Chris and David welcome guest John Athayde, who runs the branding and UX consultancy, Meticulous. They dive into John’s unusual path through the Rails world as a designer, front-end developer, consultant, author, and UX thinker. The conversation moves from early Rails history and The Rails View into a broader discussion about why designers need to understand implementation, how AI is changing product and UI work, where component-based design is headed, and why browser support is still one of the messiest parts of modern web development. Hit download now to hear more!

Links

• John Athayde Website
• John Athayde X
• John Athayde Bluesky
• Meticulous
• Build Software Like Pixar Makes Movies with John Athayde-The Swift Kick Show
• The Rails View: Create a Beautiful and Maintainable User Experience by Bruce Williams and John Athayde (O’Reilly)
• Quick ui.sh demo- Adam Wathan X
• This is the most user -unfriendly form UI- @tkm_hmng8 X
• Duck Hunt - Wes Bos X
• Rails World 2026-Austin, TX September 23-24

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