In this episode Nick Franklin talks to our legal correspondent Mike Holland about plans for a new jail at Parramatta, which would have a capacity for 5000 beds by 2025, and will be privately run by a conglomeration of businesses including Serco, known for running prisons in America on a strictly business model. Nick and Mike discuss the rationale for this venture given that crimes statistics are plummeting and incarceration has roundly been criticised as a failure.

This episode was first broadcast on Radio Blue Mountains 89.1FM on 30/4/2021.

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