In this episode, Anna speaks with Patricia Kolbe, who has had her own  battle with debilitating chronic fatigue. Patricia is a coach on the Energy BluePrint Program (Ari Whitten) and the Gupta Program (Ashok Gupta).  

Patricia holds two master’s degrees and has completed five years of doctoral-level research training. She brings a fantastically wide set of skills, experience and knowledge to her work.  She has done biomedical research, studied Eastern approaches to mind-body healing and is a committed spiritual practitioner. 

In this lively conversation, Anna and Patricia explore various layers of healing from fatigue and distinguish between healing and recovery (an increasingly important theme in all of Anna's work). 

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