Steve’s been in the wars, and Jim is almost sympathetic, before talking all things health - what is seen and what is hidden (maybe for good reason) - plus there’s the odd dive down unhelpful rabbit holes.

And if you’re interested in Michael Holding’s book “Why We Kneel How We Rise”, you can find it here:

https://www.hive.co.uk/Product/Michael-Holding/Why-We-Kneel-How-We-Rise/25440108