story told with much less flair). We also talk about how you can claim to be one thing and how to easily pivot—seriously, no one cares—and how to grow into your role at work.

Each episode, long-distance pals Ross & Dana talk about life, industry, tools & learning as they navigate parallel careers—one in-house at an agency and one self-employed—and their lives as parents, partners, and ambitious go-getters who always find something in the way.

Dana runs an agency that builds human-centered sales strategies for B2Bs. Ross is the head of design at Odobo.