As the death toll in Gaza pushes past 10,000 this week, what will it take to end the conflict? Western powers have been advocating for a two-state solution; Israel for the Jewish people and Palestine for the Palestinian people.

In this episode of The Briefing, Tom Tilley is joined by Bob Bowker, a former Australian diplomat who was stationed in the Middle East for four decades, to break down what he thinks of a two-state solution, and how he thinks the war will play out.

Bob Bowker's book: Tomorrow there will be apricots: an Australian diplomat in the Arab world

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