Even before the pandemic it was hard for childcare centers to attract workers, for parents to get affordable childcare and for workers to make a living wage. The pandemic has put some providers out of business and those that remain are struggling to attract the workers they need to stay afloat. We talk with Andy Dettman, the director of the New Dream Family Center, Betsy Levitt, who just launched her own childcare business, and Zekiel Thomas, who worked for a childcare provider but is now a nanny and personal assistant.