The New Evangelicals Podcast: Recent Episodes
Tim Whitaker
The New Evangelicals Podcast is here to push the Evangelical Church forward and to re-think how it approaches key cultural issues.
Dr. Daniel Hummel, scholar, minister and author of the new book, The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism: How the Evangelical Battle Over the End Times Shaped a Nation, sits down with Tim to discuss his book. Dr. Hummel gives his background and why he decided to write a book on Dispensationalism. Tim and Dr. Hummel discuss what Premillenial Dispensationalism is. They also discuss the history of the movement. Tim and Dr. Hummel discuss how influential Dispensationalism is in our current culture. Lastly, they discuss how conspiratorial thinking has woven together with modern day pop Dispensationalism.
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John Macarthur, Paul Washer, Matt Chandler, Voddie Baucham, Mark Driscoll before he became a MAGA Pentocostal salesman. These might be names you associate with the Reformed tradition. But what if there’s more to being Reformed than God predestining most people to Hell and some people to Heaven? Theologian W. Travis McMaken and Tripp Fuller join Tim to talk about why we shouldn’t throw Reformed theology out just yet.
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Dr. Andrew Whitehead, sociologist, scholar and author of the new book, American Idolatry: How Christian Nationalism Betrays the Gospel and Threatens the Church, sits down with Tim to discuss his book. Dr. Whitehead gives some background about himself and his research. He and Tim discuss the reason he wrote his new book about Christian Nationalism. Tim and Dr. Whitehead discuss different aspects of Christian Nationalism, like racism and the considerable amount of power white Evangelicals have, in the movement. They also discuss how a fringe movement can be so influential. Last, they address how to combat Christian Nationalism.
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Kaitlyn Schiess, theologian, cohost of Holy Post podcast and author of the new book, The Ballot and the Bible: How Scripture Has Been Used and Abused in American Politics and Where Do We Go From Here, sits down with Tim to discuss the book. Kaitlyn explains her background in Evangelism and how she eventually disentangled her faith. Tim and Kaitlyn discuss her book and why she decided to write it. They also discuss how the way we read the Bible creates the majority of our issues around politics . Lastly, Tim and Kaitlyn explore the path forward and how small changes can produce larger ones within Evangelism.
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TNE community member Alyssa cohosts today with Tim as they interview Andrew Seidel, attorney, activist and author of American Crusade: How the Supreme Court is Weaponizing Religious Freedom. Andrew explains his background as an attorney and activist for Freedom From Religion Foundation. Tim, Alyssa and Andrew talk about how the Supreme Court was weaponized by conservative justices to support religious right causes. They discuss specific cases that have been used by the court system to advance Christian Nationalist causes. Lastly, they discuss a path forward to fight Christian Nationalism.
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Tim Whitaker brings on his friend Billie Hoard to respond to a YouTube video of Christian Apologists Frank Turek and Melissa Dougherty talking about the danger of the “trans” agenda. This audio was pulled from our live YouTube Response to if you want to see the video check it out below!
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Carlos Whittaker, speaker, musician social media content creator and author of the new book, How to Human: Three Ways to Share Life Beyond What Distracts, Divides and Disconnects Us, sits down with Tim to discuss his new book. Carlos explains his background in Evangelism and how he came on staff at churches like North Point. Tim and Carlos discuss when he began to see racism in the white Evangelical churches he attended. Tim and Carlos discuss how he became a CCM artist, what made him leave and how his first speaking gig caused him to loose a third of his followers. Lastly, Tim and Carlos discuss how to help be both an advocate of marginalized communities but also change the minds of those who aren’t.
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Lenny Duncan, former pastor, scholar and author of the new book, Dear Revolutionaries: A Field Guide for a World Beyond the Church, sits down with Tim to discuss their new book. Lenny describes their background in Lutheranism and how they left their pastoral position. Tim and Lenny discuss how white progressive denominations failed marginalized communities especially during the pandemic. They also discuss the background of Martin Luther and how it’s not possible to separate the secular from the religious. Tim and Lenny lastly discuss Christian fascism in America and what Christians should do to combat this ideology.
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Tim and Tripp Visited Springfield Missouri in July to scope out the location for Theology Beer Camp. While there, they did a live podcast and drank beer.
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Dr. Scot McKnight, professor, theologian and author of the new book Revelation for the Rest of Us: A Prophetic Call to Follow Jesus as a Dissident Disciple, sits down with Tim to discuss his new book. Dr. McKnight explains his background in fundamental Evangelism. He also explains what caused him to deconstruct. Tim and Dr. McKnight discuss what prompted him to write about Revelation. They also discuss what surprised him in studying Revelation. Tim and Dr. McKnight discuss the problems with a literal reading of Revelation. Lastly, they discuss how Christian Nationalism aligns itself with the empire John criticizes instead of aligning with the Way of the Lamb.
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Dr. Mark Karris, therapist and author of the book The Diabolical Trinity: Healing Religious Trauma from a Wrathful God, Tormenting Hell, and a Sinful Self, sits down with Tim to discuss his book. Dr. Karris explains his background and how he ended up in the church. Tim and Dr. Karris discuss his reasons for writing the book and his own deconstruction. They also discuss the psychology of hell and a sinful self. Tim and Dr. Karris discuss religious trauma and how it isn’t widely understood. They also discuss ways to combat religious trauma’s effect on the nervous system. Lastly, Tim and Dr. Karris discuss resources for those wanting to gain tools to deal with their own religious trauma.
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Ally Henny, minister, podcast host and author of the new book, I Won’t Shut Up: Finding Your Voice When the World Tries to Silence You, sits down with Tim to discuss her book. Ally explains her background in black churches and her time in majority white Pentecostal churches. Tim and Ally discuss what the Episcopal denomination is. They also discuss what prompted Ally to write her book. Tim and Ally discuss the silencing of black women’s voices in white Evangelical spaces. Lastly, Ally gives a message to black women in majority white Evangelical spaces.
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Will Harrison, therapist and moderator for TNE’s private Facebook group, talks with Tim about ableism in the church. Will explains his background and disability and when he began to deconstruct. Will and Tim discuss how the Evangelical church addresses ableism and treats those with disabilities. They also define ableism and how it makes navigation of faith in Evangelism difficult. Lastly, Tim and Will discuss how TNE can better provide a safer space for those who have disabilities.
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In this episode Tim and Noah sit down to process their current thoughts on church....and maybe going back?
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Dr. Isaac Sharp, scholar on the history of Evangelicalism and author of the new book, The Other Evangelicals: A Story of Liberal, Black, Progressive, Feminist, and Gay Christians and The Movement That Pushed Them Out, sits down with Tim to discuss his book. Dr. Sharp explains his background in Evangelicalism and why he wrote his new book. Tim and Dr. Sharp discuss how Evangelicals are defined. They also discuss the history of Evangelicalism often left out of white conservative Evangelical narratives. Lastly, they discuss the power struggle within Evangelicalism for control of the definition of what it means to be Christian.
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Tim posted a clip of Pastor Mike Warlond that went viral so Tim invited Pastor Mike on to talk. They talk about the Bible and Bibliolatry, the history of White Evangelicalism in America and how to stay humble and accountable running a mega church in Harlem NYC.
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Dr. Sean McDowell, professor, apologist and podcast host sits down with Tim to discuss timely issues of doctrine and the faith. Dr. McDowell explains some of his background and how he became an apologist. Tim and Dr. McDowell discuss the primary doctrine needed for salvation. They also discuss the idea of objective truth in Christianity. Tim and Dr. McDowell discuss the mystery of the gospel and the apologetic industry. Lastly, the discuss sexual ethics role in salvation.
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Amanda Tyler, president of the Baptist Joint Committee, an organization committed to ensuring the religious freedom of ALL Americans shares her experience attending the far right Re-Awaken America tour. A tour that travels the country to wake patriots up to danger of the deep state and the plot to overthrow America's Christian heritage.
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Tamice Spenser, speaker, theologian and author of the book, Faith Unleavened: The Wilderness
Between Trayvon Martin and George Floyd, sits down with Tim to discuss her book. Tamice
explains her background in the black church and how she ended up at a white church. Tim and
Tamice discuss how white Jesus represented the system of whiteness in the church. Tim and Tamice discuss
the definition of whiteness. Lastly, they discuss how white Christians can become effective allies to black Americans.
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Dr. Constantine Campbell, New Testament scholar, documentary host and author of the book, Jesus v. Evangelicals: A Biblical Critique of a Wayward Movement, sits down with Tim to discuss his book. Dr. Campbell explains his background in Evangelicalism and how he decided to write a book about American Evangelism. Tim and Dr. Campbell discuss Christian Nationalism in Evangelicalism. They also discuss the causes for issues that have risen from celebrity pastors. Lastly, Tim and Dr. Campbell discuss the path forward for Evangelism to change.
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Have you seen the recent Hillsong documentary on FX The Secrets of Hillsong? Tim brings on Janice and Tiff who were both featured in the documentary to get their unfiltered thoughts about the documentary, what it did well, and where it missed the mark.
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Charlie Kirk, the founder of Turning Point USA and Turning Point Faith hosted over a thousand pastors in Nashville, Tennessee uniting them around "tyrannical" COVID restrictions and the belief that the Church is under attack in America. This event hosted dozens of speakers all reinforcing these beliefs. Tim Whitaker from the New Evangelicals attended the event to listen to what was said on stage and to talk to people. Here's the recap.
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Kristian A. Smith, online pastor, podcast host, social media content creator and author sits down with Tim to discuss his experience in the black church tradition. Kristian explains his background and what led him to deconstruct. Tim and Kristian discuss racism in both white and black churches. They also discuss decolonizing work that needs to be done in both white and black churches. Lastly, Tim and Kristian unpack privilege in both white and black churches.
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Joseph Yoo, pastor and author of the new book, When The Saints Come Flying In, sits down with Tim to discuss his book. Joseph explains his background. Tim and Joseph discuss how Joseph transitioned from being an ordained Methodist pastor to pastoring an Episcopal church. Tim and Joseph discuss the idea for his book. Lastly, Tim and Joseph discuss the issue of Christian Nationalism and how to resist it in a non-dehumanizing way.
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In this episode, Tim sits down with Jennifer Bird, PHD to discuss her research on the concept of marriage in the Bible. Dr. Bird explains how analyzing the genre and cultural context of the Bible challenges the validity of evangelical proof-texts for "biblical marriage" theology
Dr. Bird also discusses why the words "husband" and "wife" don't belong in our English translations of Genesis, and why the Biblical depiction of marriage is driven by ownership, rather than love.
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On this episode of the podcast Matt Matias owner of Memes4Jesus, one of the largest meme accounts on the internet comes on the podcast to talk about being a conservative christian but seeing the major rot in evangelical institutions. Matt and Tim talk about the world of memes, the recent meme wars and how Matt reconciles his traditional sexual ethic with his admission that the Church has caused great harm to the Queer community.
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Dr. Pete Enns, theologian, scholar, podcast host of The Bible for Normal People and Faith for Normal People, and author of his new book, Curveball: When Your Faith Takes Turns You Never Saw Coming or How I Stumbled and Tripped My Way Into Finding a Bigger God, sits down with Tim to discuss his book. Pete explains where the title of his book originated. Tim and Pete discuss different themes in the book like the various Biblical perspectives that contradict uniformity of theology, science and its intersection with theology, why understanding that the Bible isn't historical or scientific frees us to find new understanding of God and how quantum physics shows us the relational nature of all things and how God's energy subsists all things. Lastly, Tim and Pete discuss the afterlife.
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Josh Porter, musician, pastor and author of the new book Death to Deconstruction: Reclaiming Faithfulness as an Act of Rebellion, sits down with Tim to discuss his book. Josh explains his background in evangelicalism and now it led him to the music he was involved with for many years. Tim and Josh discuss what led him to write his book. They also discuss both the controversial and provocative aspects of the book. Lastly, Tim and Josh discuss where he is in the Christian tradition
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Author and activist Shane Claiborne joins Tim on the podcast to talk about Shane's newest book Rethinking Life and about their recent trip to Nashville, TN to protest for gun legislation
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Heather Hamilton, social media content creator and author of the new book, Returning To Eden, sits down with Tim to discuss her book. Heather explains her background. Tim and Heather discuss what prompted her to write the book. Tim and Heather discuss what authenticity means to her and how self discovery helps to reconcile the authentic self with conflict. Heather and Tim discuss how her time in evangelical spaces shaped her experiences. Lastly, Tim and Heather discuss Biblical allegory and how it can impact her readers.
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Dr. Thomas Jay Oord, scholar and author of the books, God Can't: How to Believe in God After Abuse, Tragedy and Other Evils, and Open and Relational Theology, sits down with Tim to discuss Open and Relational Theology. Dr. Oord explains his background in Evangelism. Tim and Dr. Oord discuss Open Theology. Tim and Dr. Oord discuss, the power of God, defining the love of God, and explaining God's relationship to evil. Lastly, Tim and Dr. Oord discuss God's desires.
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Dr. Bart Ehrman, scholar, professor, social media content creator, and author or the new book Armageddon: What the Bible Really Says About the End, sits down with Tim to discuss his book. Dr. Ehrman explains his background in Christianity and his departure from it. Tim and Dr. Ehrman discuss the reason for the new book's subject matter. Tim and Dr. Ehrman discuss what type of Biblical literature Revelation is and what apocalyptic literature is. Dr. Ehrman explains the controversies in the book of Revelation and why they are important. Lastly, Tim and Dr. Ehrman discuss how the way Revelation is read can be problematic theologically.
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On this special episode Tripp Fuller and Tim respond to a podcast episode between Jonny Root (Turning Point Faith) and Virgil Walker (G3 Ministries) discussing if you can be a democrat and be a christian.
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Jessica Willis Fisher, musician, former reality television star and author of the book Unspeakable: Surviving My Childhood and Finding My Voice, sits down with Tim to discuss her book. Jessica explains her background on reality television and as an entertainer. Jessica and Tim discuss what was happening inside her family growing up. They also discuss how the abuse she experienced was allowed to continue because of the theology she was taught. Lastly, Tim and Jessica discuss how she is processing her experiences and what she believes now.
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Josh Sherif, pastor and author, and Sarah Tierney, author and mental health therapist, sit down with Tim to discuss their book, The Stranger at our Shore: How Immigrants and Refugees Strengthen the Church. Josh and Sarah both explain their backgrounds: Josh as an Egyptian immigrant and Sarah as the daughter of missionaries. Tim, Sarah and Josh discuss the premise behind their book. Tim and Josh discuss his story as an immigrant in the Evangelical church. Tim, Sarah and Josh discuss how politics has a bigger impact on the church than Jesus. Lastly, they discuss how to talk with conservative Evangelicals about scriptural treatment of immigrants.
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Billie and Paul Hoard, authors of Eucontamination: A Christian Study in the Logic of Disgust and Contamination sit down with Tim to discuss their journal article. Billie and Paul summarize their background and how that led them to research disgust and write their article. Tim, Billie and Paul discuss what disgust is and how it is emotionalized. Tim, Billie and Paul discuss how disgust became a part of purity culture. They also discuss how the church and far right media weaponize disgust against the LGBTQIA+ community. Lastly, they discuss how to deal with the disgust the church uses against the LGBTQIA+ community.
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Dr. Anthea Butler, professor and author of the book, White Evangelical Racism: The Politics of Morality in America, sits down with Tim to discuss the book. Dr. Butler explains some of her background and how she became a historian. Tim and Dr. Butler discuss how her book came about. Tim and Dr. Butler discuss the dynamics of white Evangelicalism with far right groups. They also discuss how to resist the Christian Nationalism coming from white Evangelical spaces. Lastly, Tim and Dr. Butler discuss the Eagles.
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In this episode, Tim sits down with Kate Boyd, author of the book An Untidy Faith: Journeying Back to the Joy of Following Jesus to discuss her experience disentangling her faith from cultural American evangelicalism. Kate shares her perspective on what it means to create emotionally healthy church communities outside of the Evangelical consumer-driven model, and how she has come to embrace an often complicated and messy faith along the journey of following Jesus. Tim and Kate discuss how they are navigating what it means to love your neighbor and not dehumanize, while living in an increasingly polarizing world.
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Authors of the Great Sex Rescue and mother daughter duo, Scheila Gregoir and Rebecca Lindenbach come on the show for an emergency episode to talk about the Gospel Coalition's recent piece titled Sex Won't Save You (But It Points to the One Who Will) By Josh Butler. This episode does contain sexually explicit language but is an important dialogue about the penis centered sexual ethic many in the Evangelical culture have.
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In this episode, Tim sits down with Bradley Onishi from Straight White American Jesus, talking about the Asbury Revival from an academic perspective, with scholar of history Leah Payne, and scholar of religion Matthew Taylor.
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Katherine Stewart, journalist and author of the book, Power Worshippers, sits down with Tim to discuss Christian Nationalism and Good News Clubs in public schools. Katherine Stewart explains her background and why she began investigating Good News Clubs (part of Child Evangelism). Tim and Katherine talk about what she found in her investigation about the Good News Clubs getting permission to be in public schools and what happened when there was push back by certain schools. Tim and Katherine then discuss how parents were tricked into sending their kids to Good News Clubs and how this ties into the Christian Nationalist agenda. Lastly, what can people do to combat Christian Nationalism?
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In this episode, Tim sits down with renowned historical scholar John Dominic Crossan to discuss the historical Jesus, and how the ongoing revelations of historical critical research and science are essentially interconnected with the art of theology. Dom offers his perspective on how proximity to empire has influenced the trajectory of Christian doctrine, and how he understands the meaning of Jesus' life, ministry, and death. Dom also introduces his perspective on Jesus' resurrection, and why he believes his perspective is more faithful to the early Christian tradition. Dom frames his view on resurrection with the provocative statement: metaphor creates reality.
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Jess Herberger, a social media content creator, intersection of history and the Bible teacher and the author of her latest book, Life Surrendered, sits down with Tim to discuss her book, and online community: The Table. Jess explains her background and how she came to both study and teach the bible in the spaces where she is now. Tim and Jess discuss her online community and how she approaches the bible. Tim and Jess discuss how to deal with more conservative Evangelicals and the bible. Lastly, Tim and Jess discuss how those deconstructing can cultivate community.
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Diana Butler Bass and Tripp Fuller join Tim to talk about their upcoming class Empty Altars: American Saints in a Cynical Age aimed at exploring the season of Lent. Why does lent matter? What do you do with the Church calendar as an evangelical who was never exposed to it? How does death play a role in lent? Tim, Diana and Tripp dive headfirst into these and more
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Dr. Matthew Taylor, professor and author, sits down with Tim to discuss the New Apostolic Reformation and its ties to Christian Nationalism. Dr. Taylor explains his background in Evangelism and his education. Tim and Dr. Taylor explain what the New Apostolic Reformation is. Dr. Taylor and Tim discuss those prominent figures in Christian Nationalism and their intersection with NAR. Dr. Taylor and Tim discuss the theology of NAR and why it's created so much interest in Christian Nationalism. Lastly, Tim and Dr. Taylor break down the differences between Christian nation supporters and Christian Supremacy.
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In this episode, Tim interviews Sarah Billups to discuss her book: Orphaned Believers: How a Generation of Christian Exiles Can Find Their Way Home. Sarah shares her story of leaving consumerist evangelical culture behind, to rediscover Jesus and faith based community.
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Cynthia Vacca Davis, professor, social media content creator and author of the book Intersexion, sits down with Tim to discuss the book. Cynthia explains her background in Christian spaces. Tim and Cynthia discuss how she met the person who was the inspiration for the book. Tim and Cynthia explain her struggle at a Christian University as an LGBTQIA affirming professor. Lastly, Cynthia explains where she is now and how she's found the community she has.
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Brandi Miller, director of social justice at InterVarsity, op-ed writer for the Huffington Post, and podcast creator for "Reclaiming My Theology", sits down with Tim to discuss her journey. Brandi explains some of her background. Tim and Brandi discuss her conversion to Christianity and her deconstruction journey. Tim and Brandi discuss what she's doing now. Lastly, Tim and Brandi examine how conservative media influenced Conservative Evangelicals and how white supremacy underlies that journey.
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Bekah McNeel, journalist and author of the book Bringing Up Kids When Church Lets You Down, sits down with Tim to discuss parenting in deconstruction. Bekah gives some of her background in Evangelism. Tim and Bekah discuss how to talk to children about death. They also discuss how to talk to kids about God. Bekah and Tim discuss wise parenting versus power or control parenting. Lastly, they discuss how to talk to your children about sex.
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What the hell happened in Brazil on Sunday January 8th 2023 and why did it look like the Jan 6th Insurrection in 2021? Tim sits down with Joao Chaves who is a professor of Theology and author of The Global Mission of the Jim Crow South: Southern Baptist Missions and the Shaping of Latin American Evangelicalism to answer that question and more.
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Keith Giles, former pastor and author of his new book, Sola Mysterium, sits down with Tim to discuss his book. Keith explains his background and how he left the SBC. Tim and Keith discuss how he became a writer and his path towards the view of Universal Reconciliation. Keith and Tim discuss the verses where Jesus talks about what Evangelism believes is “hell” . Keith and Tim next debate Universal Reconciliation and Annihilation. Lastly, Tim and Keith discuss the cultural aspects of why Universal Reconciliation is difficult to fathom in American cultural understanding of justice.
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On this episode Tim shares his interview with Leah Robertson and Diana Butler Bass that took place during Theology Beer Camp in October.
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Dr. Brad Onishi, associate professor, scholar, co-host of the Straight White American Jesus podcast and author of the new book Preparing for War: The Extremist History of White Christian Nationalism- and What Comes Next, sits down with Tim to discuss his book.
Brad explains his background and how he came to write the book. Tim and Brad discuss what prompted him to write his new book. Tim and Brad discuss the evolution of Christian Nationalism. Lastly, Tim and Brad discuss where to go from the current climate of Christian Nationalism to addressing Evangelicals in a non-dehumanizing way.
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In this episode Tim and Noah sit down to discuss some of the major events TNE covered in 2022, celebrate the ways the community continues to hold space for those navigating their own faith journeys, and share how the year is shaping TNE's focus for 2023.
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On this episode Tim sits down with Dan Catchpole for a full debrief of Tim’s experience of America Fest which is a massive Christian Nationalist event with over 10,000 people including prominent political and faith leaders
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Dr. Angela Parker, seminary professor, Womanist theologian and author, sits down with Tim to discuss a Womanist Theological interpretation of the Christmas Story. Dr. Parker explains her background. Tim and Dr. Parker talk about the theology of Christmas and the four women mentioned in Jesus' genealogy. Tim and Dr. Parker discuss the difference between the exalted Christ in white theology and the humanity of Christ in Womanist Theology. Lastly, Tim and Dr. Parker discuss hope in the Christmas Story from a Womanist perspective.
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Katelynn Beaty, journalist, editor and author of the book Celebrities For Jesus: How Personas, Platforms and Profits are Hurting the Church, sits down with Tim to discuss her book. Katelynn explains her background in Evangelicalism. Tim and Katelynn discuss her book and how celebrity pastors have become such a part of Evangelical culture. They discuss how celebrity pastors are created and how the book publishing industry is complicit. Lastly, they discuss prevention of the scandals we have seen in recent years.
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A few months ago, Tim asked journalist Dan Catchpole to do a deep dive on Doug Wilson for an upcoming podcast episode and to educate the TNE community on who Doug is and why we believe his christianity should be resisted.
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On this special episode, Tim brought on Jay and Johnna from the Bodies Behind the Bus podcast to talk about Matt Chandler's return to ministry and why they are concerned about the lack of transparency from the Village Church.
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Dr. Jonathan Foster, podcast host, theologian and author of the new book, Consent Theology, sits down with Tim to discuss his book. Jonathan explains his background and what led him to change his beliefs. Tim and Jonathan discuss Mimetic Theory and what led him to merge it with Open and Relational Theology. They discuss how Jonathan sees God now. Lastly, they discuss how to help the audience approach this different way of viewing God.
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In this episode Tim and Noah sit down to discuss Donald Trump's recent engagement with Nick Fuentes, and why the failure of Evangelical thought leaders to condemn the situation matters. Tim and Noah also discuss a trending clip of pastor Tim Ross sharing his opinion on "deconstructionists".
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Coach Yeamah Logan, social media content creator, sexuality coach and author of the book, Heal Fear and Shame About Your Sexual Orientation, sits down with Tim to discuss her profession and her faith. Coach Yeamah explains her background and what led her to pursue a career in coaching sexuality or sexual orientation. Tim and Coach Yeamah discuss her faith and the impact it had on her eventual coming out. They also discuss the common reasons why people seek out her services. Lastly, Tim and Yeamah discuss the Club Q shooting and how those becoming affirming can advocate for the queer community.
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Patrick Miller, pastor, social media content creator and author of the book Truth Over Tribe: Pledging Allegiance to the Lamb not the Donkey or the Elephant, sits down with Tim to discuss the book. Patrick explains his background and how he got the idea for the book. Tim and Patrick discuss understanding the difference between what is required by faith in Jesus and the idea of Christian Nationalism. Tim and Patrick discuss how populism works within politics. They also discuss what tribalism means and why our brains are wired to be tribal. Lastly, Tim and Patrick discuss how to approach Christian Nationalists and how we should approach politics as Jesus followers.
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J.S. Park, former pastor, hospital chaplain, social media content creator and author, sits down with Tim to discuss his work as a hospital chaplain. Joon explains his background and how he became a hospital chaplain. Tim and Joon discuss how difficult it was to be a hospital chaplain in Florida during Covid. Tim and Joon discuss how being both with interfaith chaplains impacted him during this time. They also discuss the harmful things pastors say to those in traumatic situations. Lastly, Tim and Joon discuss how Western society doesn't handle death well.
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Documentary Filmmaker Bill Corben joins Tim on the show to talk about his new film, God Forbid which documents the Falwell's sex scandal and their insatiable quest for power all in the name of God and family values.
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Rabbi Michael Harvey, social media content creator and author of the book Let's Talk: A Rabbi Speaks to Christians, sits down with Tim to discuss his book. Rabbi Mike explains his background and why he wrote the book. Tim and Rabbi Mike discuss Judaism as an ethno-religion. Tim and Rabbi Mike discuss the different sects in Judaism. Tim and Rabbi Mike break down Anti-Jewish ideas in the NT and discuss the rise in Anti-Semiticism in America. Lastly, Rabbi Mike gives some advice to Christians about understanding Judaism.
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Tim, Riley, and Noah discuss some recent trending tweets from Christian Nationalists on Twitter.
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Dr. Angela Denker, journalist, minister and author of the book Red State Christians: A Journey Through Christian Nationalism and the Wreckage It Leaves Behind, sits down with Tim to discuss the research from her updated book. Angela explains her background and how she went from a Sports Reporter, to a Lutheran minister, to author. Tim and Angela discuss her book and how she defines Christian Nationalism. Tim and Angela discuss what she means by the wreckage that Christian Nationalism left behind. Lastly, Tim and Angela discuss how to address Christian Nationalism.
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In this episode Tim interviews Stephen Backhouse from Tent Theology. Stephen explains how Kierkegaard encourages us to look for Christ in the marginalized people of society, and why Christian Nationalism trades allegiance to Jesus for allegiance to violence and empire. Stephen also discusses the Anabaptist tradition and Christian Anarchy.
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Tim and Noah sit down with Mason Mennenga from "A People's Theology" to discuss their thoughts on Tripp Fuller's Theology Beer Camp.
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Tim and Noah recap the first day of Theology Beer Camp and how the experience is affecting them.
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It's the night before beer-camp. Noah and Tim share their first thoughts about Tripp Fuller's Theology Beer Camp God-Pod Edition, before their flight to NC.
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Julie Ingersoll, professor and author of the book, Building God's Kingdom: Inside the World Of Christian Reconstructionism, sits down with Tim to discuss Christian Reconstructionism. Julie shares some of her background and how she came to study and write about Christian Reconstructionism. Tim and Julie discuss what Christian Reconstructionism is. Tim and Julie discuss the founder of Christian Reconstruction, R.J. Rushdoony. They also discuss how Christian Reconstructionism has gone mainstream with people who are CR adjacent like Betsy DeVos, Charlie Kirk, David Barton, Voddie Bauchem and Doug Wilson. Lasty, Tim and Julie discuss if Christian Reconstructionism can be resisted.
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Pastor David Griffin used a TNE Tik Tok video in a sermon to warn of the problems of deconstruction. So Tim invited David on the show to have a good faith dialogue to talk about our differences.
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Derek Webb, singer-songwriter and member of Caedmon's Call, sits down with Tim to discuss his journey from Caedmon's Call to a solo career as a deconstructed Christian. Derek explains a little bit about his background and how he became a part of Caedmon's Call. Tim and Derek discuss how Derek became hardcore Calvinist during his tenure at Caedmon's Call. Tim and Derek discuss how both his departure from Caedmon's Call and his deconstruction began. Lastly, Tim and Derek discuss his current beliefs.
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Tim and Noah sit down to discuss how they view theology as an art form, and what it looks like to put their beliefs in perspective of the larger christian tradition. They also analyze the results of the 2022 "State of Theology" study from Ligonier Ministries and LifeWay Research and discuss how the study reflects current trends in evangelical culture.
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Denzel Burnside III, minister, activist, and social media content creator, sits down with Tim to discuss Christian Environmentalism and how industries can impact not just the environment but the communities they operate in. Denzel explains his background growing up in Miami, Florida and how he ended up in North Carolina. Tim and Denzel discuss Denzel's time working with Democratic campaigns and why he left that to pursue activism. Tim and Denzel discuss his work with the Dogwood Alliance and what they do. Lastly, Tim and Denzel discuss how his faith impacts the work that he does now.
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Pete Enns, social media content creator, podcast host and professor, sits down with Tim to discuss theology and processing current Evangelical messaging. Tim and Pete discuss how to view the Bible post deconstruction. Pete explains his background. Tim and Pete discuss Evangelical culture and theology and how it developed intellectually. Lastly, Tim and Pete discuss the intellectual and faith development of the Biblical writers.
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In this episode Tim and Noah reflect on the question: "how do we effectively critique harmful ideologies in a non-dehumanizing manner, and what does it look like to use that critique as an opportunity for invitation into greater human flourishing?"
Tim shares how these questions affect the type of content that The New Evangelicals continues to produce, and what it looks like to uphold TNE's values as the community continues to stand up against harmful theology and oppression.
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Dan Koch, musician and podcast content creator, sits down with Tim to talk about his latest venture getting his doctorate in Psychology with an emphasis on spiritual abuse. Dan explains his background and how he decided to study psychology. Dan and Tim discuss his series on The Dangers of Progressive Christianity to show how conversations about this topic with right of center guests can be persuasive with those not on the radicalized right. Tim and Dan also discuss what fundamentalism is and how it affects discussions about politics and religion. Lastly, Tim and Dan discuss how social media platforms can have a positive effect on both the right, left, and conservative and progressive Christianity.
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Tim sits down with Adam Clark and Tripp Fuller to discuss a recent post from the Center for Biblical Unity claiming that black liberation theology is a false gospel. Adam Clark was mentored by James Cone, the father of black liberation theology, and is an expert on the subject; so Tim, Adam, and Tripp discuss wether or not the post is accurate.
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Tim Whitaker explains recent changes and updates in the latest podcast. Tim thanks listeners and supporters of TNE. There are some new announcements. Tim explains what's going to be changing about the podcast going forward. Lastly, Tim thanks donors for their generosity and their outpouring for support for the social media platforms, the podcast and Tim to be able to do TNE full time.
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Tim and Noah discuss President Biden's recent speech at Independence Hall, Doug Mastriano, and Bobbie Houston's new fashion line.
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Recently Matt Chandler stepped down from leadership at the village church for inappropriately DM'ing a woman through his instagram account. But this story is strange and has a lot of red flags so Tim brought on Johnna and Jay from the Bodies Behind the Bus Podcast to get their perspective on the situation.
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Damon Garcia, minister, social media content creator, artist and author of the new book The God Who Riots:Taking Back the Radical Jesus, sits down with Tim to discuss his new book. Damon explains his background in Evangelical culture and what led him to ultimately leave Evangelicalism. Tim and Damon discuss both the theological and political reasons for his deconstruction. Tim and Damon discuss his reasons for writing the book and what the terms abolitionist and radical mean to him. Lastly, Tim and Damon discuss the best way forward for the church, specifically those who are deconstructing.
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In this episode Tim is joined by Riley Martinez to respond to a video of Samuel Deuth, pastor of Awaken Church calling out The New Evangelicals.
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Aaron Gillespie, songwriter, producer and drummer for Underoath sits down with Tim to talk about music and deconstruction. Aaron explains his background. Aaron and Tim discuss his current projects and his writing process. Aaron explains how he deconstructed and how it led him to being more authentic in his music. Tim and Aaron discuss how Underoath left the Evangelical music space to become more transparent about who they were as individuals. Lastly, Tim and Aaron talk all things drums.
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Tim is joined by Matthew Body, Riley Martinez and Dan Catchpole to talk about Charlie Kirk’s meteoric rise as a leader in Christian Nationalism and what his recent pastor’s summit means for white evangelicalism.
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Rohadi Nagassar, speaker, podcast host and author of the book When We Belong: Reclaiming Christianity on the Margins sits down with Tim to discuss his new book. Rohadi explains his background and what led him to write his new book. Tim and Rohadi discuss the idea of discipleship the church has neglected. They expound upon the idea of community and how that looks in the twenty-first century. Lastly they explore the impact of Christian Nationalism on the church and in both the U.S. and Canada.
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In this episode Tim and Noah sit down to discuss Mark Driscoll memes, the apologetics of Alisa Childers and Frank Turek, and how Quantum Physics may help us imagine a relational, unfolding view of God.
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Dr. Dan McClellan, social media content creator, translator of LDS material and author of his new book Deity and Divine Agency in the Hebrew Bible, sits down with Tim to discuss issues related to how modern Christianity interprets ancient Hebrew texts. Dan explains his background and how he studies Cognitive Linguistics and Cognitive Religion. Tim and Dan discuss the different interpretations of God through the ages. Tim and Dan discuss if religion as modernity interprets it existed among the writers of the Hebrew Bible. Lastly, Tim and Dan discuss how language in both ancient texts and modern day usage differ especially in dealing with translation.
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Samuel Perry, University of Oklahoma professor, author and social media content creator sits down with Tim to discuss his data concerning Christian Nationalism. Samuel Perry explains his new data concerning the breakdown of Christian Nationalism. Tim and Samuel discuss the definitions of those terms, Ambassador, Accommodator, Rejector and Resister. Tim and Samuel also discuss if those on the Ambassador side of Christian Nationalism are going further to the Right or not. Lastly, Tim and Samuel discuss some of the books which explore the polarization of Americans.
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Dr. David Morris, publisher, psychologist and author of the book Lost Faith and Wandering Souls: A Psychology of Disillusionment, Mourning and the Return of Hope, sits down with Tim to discuss the psychological reasons for and the impact of deconstruction. David explains his background and what led him to become a publisher who focuses on the deconstruction phenomenon. Tim and David discuss what ingredients psychologically lead people to deconstruct. Tim and David discuss the lack of community and how that driving need often leads to deconstruction. Lastly, Tim and David discuss what hope means in the deconstruction process.
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In this episode Tim and Riley finish up their response to Allie Stuckey's podcast episode #360 where she brought on "reporter" Julie Kelly to discuss the Jan 6th insurrection and who was really at fault.
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Jared Stacy, former pastor and current researcher of conspiracy theories and how they intersect with Evangelicalism, sits down with Tim to discuss his research. Jared explains his background in Southern Evangelical spaces and his eventual move from pastoral work to getting a PhD in conspiracy theories. Tim and Jared discuss the three ways a conspiracy theory is defined. They also discuss how there is overlap between Qnon conspiracy theories and Evangelical theology. Lastly, Tim and Jared discuss how to approach people who believe in conspiracy theories.
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In this episode Tim and Noah sit down to discuss the concept of American patriotism, and the pursuit of "liberty and justice for all".
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Dan Minor, pastor of Harvest Church in Sarasota, FL, sits down with Tim to discuss being an LGBTQIA affirming, community-loving Evangelical church amongst Theocon churches. Pastor Dan explains his background in the Pentecostal church. Tim and Pastor Dan discus Harvest Church's LGBTQIA affirming status and the fall out from that decision. Lastly, Tim and Pastor Dan discuss the role of politics in the church and how the Christian influence should be loving your neighbor.
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Trey Pearson, former frontman for the Christian rock band Everyday Sunday, solo artist, and LGBTQIA activist, sits down with Tim to discuss Trey's coming out story. Trey explains his background in the conservative Evangelical church and how he became involved with the band Everyday Sunday. Tim and Trey discuss Trey's coming out story and what he lost as a result of his admission he was gay. Trey discusses his LGBTQIA activism. Lastly, Tim and Trey discuss music, Trey's new album, Somebody You Know, and Trey's recording process.
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Tim and Noah share a conversation about Tim's Ex......worship leader, accountability for harm in religious spaces, and how the evangelical church continues to prop up christian nationalism.
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On this episode Tim sits down with the leader of American's United, Rachel Laser, to discuss two recent landmark Supreme Court rulings that have major implications that affect us now and in the future.
Rachel and her team represented Bremerton School District in the recent SCOTUS case Kennedy Vs Bremerton School District. In this case a high school football coach was praying with students at the 50 yard line after games and the school said he couldn't do that while coaching. He refused to comply, was placed on paid leave and then chose not to renew his contract. He sued in lower courts and lost. A powerful shadow network of conservative evangelicals funded the case up to the SCOTUS where they ruled in the coach's favor.
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Sheila and Keith Gregoire, authors, social media content creators and podcast hosts sit down with Tim to discuss their new books The Good Guys Guide to Great Sex and the updated version of The Good Girls Guide to Great Sex. Keith Gregoire explains some background of his experience in the Evangelical church and how he came to write a book with his wife Sheila. Tim, Keith and Sheila discuss their research into how both men and women's theological/practical views of marriage can impact their marriage satisfaction. They also discuss how gender stereotypes set forth in churches and in Christian marriage books have hurt marriages. Lastly, they discuss the difference between intimacy and sex and how women's pleasure is often neglected because of the ignorance about this difference.
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On this episode of the podcast Tim and Riley respond to an Allie Stuckey podcast discussing how the Jan 6th insurrection was overblown, how the police incited the majority of the violence and how the suspects arrested a political prisoners.
CORRECTION: When Allie says that there were grandmothers in the capitol with an American flag on Jan 6th we asked for proof. We have a found a picture of an older woman holding an American flag in the capitol. We could not confirm if she was a grandmother.
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BLM protest Data - https://acleddata.com/2021/05/25/a-year-of-racial-justice-protests-key-trends-in-demonstrations-supporting-the-blm-movement/
Couy Griffin - https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/21/politics/couy-griffin-trial-january-6/index.html
Capitol Police theory - https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-235651652542
Ray Epps - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/05/us/jan-6-ray-epps-evidence.html
Ryan Samsel - https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/01/us/capitol-riot-man-charged-officer-concussion-trnd/index.html
FBI Informants theory - https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/25/us/politics/capitol-riot-fbi-informant.html
Washington Post database - https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/
Lafayette Square report - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/doj-reaches-settlement-2020-cases-involving-lafayette-square-protester-rcna24325
Jan 6th Jail info - https://www.washingtonian.com/2022/01/05/the-january-sixers-have-their-own-unit-at-the-dc-jail-heres-what-life-is-like-inside/
Elizabeth Warren’s stamens on Solitary confinement -https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/19/capitol-riot-defendants-warren-483125
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Flamy Grant joins Tim on the show to explain what it means to be a drag queen and if drag shows are attempting to "groom" children
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Malynda Hale, musician, actress, entrepreneur, host of social media content and social justice activist, sits down with Tim to discuss being a black woman in America. Malynda explains her background and how she came to attend a white Evangelical college in California. Tim and Malynda discuss being a black woman in a white Evangelical college. Tim and Malynda discuss music and how that led her to her social justice activism. Lastly, Tim and Malynda discuss black women and their plight within the medical community, navigating child care and the negative stereotyping that white Evangelicals paint of black women in America and maternity.
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Recapping the first Jan 6th committee hearing and how the committee failed to address one of the primary fuel sources of the insurrection and the Trump fanaticism that so many of us saw through his presidency.
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In this bonus episode, Tim and Noah discuss Texas' new bill banning children from drag shows, how christian nationalism relies on religious privilege and rejects religious freedom for all, the recent SBC abuse scandals, and Turning Point USA's new school curriculum. They also address the particular dangers of political fundamentalism when it is explicitly linked to religious identity and hero worship.
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On this episode of the podcast Tim has a discussion with Tripp Fuller unpacking what Process Theology is. This is a two part conversation with the first half on The New Evangelical’s podcast and the second half on Tripp’s podcast, Home-brewed Christianity.
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On this episode of the podcast Preston Sprinkle joins Tim to talk about the different ways Christianity has understood Hell and offers a view of Hell outside of the typical view of eternal conscious torment. Preston is an author and scholar who has done immense research on the topic so this is a highly informative episode.
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If you have friends or family who are willing to listen to other perspectives when it comes to constitutional law and how we protect religious freedom for ALL then this is the podcast for you.
Andrew Seidel is a constitutional lawyer who actively works with groups defending the first amendment. Andrew unpacks how the first amendment works, why it's so important and how Christian Nationalism is one of the greatest threats undermining what it's designed to do. Tim asks Andrew if America is a Christian nation and why doesn't the phrase 'separation of church and state' doesn't exist in the constitution and why it's not a problem
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Dr. Angela Parker, professor, social media content creator and author of the book, If God Still Breathes Why Can't I? Black Lives Matter and Biblical Authority, sits down with Tim to discuss Womanist theology in White Evangelical dominant spaces. Dr. Angela Parker discusses her background as a professor of NT studies at Mercer University. Tim and Dr. Parker discuss the differences between White Theo Bros and Black Women Theologians especially in terms of theology and biblical cultural bias. Lastly, Tim and Dr. Parker discuss the future of the Evangelical church in light of Christian Nationalism having such a foothold in White Evangelical churches.
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Brandan Roberts, social media content creator and author of the new book Fill to Be Empty, sits down with Tim to discuss his life and definition of inclusive Christianity. Brandan explains his background growing up in a fundamentalist Baptist church. Tim and Brandan discuss the mass exodus of Christians from the AEC. Tim and Brandan discuss what orthodoxy means and where it came from. Tim and Brandan discuss the complexity of the Bible and how the AEC has elevated it as equal to God. Lastly, Tim and Brandan discuss where the AEC is likely headed.
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April Ajoy, social media content creator, podcast presenter and film project creator for Evangelicalish, sits down with Tim to discuss her own deconstruction story and how she began her parody skits on Tik Tok. April explains her background and what led her to deconstruct her faith. She and Tim discuss how the political climate of 2016 led them both to question the church's promotion of Trumpism. They both also discuss how social media has allowed them to find connection with other people who were also deconstructing. Lastly, April explains what's coming in the future for Evangelicalish.
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Tim and Noah hop on for a bonus episode to talk about the systematic issues the white evangelical church is facing and if the institutions are worth saving. They talk about Allie Stuckey's response to John MacArthur, the upcoming THEOS U conference with Matt Chandler and Mark Driscoll, and why white evangelicals refuse to hold their own accountable.
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Lisa Aaron Harper, author of the new book Fortune: How Race Broke My Family and The World, sits down with Tim to discuss her book and the future of Evangelicalism. Lisa explains how the investigation of her genealogy was the catalyst for her new book. Tim and Lisa discuss the difference between the individualism within white culture that removes the person from their ancestors' national, cultural and linguistic identity and other ethnic cultures who see their connection to their ancestors' national, cultural and linguistic identity. Tim and Lisa discuss the past and present of Evangelicalism in America. Lastly, Tim and Lisa discuss the current conservative SCOTUS court and how the implications for black and brown people could erase decades of advances in racial equality.
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Dr. Kristin Du Mez, historian and author of the book Jesus and John Wayne, sits down with Tim to discuss the book and current White Conservative Evangelicalism. Kristin explains her background and her work as a historian. Kristin and Tim discuss the difference between her work as a historian and those of theologians in defining what an Evangelical is. Tim and Kristin discuss her book and the implications of it. Lastly, Kristin explains what she means by Calvinism and the Reformed tradition.
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Tim Whitaker and Noah Althoff from TNE sit down to discuss topics happening in the Christian community. Noah and Tim discuss the role of certainty in Christian theological traditions and how that impacts the average Christian within those faith communities. Tim and Noah discuss the latest Red Pen critique that used a clip from Tim about a Biblical sexual ethic and the lack of humility this particular content creator showed by failing to admit the glaring differences between sexual ethics accepted in Biblical eras compared to now. Lastly, Tim and Noah discuss the latest story by Julie Roys about a faculty member of John MacArthur's Master's College who advocates for abused women to suffer abuse like a missionary suffers persecution.
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Dante Stewart, theologian, pastor, and author of the new book Shoutin' in the Fire: An American Epistle, sits down with Tim to discuss his book and his time in white Evangelical churches. Dante and Tim discuss the reason why Dante wrote his new book. Dante talks about the relationships that led him back to the black church and the black theologist and literalist tradition. Dante and Tim discuss what happened that caused Dante to leave the white Evangelical church he was at. Tim and Dante talk about the assimilation process through ideology that white Evangelical churches employ. Lastly, Dante explains that change is reorienting oneself toward bettering humanity and not just final solutions to complex problems like race.
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Dr. Adam Clark, Xavier University professor, former co-chair of Black Theology Group at the American Academy of Religion, author and podcast creator, sits down with Tim to discuss James Cone and black liberation theology. Dr. Clark gives his education and personal background and how he came to study theology under James Cone. Tim and Dr. Clark discuss what liberation theology is and its definition of freedom. Tim and Dr. Clark also discuss James Cone and Martin Luther King Jr. and what their contributions were to the formation of the black liberation movement. Tim and Dr. Clark discuss the difference in what the Biblical idea of redemptive violence is and how white Evangelism discredits it. Lastly, Tim and Dr. Clark discuss what white allies can do to bring about the change that needs to happen in order for justice and equity for POC to exist.
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Thomas Millay, professor, pastor and author of the new book Kierkegaard and the New Nationalism, sits down with Tim to discuss how Kierkegaard's view of Nationalism intersects with how Nationalism affects us currently. Thomas explains his background and what prompted his new book. Tim and Thomas discuss the definition of Nationalism and the understanding of how that defines Christian Nationalism. Thomas explains how Soren Kierkegaard lived out the practical aspects of Christianity in light of how Nationalism impacted those in society and around the world. Tim and Thomas look at Kierkegaard, John Locke and James Cone in their understanding of nationalism and spirituality. Lastly, Tim and Thomas discuss forethought in how individuals live their lives understanding the impact of their choices on others.
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Mako Nagasawa, advocate for restorative justice and intentional Christian community living, sits down with Tim and talks about what restorative justice looks like from the gospel examples. Mako explains his background and how he eventually got into ministry. Mako and Tim discuss how he began to investigate restorative justice and healing atonement theory. Mako and Tim discuss how intentional Christian community seeks to create multigenerational affordable housing in Boston. Lastly, Tim and Mako discuss how Christians can become a part of this movement.
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This is a recording taken from our theology 101 zoom group that meets on the first Monday of the month.
In this session Jason Lowe breaks down where we get our modern view inerrancy from and how it might not be as "historical" as you thought.
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Justin Oberste, licensed sex therapist, sits down with Tim to discuss his particular field but also how therapy in general can aid the deconstructionist community. Justin gives some of his background in Evangelical spaces. Tim and Justin discuss the evolution of Justin’s coming out. Tim and Justin discuss the benefits and drawbacks of therapy in the deconstruction community. Lastly, Justin explains the difference between a licensed therapist, a coach and a counselor.
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Brian Murphy and Fr. Shay Kearns, from the social media account Queer Theology, sit down with Tim for the third installment about the work of Queer Theology. Brian and Shay discuss how Queer Theology came to be and what their message is. Tim, Brian and Shay discuss what the initial response was when they launched the website and how many of those who engage are from Evangelical backgrounds. Brian and Shay discuss how body autonomy was co-opted by the Evangelical church and the damage it did. Tim, Brian and Shay discuss whether Evangelical can be redeemed. Lastly, Tim ask about how both queer and straight folks can engage Queer Theology and the LGBTQIA community in a more loving way.
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Fr. Shay Kearns, co-creator of Queer Theology, podcast host and ordained priest, sits down with Tim to discuss his story as a transgender man in Christian spaces. Shay explains his background in the Evangelical church and in Evangelical education. Shay and Tim discuss his exploration of both sexuality and gender as a leader in the American Baptist tradition and in his education at Union College's seminary. Shay explains how he got involved with the Old Catholic church and the differences between it and Roman Catholicism. Lastly, Tim and Shay discuss why the Evangelical church struggles with challenges to its theology.
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Brian G. Murphy, from Queer Theology, sits down with Tim on the first of three episodes about what it means to be a queer Christian. Brian explains how he grew up. Tim and Brian discuss how Brian discovered he was queer and what that meant going into his college years. Brian explains how coming out to his parents changed both their understanding of God. Tim and Brian discuss how Queer Theology came about. Lastly, Brian explains what polyamory or ethical non-monogamy is.
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Dr. Robyn Espinoza, professor, author and social media content creator of I, Robyn, sits down with Tim to discuss their upcoming book Body Becoming: Path to Liberation. Robyn discusses their background as a trans, nonbinary person raised in Evangelicalism. Robyn and Tim discuss how their degree led to their social media account, I, Robyn and what does activist theology look like? Tim and Robyn discuss how the current deconstructionist movement and ethical theology intersect. Robyn explains what conversations can look like when harm reduction is the goal versus right thinking. Lastly, Robyn explains what they think heaven on earth through ethical theology can create in society.
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Dr. Nathan Cartegena, professor, author and speaker, sits down with Tim to discuss the issues of racialization within the Evangelical church and how to relearn a new path toward Biblical understanding of restorative justice. Dr. Nathan Cartagena gives some of his background and how he came to discuss specific intersectionality of the Evangelical church and race. Tim and Dr. Cartagena discuss generational patterns of racism and what wounds are caused to both white and POC communities through erroneous teachings by the Evangelical church. Next, Tim and Dr. Cartagena talk about how the ideas of walking with the Spirit and Biblical understanding of restorative justice connect. Lastly, Tim and Dr. Cartagena look at the direction forward for the white Evangelical church, and those deconstructing from it, by detaching the church from Empire.
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Jessica Malaty Rivera, Infectious Disease Epidemiologist and Science Communication Lead at the Covid Tracking Project, sits down with Tim to discuss information about pandemic prevention research, Covid-19 and the vaccine. Jessica explains her background and how she ended up studying infectious diseases at Georgetown University. Tim and Jessica discuss what Covid-19 is and how masks and social distance can prevent transmission of the disease. Tim and Jessica discuss misinformation on the virus itself and also the reporting of deaths due to Covid-19. Jessica explains how racism in medicine and lack of healthcare preparedness resulted in our current situation. Lastly, Tim and Jessica discuss the vaccine, its efficacy and how transmissible the new variant Omicron is.
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Dr. David Gushee, professor and author, sits down with Tim to discuss his new book Introducing Christian Ethics. Tim and Dr. Gushee discuss his current project and how it came about. Dr. Gushee explains Christian Humanism in his newly released book Introducing Christian Ethics and how it's relevant to his new book. Tim and Dr. Gushee talk about the difference between having knowledge about certain challenging questions of life and how to solve them. Lastly, Dr. Gushee explains what Sacred Nonviolent and Sacred Violence are in church history and how that is important in understanding current events
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Dr. George Yancey, sociologist and author of the book, One Faith No Longer: The Transformation of Christianity in Red and Blue America, sits down with Tim to discuss Progressive Christianity and the divide between them and Conservative Christianity in terms of politics. Dr. Yancey and Tim discuss his book and what were some of the implications of it. Dr. Yancey explains his background in academia and his switch to studying religion. Tim and Dr. Yancey discuss how he defines Progressive Christianity. They also examine the political landscape since his book was written based on data from 2012. Tim and Dr. Yancey look at the blindspot of Progressive Christians and how to improve relations between them and Conservative Christians. Dr. Yancy discusses his upcoming book.
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January 6th 2021 was a day America and the world will never forget. Tim brought on Samuel Perry, the author of Taking America Back for God which looks at polling and other data to see how Christian Nationalism behaves, how it's seen in the larger public and where it's heading.
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Russell Moore, author, theologian, former pastor, former Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission President for the SBC, and podcast host for Christianity Today, sits down with Tim to discuss the current situation within the AEC. Russell gives some of his background and his connection with disillusionment of the church; a phrase he uses instead of deconstruction to describe what he sees as antichrist in the modern AEC. Tim and Russell discuss what his view of the deconstruction movement is and how broad the term is. They both discuss what both the individual and the church need to do in order to propel the church forward in a Christ focused manner. Lastly, Tim gives Russell a chance to point out what is wrong with TIm's critique of the AEC and what he sees as necessary for the church to meet the requirements set down by Jesus to be a healthy church.
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We are taking the week off! Here's an end of year wrap up message from Tim. Thank you to ALL of our listeners for making this podcast what it is!
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Tripp Fuller, author, theologian and podcast host sits down with a follow-up episode with Tim to discuss the Virgin Birth. Tripp explains the difference between Protestant and Catholic interpretations of the Virgin Birth of Jesus. Tim and Tripp discuss the historical evidence of the Christmas story accounts in Matthew and Luke and if the story was meant to be taken literally. Lastly, Tim and Tripp discuss what the idea of being fully God and fully human means apart from the traditional Evangelical theology and how the fully faithfulness of Jesus expresses a deeper understanding of this concept. (insert links)
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Aaron Simmons, professor of philosophy, Youtube content creator and friend of Trip Fuller sits down with Tim to discuss how Kierkegaard’s writings dissect the issues within Christianity we are faced with today. Aaron gives his background as a professor of philosophy at Furman, his personal life and the content he and Trip Fuller are creating together. Aaron breaks down the body of work by Kierkegaard and his aim as a Danish thinker. Tim and Aaron discuss what Kierkegaard meant by his pursuit of the self (or existentialism) and how the knowledge of the self was crucial to understand the pursuit of faith. Tim asks Aaron how Kierkegaard would view the intersection of Christian nationalism and Christianity within the AEC. Aaron discusses how we either elevate those in power or are wrecked by those power systems in the pursuit of Jesus.
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Sharon "Rocky" Roggio, an independent filmmaker, production designer and now director for her new project 1946 The Movie, sits down with Tim about the project and where it originated. Rocky, explains her background as a pastor's daughter in a non-denominational Evangelical church that was not LGBT+ affirming and how being gay in that environment was very harmful for her. Working in the film industry, Rocky's experience and her own sexual identity eventually coincided in the project 1946 The Movie. Tim and Rocky discuss how she immersed herself in research after going to one after another of seemingly affirming churches, but then discovering they were not in fact affirming of LGBT+ members at all. Rocky, explains how the project came to her, and how the writers of the book the project is based on did meticulous research on how the term "homosexual" came to be in the English translations of the Bible. Tim and Rocky then discuss how long it took to film and edit the movie for release and when the film is slated to be finished.
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Dr. Kia Moore, pastor, community advocate and the first female delegate to the Tennessee Baptist Convention sits down with Tim to discuss racism in public health, black baptist churches, and women in Southern Baptist spaces. Dr. Moore gives her background and what precipitated her speaking with White House officials about how she organized a vaccine drive in black churches in her community. Dr. Moore is a pastor at The Church at The Well in Memphis Tennessee and works as an outreach to her community. She and Tim discuss how racism in medicine created distrust among the black community due to research like the Tuskegee Experiment. Dr. Moore also explains how she combatted that mistrust by using one of the researchers who was a Black woman to educate her community concerning the need for the vaccine. Tim and Dr. Moore explore how Whiteness in medical spaces continues to use myths about people of color that can be dangerous especially to women of color. Dr. Moore also talks about how being the first woman to preach at her childhood church, and later to become the first female pastor at her current church, helped her to see the need for advocacy for other women seeking to become pastors
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Mark Charles, Native American pastor and author of the book Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery with co-author Soong-Chan Rah, sits down with Tim to discuss Christian Supremacy's impact on Native Americans. Mark gives a breakdown of his background growing up in a missionary school on the Navajo Reservation and his journey to becoming a pastor on the Reservation. They break down what the Doctrine of Discovery is starting with Christopher Columbus and the Catholic Church who authorized this doctrine. Mark then shows how Protestants who initially rejected the Doctrine of Discovery because of its Catholic roots, changed course on the way to the Massachusetts Bay Colony. Tim and Mark examine the Homestead Act of 1862 and the impact it had on Native Americans across the country. Mark explains how the racist policies of Abraham Lincoln impact current issues with incarcerated black Americans and removal of Native Americans off their native lands.
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Tim sat down with Janice who runs the instagram account Godhasnotgiven to talk about her time working at Hillsong NYC and interacting directly with Carl Lentz. Janice was open and honest about her time and how it eventually lead to her leaving the Evangelical Church for good.
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Author of a recent TGC (The Gospel Coalition) article, Joshua Butler came on the show to discuss his article "Four Causes for Deconstruction". In the article Josh presents 4 common causes that people deconstruct which are Church Hurt, Poor Teaching, Want to Sin and Street Cred. Tim brought Josh on to talk about the article and some concerns he has with it.
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Bradly Mason author on the Twitter account Also A Carpenter, a friend and colleague of Dr. Nathan Cartegena and cabinet maker sits down with Tim to break down what CRT is and why it matters to understand it. Brad, explains his background as a carpenter and how he began to study CRT and began writing on his account to educate those within the Reformed Church about CRT. Tim and Brad first examine certain terms often used by those within white Evangelical spaces to criticize CRT: Critical Theory, Frankfurt School of Thought, and Critical Race Theory. Brad, points out that the Frankfurt School of Thought disagreed with aspects of Marxism and that Bell, one of the founders of CRT, disagrees with both Marx and the Frankfurt School on some aspects of systematic injustice as well. Tim and Brad then breakdown how post Civil Rights Act, disparities continued however and racial injustice no longer was accepted as the root cause. TIm and Brad then examine why the white Evangelical church finds the idea of CRT so repugnant. Lastly, Tim and Brad discuss what will happen to the white Evangelical church as a result of their resistance to CRT.
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Bridget Eileen Rivera, author of Heavy Burdens: Seven Ways the LGBT Community Experiences Harm From the Church sits down with Tim to discuss how culture and the Religious Right's agenda influenced how Evangelicals were taught to view queerness. Bridget, gives some background about how she came to write her latest book. She gives the history of the Religious RIght's influence on the church starting with the AIDS crisis and the Gay Civil Rights era. Tim and Bridget then discuss how the terms homosexual and heterosexual came into our modern vocabulary from Freud's work on human sexuality. They discuss how that led to the translators of the Bible changing how certain Greek words were translated from the NT clobber passages from their original English translations to homosexual in 1946. Bridget, explains how culture for many of the early church fathers viewed all non-procreative sex as sodomy.
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On this episode Tim interviews not ONE but TWO distinguished guests. Dr. Stephen Backhouse and Rabbi Avi Finegold offer a unique insight to Christian nationalism, its roots and how it has taken ideas from judaism and twisted it to create a narrative that is actually counter to both Jewish and Christian thought throughout the ages.
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Dr. Jessica Johnson, professor and author of the book Biblical Porn sits down with Tim to discuss her book and interview with the Mars Hill Podcast. Tim and Jessica discuss what Mars Hill was like in the beginning in Seattle and how it attracted some many young adults. Tim and Jessica discuss the problems around Mark Driscoll's comments on women and men's objectification of them and how his sermons became so popular among white Evangelicals. Jessica, explains her interview with Christianity Today's podcast about Mars Hill and how she at first wasn't sure about the fourth episode but thought the fifth episode did put Mark's sermon clips in so that her words were backed up. Tim and Jessica discuss the fallout from Mars Hill and how the survivors of Mark Driscoll's abuse have never seen repentance from him. They also discuss how Mark has moved on to another church and is now taking up the cause of Christian Nationalism and criticism of CRT. Lastly, Jessica explains how her new research into Christian Nationalism outside the church will be the focus of her next book.
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Marcie is the creator and founder of Black Coffee with White Friends which is a space designed to bring people from different backgrounds to understand each other. Marci shares her story with Tim and her experiences with racism in her childhood and again as an adult dealing with the public school system.
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On this episode Tim talked to author, pastor and speaker Paula Williams. Paula transitioned from a man to a woman and has a unique perspective on what she has learned since transitioning. Tim and Paula talk about her former job as a CEO and president of a church planting network and what life is like now as she advocates for women’s rights and equal pay in the workplace. he has been featured in TEDWomen, TEDSummit, the New York Times, Red Table Talk, TEDxMileHigh, the Washington Post, NPR, Good Morning America, CNN, ABC News, and scores of other media outlets.
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Dr. Hayhoe is a leading voice in the ongoing climate change science and her new book “Saving Us” talks about both the science of climate change the politicalization of it. Her book attempts to bridge the gap between those who are skeptical of climate change and those who are leading the charge on the importance of changing societal norms to help save the planet. We talk about the data showing why climate change is being caused by humans, the skepticism around it and how we move forward.
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Jemar Tisby, author, scholar, activist and student of the renowned author and scholar Dr. William Pannell, discusses racism within Evangelicalism based on the book by Dr. Pannell, The Coming Race War. Jemar, gives the history and background on his mentor, Dr. Pannell. He explains how in 1992, Dr. Pannell identified the crisis that white Evangelicalism continues to ignore about racism both in secular society but also in Evangelical theology and churches. Tim and Jemar explore how that lack of identification of black voices within Evangelicalism makes it difficult for white Evangelicals to hear their position on racism. Jemar, explains how historical context is important to understand the current minimization of racism and its implications on society as a whole. Jemar, also explains the whitelash, or the silencing of black voices on this subject, and how it hinders the work that Jemar and other black scholars/activists/theologians do. Finally, Jemar and Tim look at ways to support black Christians in their work to fight racism within Evangelicalism, as well as in other spheres of society.
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Cody Lawrence, podcast creator, former missionary, and pastor joins Tim to discuss everything from what the Bible is, what are the three greatest problems in the church, and the great mask debate from Biblical perspectives. Cody and Tim, give a little bit of background for each other’s listening audience. They also examine the issue of what the Bible is and whether it is inerrant or not. The idea of objective truth is explored through both Cody and Tim’s different theological perspectives. Tim and Cody, discuss what they believe are the three greatest problems in the American church and the implications of those problems on the church. Lastly, Tim and Cody comment on the concept of masking during the pandemic. They debate the Biblical idea of submission to governmental authorities and what that means to each of them.
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David Hayward, author, artist and content creator of the Instagram account Naked Pastor joins Tim to discuss his new book, Til Doubt Us Do Part, about deconstruction in marriage. Tim and David, discuss his background and how that evolved into the current platform David has on the Naked Pastor. Tim and David, break down what deconstruction can do to a marriage relationship. David explains how a marriage should have flexibility to accommodate deconstruction in one or both partners. They both discuss what to do in relationships where there is an abusive or narcissistic spouse. David, gives some advice about how to deal with a spouse or family member who is deeply Alt-Right or fundementalist. Both Tim and David, talk about the negative impact Evangelical indoctrination can have on a marriage relationship and how marriage has been redefined by the current generation. Lastly, David imparts his wisdom about the journey of deconstruction and what to expect.
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Ben Cremer, historian, pastor and friend, breaks down the beginnings of the movement historians later called Evangelicalism. Tim and Ben, start from the beginning in pre-Civil War America and how people like Charles Phiney saw the ills within society and decided to apply their Christianity to the community around them. Ben, explains these Revivalists, as they referred to themselves, saw slavery, women’s subjugation and the predatory practices of the rich on the poor as immoral. This led to the Second Great Awakening and the abolitionist movement. Tim and Ben, examine how this idea led to modern beliefs that differ so much from the original movement. The book Discovering an Evangelical Heritage by Donald W. Dayton is also discussed and its importance in understanding early Evangelicals.
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On this episode I'm joined by Melanie from the Holy Heretics Podcast and Katherine from the Uncertain Podcast where we discuss the most recent episode from the Rise and Fall of Mars Hill featuring Josh Harris. In the Rise and Fall of Mars Hill, host Mike Cosper interviews Harris where they talk about church celebrity culture, deconstruction and Josh's rise in Evangelicalism. As the episode comes to a close there were some troubling statements made about deconstruction and the Evangelical Church so we recorded this episode to respond to them.
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Michael, from The Honest Youth Pastor, sits down with Tim and discuss how the The Honest Youth Pastor came about. Michael, explains what he believes is the Biblical model for the church. Tim and Michael, also discuss how the issue of static doctrinal statements within churches can be problematic and helpful. Michael, explains how the issue of information overload in deconstruction, can often create confusion for a believer. He also found that Progressive Christianity was more harmful than Fundementalist Christianity. He and Tim, debate the spectrum between those two extremes and the need for discussion and education for informed decision-making
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Megan Madsen, a Wesleyan theologian, discusses with Tim whether or not social justice is Biblical justice. From the Hebrew Bible to the Gospels, Megan breaks down how Judaism viewed injustice and how God expected Israel to respond to oppression of any kind. Megan, also reorients believers to an oppressed centered gospel in which the Spirit of God moves through a believer and accomplishes good deeds through them. She points out that modern Evangelicalism is centered on the white, male, heteronormative, Christian, captialist model and the gospel must benefit that believer. This is in contrast to the believer being beneficial to those around them, especially the most vulnerable in society.
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Dr. Katie, professor and researcher as well as master level yoga instructor, breaks down how Evangelical spaces can co-opt our identities and provide breeding grounds for abusive authority. Dr. Katie, explains early childhood development and how that creates our formation of identity. Identity, she argues, influences what kind of relational intimacy we have as adults. Tim and Dr. Katie, explore how churches, by their very nature of subjective truth, have a greater influence than authority figures who operate from objective fact. This pushes the average church goer to conform. Dr. Katie and Tim, look at how to do embodiment integration especially for women in deconstruction spaces who were survivors of spiritual abuse/trauma.
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Jamin Andreas Hubner, professor and researcher of economics , breaks down what capitalism is and how it isn’t compatible with a Biblical ethic. Jamin and Tim define some of the economic terms used in Evangelical spaces and what they really mean. They also explain how capitalism creates a coercion of labor due to the inequities in an economic system based on the employee and employer model. Jamin, then, describes an old buy forgotten model of the cooperative model in business and how it better meets the Biblical ethic of loving your neighbor.
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On this episode Tim sits down with pastor, author and podcast producer, Mike Graham, who penned the article on The Gospel Coalition Network called The Six Way Fracturing of Evangelism which dissects the breakdown of Evangelism during the last election cycle. Mike is the executive pastor of Orlando Grace Church in Orlando, Florida and produces a podcast called As It Is In Heaven. Mike and Tim discuss the concept behind the article and where it originated. Mike, explains in a comprehensive way how deconstruction fits into this six category model.
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Sheila Gregoire, author of The Great Sex Rescue and the Facebook page To Love, Honor and Vacuum, is back to break down the misleading issues in Evangelical literature about marriage and sex. Beginning with her background, Sheila explains how the book The Great Sex Rescue became one of the first comprehensive scientific surveys on Evangelical Christian women’s sexual mental well-being and pleasure. Sheila and Tim explore the myths and harmful influences of these well known marriage books by Evangelical Christian authors.
Show NotesSheila, begins by giving background on how her venture into the world of Christian women’s sexuality began. She explains how the book The Great Sex Rescue came about. Her research for the book used the first of its kind scientific survey to gauge women’s sexual satisfaction, women’s marriage health and women’s overall view of sex. Sheila, identifies four problems within the literature of well known Christian authors: The most damaging being sex is primarily for men, women were experiencing pleasure 47% less than the rate of their husbands, physical explanations for lack of pleasure not addressed, and myths about women’s sexuality. Sheila, goes on to explain how those books were not scientifically analyzed but used faulty interpretation of the data of peer reviewed material. Tim and Sheila look at the myths promoted in these well known books such as: Men have no self-control and therefore their wives must satisfy their sexual needs without a consideration of their own, issues of consent in marriage exploited by these authors, the dehumanization of men by portraying them as sex crazed maniacs, and how a woman’s painful intercourse isn’t tied to her need for non-intercourse stimulation.
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I came across Matthew Boedy when I read an article he wrote critiquing Charlie Kirk’s rhetoric. I had to bring Professor Boedy on to ask him why he has an entire website devoted to Charlie Kirk and what his thoughts were on the resurgence of Christian Nationalism. Because Professor Boedy teaches rhetoric at the college level, we also dug in to talk radio and what makes their style of rhetoric so successful.
For those who don’t know, Charlie Kirk is one of the most influential and popular conservative commentators to come up in recent memory. He started a network called Turning Point USA which has a massive social media presence and is devoted to upholding Trumpism and conservative values.
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A few weeks ago I asked social media if someone could please tell me what the phrase "Social justice is not Biblical justice" meant and it did not disappoint. Allie Stuckey shared my post and told me she had just the podcast episode. So I decided to listen to it and give my thoughts on episode 146 of the Allie Stuckey show titled "What is Biblical Justice"
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On this episode I brought Jonathan Steingard on the show to discuss his time with the Christian band Hawk Nelson. Jon has a unique perspective because he’s experience sides of the Christian culture and music industry that many of us don’t see. John and I talk about his time in Hawk Nelson and what it was like to deconstruct his faith while being the face of a popular Christian band.
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Author Bridget Rivera comes back on the show to talk about Pride Month and why Christians should care about it. As someone in the LGBTQ+ Community and a devoted Jesus follower, Bridget offers a perspective that Christians should pay attention to. Bridget’s Book Heavy Burdens comes out this October.
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On this episode I interview theologian, author and mega nerd (his words) Tripp Fuller. Tripp and I talk about the 4 gospels and how they don’t all agree on the same facts and how that’s ok. We talk about finding the divine in both inside and outside the Christian faith and at the end, Tripp picks my brain on The New Evangelicals and why I I started it. Tripp’s newest book is called Divine Self-Investment: An Open and Relational Constructive Christology Studies in Open and Relational Theology and is available everywhere.
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This is a new series that I will be doing throughout the New Evangelicals Podcast. I believe it is essential to dialogue with the other side of the Chrsitian spectrum, to ask questons and to hear what they have to say. On this episode I interview Samuel Deuth who is a Pastor at Awaken Church in California. Samuel believes that Christians should resist tyranny and oppression by resisting mask wearing both and inside and outside buildings. Samuel’s Church has hosted Charlie Kirk and will be hosting Candace Owens this summer. I had a lot of questions for Samuel and he was kind enough to come on to answer them.
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I interviewed the father of deconstructing (my title not his) Dr. David Gushee and let me tell you friends, it did not disappoint. David is well known in academic circles for writing several textbooks that are still widely used in colleges today including the book Kingdom Ethics. However, over time, David found himself more at odds with the fundamentalist take over the evangelicalism and when he wrote his LGBTQ affirming book, changing our minds, he was promptly kicked out. Since then David has spent his time writing After Evangelicalism and giving the deconstruction community better language for what they’ve experienced.
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On this episode I sat down with the legendary John Walton who is an expert in the Old Testament and who has written over 30 books about his work. John and I dig deep into Genesis 1, talk about Adam and Eve and John offers incredible insight on major narratives in the Bible that our western eyes often miss.
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On this episode Joey from the Dismantle Podcast asked several podcast hosts in his network to join him for a mega 90 day fiancé TELL ALL style episode. So that's what we did. We talk about our Church experience, losing friends and how we've found new friends through this deconstruction network.
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I sat down with Staci Frenes author of Love Makes Room which documents Staci’s journey of moving from a non-affirming to an affirming position when her daughter came out. Staci and I talk about the painful journey of losing friends in the Evangelical Church over this decision and how she and her daughter have found healing on the other side along with understanding that God’s love is bigger and wider than what we are sometimes lead to believe.
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On this episode Meghan Tschanz, author of Women Rising, joins me to talk about her journey growing up in a conservative, patriarchal church environment and having her world rocked as she traveled the globe with the mission’s organization the world race. Meghan’s story is powerful, heartbreaking and hopeful.
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This is a very personal episode for me. On this episode my friend Will from the Space Between Podcast came on to interview me around my recent departure from my Church of six years. We talk about my backstory and the events leading up to my departure, dealing with Church hurt and where I’m at now. Honest and transparency are a core value for me and this episode is me doing that to the best of my ability.
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On this episode I interview Grace Baldridge who’s artist name is Semler. Grace is a queer Christian who released a worship album that ranked #1 on iTunes. We talked about her experience in the Church as someone in the LGBTQ+ community, writing raw and honest music as worship to the Creator and how to push the Church forward to be more inclusive of a community that has often been ostracized and attacked by the American Evangelical Church.
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Theology nerds! This episode is for you! I talk to Dr. Michael Heiser who’s expertise is the nature of the spiritual realm in the Bible, namely the Divine Councill and the hierarchy of the spiritual order. If you thought the Bible was weird then buckle up because it’s about to get really weird. Dr. Heiser runs his own podcast, The Naked Bible and is also the Executive Director of the School of Ministry at Celebration Church in Jacksonville, Florida.
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On this episode I brought my friend Peter on to talk about the Church persecution complex, Church culture and how to decolonize overseas missions. Peter is the executive director of Bethany kids which is a compassionate Christian mission transforming the lives of African children with surgical conditions and disabilities through pediatric surgery, rehabilitation, public education, spiritual ministry and training health professionals.
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On this episode I interviewed Dr. Camden Morgante who is a licensed psychologist with a focus on dismantling the harm that purity culture has caused millions of people. We talk about Dr. Camden’s article titled ”The 5 Purity Culture Myths”, healing from purity culture and ways we can teach our kids a healthy view of human sexuality.
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On this emergency episode I brought on Bridget Rivera @travelingNun) to talk about the recent Lil Nas X controversy and the Evangelical Church’s reaction to it. Bridget is a Christian a lesbian and is currently PHD’ing (stole from her bio). She has served as a committee member for Revoice and worked with other faith-based organizations such as Christians for Social Action and the Center for Faith, Sexuality, and Gender. Bridget also has a book coming out called Heavy Burden 7 Ways LGBTQ Christians Experience Harm in the Church. It’s now available for pre-order
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Will Thorpe from @Heretical_Theology joins me to share his journey from fundamentalist Christianity all the way into atheism. This episode isn’t about debating which worldview is right. Instead this is about Will being able to share his story and his perspective so we can listen and learn.
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On this episode I had Eric Skwarczynski from the Preacher Boys Podcast join me to talk about his work uncovering the rampant sexual abuse in the Evangelical Church, specifically in the Independent Fundamental Baptist movement. Eric is doing the hard but necessary work to uncover how the IFB moves abusers around, covers up abuse and even has a “rehab” for abusers run by…an abuser!
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Phil Drysdale runs the deconstruction network and is devoted to helping people deconstruct their faith. Phil was deep in the evangelical movement for decades and his story is full of twists and turns. For those deconstructing, this is the episode to listen to. Phil has great language and perspective on this often scary situation that many have found themselves in. We talk about what deconstructing is (and isn’t) what it can look like (or doesn’t look like) and Phil shares some surprising statistics on the type of people that are deconstructing (HINT: It’s not the the uncommitted Christian)
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Jo Luehmann is a former pastor and is working to dismantle systems of oppression and toxic theology (stole that from her Instagram bio). Jo is someone with not only a powerful story but who also has a perspective on the Christian faith that needs to be heard. We went deep on this one covering topics like the divinity of Christ, the Bible and deconstruction. One thing about Jo that I love is that she is committed to speaking the truth in love without dehumanizing those she disagrees with.
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Shama is a content creator on Instagram and Tik Tok who makes hilarious Christian satire videos. Tim sat down with Shama to talk about the process of creating content, disillusionment with the American Evangelical Church and why the Church, in Shama’s view, is still worth saving.
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