Brent Simmons, Dave Wiskus, and John Gruber join Guy and Rene to talk about their new app, Vesper, the value of ideas and collecting them, the art of collaboration, flat design, accessibility, testing, app pricing, and more. Also: Mad Men.

Show notes * Vesper * The Talk Show 42: No One has a Higher Horse * Glassboard * Brad Ellis at Çingleton * Michael Jurewitz at Çingleton

Guests * Brent Simmons of inessential.com * Dave Wiskus of Unprofessional and Better Elevation * John Gruber of Daring Fireball

Hosts * Guy English of Kickingbear * Rene Ritchie of iMore.com

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