Matt Grisat has the rare combination of proven successes both as a competitor and coach in debate and individual events. As a competitor he was part of a team that won both AFA and NFA sweepstakes. As a coach/ DOF he has mentored students to become national champions in performance pieces, LD, and Parliamentary Debate among others. • In this episode, Robert and Matt discuss sacrifices for the team, moving from Toastmasters to forensics, and how much sweat a tournament can cause, literally.  Listen for free through Apple Podcasts, GooglePlay, Overcast, Podbean, Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts.