Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn: Recent Episodes
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This is what the world needs now: two free-thinking “seasoned” Black women speaking their truth. Shaped by 45 years of friendship that began at the prestigious Brooklyn Technical High School through the Ivy League, medical school, marriages, divorces, triumphs, parenting queer children, life-threatening illness and many many amazing adventures. Each week, besties Leslie Osei-Tutu and Angella Fraser will push against boundaries in love, culture, careers, faith, politics and out-dated assumptions about women of a certain age. Remember, you’re never too old to change your mind…or your hair! (but more on that later :-)
A few days of missing daily checkins with Ang leaves Leslie feeling some kinda way: yeah, she’s a jealous bestie.
So join us as Ang gives all the juicy updates of her adventures in Panamá and gives Leslie a few surprises to boot.
Links to people and places mentioned in this episode:
Black Expats in Panama (BEIP)
https://youtube.com/@blackexpatsinpanama?si=w7IuN54v-yiynBMZ
Roshida Dowe
https://youtube.com/@roshida?si=zjCPprJZnLNLFmnm
Aisha Niang (Abroad Ability)
https://youtube.com/@abroadability?si=JkXwk11GtMW8STU0
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She was in her fourth supermarket on a 105-degree day, carrying raw chicken store to store like it’s totally normal, all for the right dried peppers to make adobo.
Turns out both of us Besties have obsessions. Listen to hear how we navigate our differences with empathy, even if it's forced.
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We close out our summer deep dive on Tara Roberts’ Into the Depths podcast by sitting with the final two chapters, “Healing” and “Rooting,” and the question of how we tell the truth without surrendering our joy. From the Sao Jose shipwreck found in South Africa to family land in North Carolina, we discuss evidence, memory, and what repair can look like when we refuse to look away.
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Referenced Content:
Wilmington on Fire (option 1)
https://globaljusticecenter.org/videos/wilmington-fire
Wilmington on Fire (option 2)
https://www.primevideo.com/detail/0KVR9UKN84LGA6YMPPJ3PRXST4
American Coup: Wilmington 1898 | Full Documentary | American Experience | PBS
https://youtu.be/AORz0OgEVHI?si=yEWoHoPRUovA_HlW
The 'Clotilda,' the Last Known Slave Ship to Arrive in the U.S., Is Found
History of the São José Slave Ship and Site | Smithsonian Institution
Diving With A Purpose
https://divingwithapurpose.org
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This week, we continue with Tara Roberts’ National Geographic podcast Into the Depths, episodes 3 & 4.
Puerto Viejo on the Caribbean coast of Costa Rica is where she meets Afro-Costa Rican teen divers bringing up pieces from wrecks linked to Danish slave ships. Should descendants and local communities be the ones who name, interpret, and keep what they find or is it the responsibility of academically trained archeologists? We connect this to familiar patterns of gatekeeping, from Black hair braiding certifications to how African American midwives were pushed aside when institutions decided tradition was not “legitimate” enough.
In episode 4, Tara travels to Africa for the first time and runs into a reality many of us wonder about: Is the dream of a homecoming with open arms a reasonable or a fantastical expectation? We unpack diaspora
identity, the grief of not fully belonging anywhere, and the reframing that may be helpful in finding peace.
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Referenced Content:
Diving With A Purpose
https://divingwithapurpose.org
Your Homework Assignment:
Listen to Into The Depths episodes 5 & 6 and join us for the discussion next week:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/podcasts/into-the-depths
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12.5 million Africans were brought to the Americas between the 1500s and 1800s. 1.8 million died along the way. More than 40 countries are involved in the commerce of human beings.
So, did you do this week's homework assignment? If you listened to episodes one and two of National Geographic Explorer Tara Roberts’ podcast Into The Depths, move to the top of the class!
In this episode, Besties Angella and Leslie talk about what it means to seriously pursue a calling with a long runway (like leaving a good job), how friends push you toward your “big yes,” and why so many of us quit when the first few tries don’t deliver results. We look forward to hearing from you.
Referenced Content:
Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie: The Danger of a Single Story | TED: https://youtu.be/D9Ihs241zeg?si=N4U4s9FDlCCH3cxl
Diving With A Purpose: https://divingwithapurpose.org
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The Besties kick off a summer “podcast book club” and explain why they’re committed to intentional joy that includes facing fear instead of pretending it doesn’t exist. Leslie and Angella also share a hilarious listening mistake before announcing their first pick, Into the Depths - Podcast, a powerful series about Black scuba divers searching for slave trade shipwrecks and the history they hold.
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Moving countries is one kind of reset. Writing about your life is another. Angella and Leslie catch up on life in Panama City then talk about what it takes for them to contribute chapters to an upcoming anthology with their friend and editor Kim Coles. The Besties unpack perfectionism, the writing blocks that surprised them, and the practical tricks that finally helped their writing flow to completion.
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This episode is a quick check in from The Besties while Les is still sweaty after her daily walk and Ang is close to departure in the airport lounge. Despite some unexpected baggage fees, she survived and is excited for what lies ahead.
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Changing your mind can feel like a character flaw, especially when you’ve already said “I’m not doing one more thing.” Then life changes the facts, your schedule shifts, the pressure drops, and suddenly the decision that once felt right needs an update. That’s where The Besties start: one of them decides to add something back into the plan before a major move abroad, and they talk through the judgment that shows up when a pivot is visible to other people.
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Your calendar is full, your body is tired, and then a shiny new opportunity shows up and whispers, just add one more thing. Besties Angella and Leslie know that voice well, and they’re putting it on the table with zero filter.
From last-chance travel plans before a major move to the impulse to stack “productive” tasks on top of family time, they trace how overcommitment gets dressed up as responsibility, ambition, or “making the most of it.”
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What does it feel like to watch your entire life drive away on pallets headed to Panama? Leslie admits she’s in her feelings, and we laugh through the petty moments while still naming the truth: transitions can sting even when they’re good.
We talk joy, grief, and the guts it takes to start over abroad. Listen now then tell us, what would you keep? What would you be happy to see go?
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Are you the kind of person who is automatically suspicious of people’s intentions? Besties Angella and Leslie are bringing you a real-time example of how fast our brains can write a story that isn’t even true and then treat it like evidence. The Besties have completely opposing views.
If you’ve ever thought, “Everybody would think of it that way,” this conversation might make you take a pause.
Subscribe and share this episode with one person you’d likely have a debate with. But find common ground like the Besties do!
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A random Brooklyn day turns into a full-on love letter to Black-owned brands we trust and repurchase, plus a hard look at how we talk ourselves out of supporting Black-made luxury.
Our faves for self-care and home: Oia Wellness for beautiful home fragrance, BklynBarSoap for oils and body care, Harlem Candle Company for candles that connect scent to Black history, plus Tilted Crown Products body butters, Komari Bath and Body, and Epilogic Skincare
recommended by a dermatologist. We close with style staples that make great gifts and confidence upgrades, including Talley & Twine watches and Harlem's Heaven Hats, along with how you can join our Patreon to help shape what we cover next.
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Your phone is full of messages, photos, and threads you swear you’ll scroll back to someday. But what happens when the platform changes, an account disappears, or “someday” never comes? We’re Angella and Leslie, two 60-something Black women from Brooklyn on a joy journey, and we’re making the case for something radically simple: handwritten letters, cards, and real written correspondence.
We dig into why letter writing still matters, from the “juicy” mother-child letters that hold conversations you’d never say out loud on a call, to the boxes of old notes that become a personal archive of love.
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We’ve talked for years about writing our story, but talking is safe (and cheap) and the blank page is not. This time we’re doing it: we’re each contributing to a chapter in Kim Coles’ latest anthology Legacy GIFTs, a project built around gratitude, intention, forgiveness, triumphs, and self-love. And once we say it out loud, there’s no hiding from the work of putting pen to paper.
We get honest about what writing feels like in real life, especially when you don’t think of yourself as “a writer.” Leslie shares why drafting can feel like a chore, how intimidating it is to be asked to contribute to a best-selling author’s book, and the very real nerves that show up right before feedback. Angella talks about the power of a consistent writing practice, pacing for a 3,500-word deadline, and why accountability can be both loving and ruthless at the same time.
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**A toxic job doesn’t just waste your time. It can hijack your body, shrink your thinking, and convince you that staying small is “safe.” We sit down with Dr Kimani Norrington Sands, licensed clinical psychologist and founder of Lifting As We Climb Consulting, to talk about the 2026 Job Liberation Virtual Summit for Black Women and why this moment demands more than motivation. We need strategy, community, and a plan that protects our health and our money.
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Legacy can feel like a loaded word, like you need a big house, a perfect family tree, and a fortune to leave behind. We don’t buy that. We’re two 60-something Black women, best friends for almost 50 years, and we’re talking about legacy as something you’re already building right now through your values, your relationships, your stories, and the way you show up in community.
We also shout out a resource we believe in: The Job Liberation Summit for Black Women, co-founded by Dr. Kimani Norrington Sands and Marissa Price. It’s built for Black women navigating layoffs, toxic workplaces, exit strategy planning, financial readiness, and the emotional healing that has to happen alongside liberation. If you’re thinking about freedom, nervous system regulation, and economic autonomy, this belongs on your radar.
Register for The Job Liberation Virtual Summit for Black Women. Prices start at only $97
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Every joy journey includes facing difficult decisions and conversations; the parts few people enjoy thinking about.
This week, Besties Angella and Leslie are challenged to plan, and update plans, to prepare for sickness and death; a topic Leslie embraces but Ang, not so much.
If you’ve been putting off these essentials of healthcare/estate planning, press play, set a deadline and do one concrete step this week to ensure that your wishes, should you become incapacitated, are honored. Subscribe, share this episode with one person you’d want to protect and leave a review so more people have these conversations before they’re forced to.
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Angella is packing up her apartment and moving to Panama. The dream is real and the joy is real, but so is the day-to-day grind. Turning off utilities, figuring out bins, deciding what can fit in a pod, and realizing that “excited” sometimes feels like pure logistics. Leslie says she’s “pre-missing” her bestie, and they don’t gloss over how a 50-year friendship shifts when one of them will soon be living abroad
They are laughing one minute then getting misty the next while discussing the unexpected healing of letting go, and how community rituals and family love make big transitions smoother.
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You know that one thing you swear you could never give up? The nightly glass of wine, the “double rice,” the burger that used to hit just right. We get honest about what happens when your body starts telling the truth and you finally listen.
The Besties start this episode with Leslie’s Dry January, not as a trendy detox, but as a real test of discipline. Then the twist hits: when she goes back to drinking, it doesn’t even feel good. That opens the door to a bigger conversation about why willpower gets easier when you realize you’re not actually enjoying the habit anymore.
Their joy journey gets practical as they connect discipline, aging and overall health to the everyday choices that make our bodies feel lighter and our minds feel clearer.
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In this episode, the Besties dig into the role judgement plays in impacting one’s joy. In typical fashion, they come to this inquiry by unpacking everyday events that they have differing views about.
Do we make assumptions and judge others too quickly and harshly? If those we judge can’t hear what we say behind their backs, does it mean that our comments are harmless?
Angella and Leslie consider that the impact of this seemingly outward commentary may actually say something more. That it may provide a window to their own inner psyche and may stem from insecurity and self doubt.
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Offering tea to a new home health aide who doesn’t speak English spirals into a deeper discussion about how culture, power, and language shape care and dignity. The Besties explore the different worlds they come from. Angella grew up in Jamaica, where domestic help is common and etiquette is clear; Leslie was raised in Brooklyn, where that setup feels rare and historically loaded. That contrast reveals how easy it is to project motives, fumble hospitality, or confuse kindness with condescension.
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CONTENT WARNING: SUICIDAL IDEATION & THOUGHTS (TIMESTAMP 19:03-24:26)
The Besties were together again to help Leslie’s son have a smooth transition out of the hospital after a 4 month stay. In their time together three things unfolded that challenged their sensibilities and led them to choose kindness and humanity by going the extra mile.
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A recent YouTube video from Stephanie Perry, co-founder of ExodUS Summit, demands that Black people desiring to move abroad, wait until extraction, supremacy, American exceptionalism, and Black excellence (defined here as exalting extraordinary effort and status as the most desirable traits that Black people can have) before going.
The Besties question their readiness, as usual with deep reflection and humor.
Listen, reflect, and share your take: what belief would you leave at the gate? Subscribe, rate, and leave a review to help more listeners find the show.
Stephanie Perry
Some Black people moving abroad are agents of white supremacy. Are you? | Next Black Migration
https://www.youtube.com/live/V9ngUVzEIgo?si=V51daPA7LR4EkWol
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Think aging steals happiness? Think again. As Leslie celebrates her 64th birthday.
As The Besties celebrate Leslie’s 64th birthday in Costa Rica, they share stories that are both tender and hilarious, including the moment the mic literally dropped from the makeshift inverted trash can setup and the reasons they’re done with perfectionism for good.
The heart of this episode is love: how limited time makes us braver, softer, and more precise about what we want. We’re choosing depth over drama, laughter over performance, and presence over panic. Whether you’re 26 or 76, you’ll find practical wisdom here.
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Hidden Brain episode referenced
The Best Years of Your LifeHidden Brainhttps://www.hiddenbrain.org › podcast › the-best-years-...
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Sexuality often gets boxed into the bedroom, but the truth is it shapes how we move through everything: work, parenting, friendships, faith, and our relationship with our own bodies. That expansive view sits at the heart of The Besties’ conversation with licensed clinical social worker and certified sex therapist Chanta Blue, who helps women release shame and claim pleasure as a birthright. She reminds us that sex is a small piece of a much larger puzzle called sexuality, a lifelong experience that starts with how we name our bodies and continues with how we ask for what we need.
Chanta may be reached at: www.BlueWellnessCenter.com
IG: Blue Counseling & Wellness (@bluewellnessctrnj)
Chanta’s book: For Colored Girls Who Need A Break When Being A Super Woman Is Just Too Much
https://www.lulu.com/shop/chanta-blue/for-colored-girls-who-need-a-break-when-being-a-super-woman-is-just-too-much/paperback/product-1q2rzy7q.html?srsltid=AfmBOoq_FMQBLsYSNzbvEidCdtSwlR7o5DurK2tkkZoEwrLdWkp2wAJA&page=1&pageSize=4
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Ready to rethink the intimacy rules you didn’t know you were following? The Besties continue their conversation with ethical non-monogamy coach Taylor Sparks for a candid, laugh-out-loud and deeply practical tour through radical honesty, jealousy management and the real difference between privacy and secrecy. From first-date filters to long-term agreements, Taylor shows how to trade guesswork for clarity and build relationships that fit real life, not fantasy.
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What if the rules you grew up with about love and loyalty aren’t the only ethical guides for successful relationships? Clutch your pearls this week as Besties Angella and Leslie sit down with Taylor K. Sparks, the 65 yr old Owner of Organic Loven —a holistic sexual health educator, intimacy entrepreneur, and ethical non‑monogamy coach—to unpack how consent, communication and curiosity can transform relationships at any age.
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What really stands between you and retirement: the numbers, or the story you tell yourself about them? Besties Angella and Leslie open the closet—literally, with a funny cashmere moment—and then open up about the deeper calculus of stepping away: identity, security, and the pull to live more joyfully while they can.
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Angella and Leslie discuss caregiver guilt and the risks of letting health gains slip. The Besties of nearly fifty years share how small, steady habits can protect mood, sleep and identity when stress seems to take over life. From intermittent fasting to committing to a Dry January, they map out simple ways to restart. Instead of chasing perfection or waiting for life to “normalize,” they focus on small wins that actually fit messy days.
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Besties Angella and Leslie ring in the new year with flu-brained humor, a surprise holiday reunion, and a grounded reset on health, money, and meaning. Between tissues and the usual laughs, they share what to watch for with flu symptoms, set practical goals for 2026, and pick a word to steer the year.
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Angella and Leslie wrestle with how to set boundaries with loved ones without guilt, why the concept of “no contact” is gaining language online, and what healing looks like on both sides of estrangement.
As usual, humor lightens the load and remains an invaluable tool to support resilience and repair as The Besties trade stories, therapy wins, and lessons from recent podcasts from Stephanie Perry and Oprah.
Oprah Explores the Rising Trend of Going No Contact with Your Family
Stephanie Perry Going NO CONTACT with narcissistic mothers | Black women & estrangement at the holidaysReparenting Coach Dani Ellison
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The holidays can feel like two different seasons at once: sentimental and sparkly on the surface, heavy and hectic underneath. Besties Angella and Leslie speak honestly about both and offer a way forward that doesn’t require a shopping cart—just attention, time, and a little creativity.
If you’re ready to trade obligation for intention and make celebration feel like care, this conversation will meet you where you are. Press play, build one small ritual, and let joy be the loudest thing in the room. If this resonates, follow the show, share it with a friend who needs a gentler holiday, and leave a review to help others find us.
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Ever notice how after the prayers and the crescendo of miracles, the next wave of worry comes to snatch it away? Our family just lived through a medical crisis and a hard-won turn for the better, and we’re honest about the whiplash that followed—insurance calls, care decisions, a home being modified, and the ache of meeting a new reality for a once independent son. Gratitude is real. Grief is real. Both want space. In this episode Besties Angella and Leslie ponder ways to make that space.
Whether you’re navigating recovery, supporting a loved one, or just trying to hold onto good news longer than a weekend, this conversation offers language, practices, and companionship for the middle—where the miracle and the paperwork often meet.
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The Besties return this week after taking a much needed “peace pause”. They return to unpack a viral video of a salon arrest and the deeper tensions it exposes between Black Americans and African immigrants. Angella and Leslie weigh boycott power, clear asks, and practical ways to raise standards without giving up on each other.
Owner of African Braiding Salon and Two Employees ARRESTED!!TabithaSpeaksPolitics
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The Besties reflect on a morning of quiet prayer that turned into a cascade of miracles: a son spoke, moved, answered questions, and became eligible for a transfer to acute rehab.
Leslie describes the emotional whiplash of being both a physician and a mom when a loved one is ill. While Besties Angella and Leslie share their relief, they pivot to sharing practical wisdom on the conversations and structures families can have in place when crises arise.
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The Besties trace Angella’s pivots from a 30 plus year corporate career in IT to becoming an entrepreneur who works in theater, showing how one bold choice can open a chain of unexpected doors. Craft, culture and courage meet in scenes from The Color Purple, Motown design, and a 40+ wig design for Legally Blonde The Musical.
The heart of the episode explores how many of us, especially Boomers, are wired for “surety”—the prescribed path through degrees, titles, and predictable outcomes but that training often punishes creative risk and keeps us from starting at all.
The episode closes with a call to those who might be feeling a rumble of discontent. Not everyone must rock the boat but if you are restless it might be worth investigate it.
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The Besties share a candid and honest account of navigating a son’s sudden critical illness while balancing the roles of mother, physician and partner. Joy and grief sit side by side as they lean on community, faith and psychotherapy to move from fear toward steadier ground.
0:00 Welcome And Framing The Conversation
1:31 A Mother And Physician In Crisis
3:00 Transplant Realities And Infection Risk
3:56 Hospitalization And Unspeakable Fear
6:26 Five Lessons Begin: Lean On Community
8:12 Accepting Help When You Resist It
10:36 Partner Support And Shared Joy
11:35 Joy And Grief Coexisting
13:05 Feeling The Feels Versus Avoidance
16:00 Doing The Inner Work For Lasting Joy
17:19 Naming Fear And Choosing Faith
20:12 Staying Emotionally Ready With Therapy
22:11 Old Trauma Resurfacing In ICU
25:00 Pride, Gratitude, And His Character
27:48 Finding Meaning As Health Improves
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**Changes in menopause are more than just mood and temperature swings; it is a rewiring of bone biology. The Besties sit down again with Dr. Toni Otway, a New Jersey Board Certified OB-GYN physician, to unpack how falling estrogen levels accelerate bone loss, why height can shrink over time, and what it truly takes to prevent fractures that derail independence. Instead of chasing a perfect bone density number, they focus on a smarter target: fracture prevention through timely hormone therapy, evidence-based medications, and daily habits that strengthen bones and reduce falls.
Dr. Otway breaks down the science of menopause-associated bone health in plain language—how bones remodel, why vertebrae compress into microfractures, and the real stakes of a hip fracture.
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A thirty-year-old sweater sparks a surprising truth: when your clothes outlive trends, milestones and possibly lifespan, maybe the smartest style move is to stop buying and start noticing. The Besties celebrate their three-year mark by replaying a fan-favorite conversation that ages well- filled with stories about closets, boundaries, and the everyday choices that quietly define who they are.
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0:00 Anniversary Replay Setup
2:20 Show Intro And Warmup
4:10 Closet Clutter And No-New-Shopping Pledge
9:15 Two Different Boots At Work
13:30 Donating And Letting Go
13:55 Introducing The Card Game
16:20 Who’s Tripping In Stores
19:05 Tipping On Takeout
20:30 Prime Sharing And Privacy
22:15 Line-Cutting Etiquette Showdown
25:30 Designer Bag Swap And Honesty
28:00 Leftovers From A Friend’s Plate
31:00 Wrap-Up And Tease For Next Time
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The moment someone says you’re “too much,” you face a fork in the road: get smaller or get clearer. We chose clarity. To mark three years of Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn, the Besties rebroadcast a past episode where a relationship that ended: not because love was absent, but because the container couldn’t hold who Angie was becoming. What followed was a surprising kind of closure, the kind your body recognizes before your brain does.
If you’re navigating midlife love, boundaries, and reinvention, this conversation offers a grounded roadmap for choosing commitments that don’t ask you to choose yourself last.
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A FaceTime that wouldn’t connect, a birthday ice cream run, and a red box hidden under a saucer—then four words that change everything: will you marry me? We’re celebrating a surprise engagement that’s decades in the making and unpacking what it means to choose love, with clarity, later in life.
We retrace the moment—how he kept a three-month secret, returned the first ring, and enlisted his sister to find the one that felt right. From there, we go deeper: how our definition of love has shifted from a word to a practice, how small gestures keep closeness alive, and why time, at 63, sharpens decisions. We talk openly about the past marriage, the therapy that helps us own our part, and the language tweaks that prevent a casual “I don’t care” from stepping on someone else’s joy. The wedding conversation gets real: he wants one, she could elope, and we’re designing a plan that respects both preferences without defaulting to old scripts about gender or tradition.
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- 0:00
Welcome & Big News Tease - 0:30
The Proposal Reveal - 4:30
How He Planned the Ring - 8:30
Love Revisited After 40 Years - 12:30
Choosing Love as a Verb - 17:30
On Aging, Time, and Clarity - 21:00
Healing From Past Marriage - 25:00
Long Engagement, Logistics, Home Reno - 29:00
Gender Roles, Weddings, and Language - 35:30
Owning Feelings Without Dimming Joy
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Two best friends trade wildcard questions about possibility, mortality, love, and “enough,” mixing belly laughs with clear-eyed truth. We unpack being overlooked, parenting triggers, belonging in medicine, and building a good life rooted in self-agency and joy.
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- 0:00
Reunion, Exhaustion, and Warm-Up Banter - 2:54
Who We Are and Why We’re Here - 3:45
The Wildcard Framework Explained - 5:05
Possibility vs. Limits: “Nothing’s Unreachable” - 7:35
Mortality and Radical Preparedness - 10:45
Being Overlooked and Proving Yourself - 13:07
Motherhood, Boundaries, and Defensiveness - 16:00
Age, Love, and the Art of Letting In - 19:04
Belonging in Medicine and Family - 21:30
Working With Difference Without Friction - 24:20
Defining a Good Life and “Enough” - 35:40
Gratitude and Patreon Sign-Off
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Besties Angella and Leslie, two 60-something year old Black women, reveal their concerns over artificial intelligence and explore how AI can enhance rather than threaten their lives.
They reference an episode of John Hope Bryant’s Money and Wealth podcast entitled “How Black America Can Win with AI” where Bryant and his guests Van Jones and Sheldon Gilbert illustrate how AI can serve as a “survival guide, a playbook and a warning label”
How Black America Can Win with AI | John Hope Bryant, Van Jones & Sheldon Gilbert
The Besties advise not to be afraid to start engaging with AI tools like ChatGPT—find the voices you trust who are talking about AI and find your entry point, because the opportunity window is easily accessible.
Chapter Markers
0:00 Meet the Black Boomer Besties
1:00 AI is Already Everywhere
5:33 Black Voices in the AI Revolution
10:22 Angella's Chat GPT Experiment
19:00 The Human Side of AI Interaction
27:30 Finding Your AI Entry Point
37:00 Practical Applications in Education and Healthcare
43:20 Creating Opportunity with AI Agents
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The Besties explore their fears about moving to Panama while choosing to let joy shine through instead of letting fear take control. This candid conversation reveals their concerns about relocating abroad and how they're working through them to embrace this life-changing adventure.
Chapter Markers:
0:00 Reconnecting and Introduction
2:39 Fears About Language Barriers
15:20 Missing Family and Leaving Children
20:05 Career Identity and Financial Concerns
29:14 Death Planning and Residency Status
35:14 Living Together in Close Quarters
46:25 Privilege of Options and Final Thoughts
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Dr. Dianah Lake shares her journey from personal crisis to fitness transformation, creating a holistic wellness program specifically designed for high-achieving women who prioritize everyone else's needs above their own. Her approach addresses not just physical fitness but mental health, hormonal balance, and the unique challenges women face during perimenopause and menopause.
Dr Di Fitness Facebook Page
0:00
Meet Dr. Dianah Lake
6:09
Finding Fitness Through Personal Crisis
13:41
Self-Agency and Commitment to Wellness
21:49
The Program: More Than Weight Loss
31:37
Inflammation, Menopause, and Nutrition
38:24
Building Community and Finding Resources
44:07
Final Thoughts and Upcoming Retreat
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Angella and Leslie explore how choosing joy over fear transformed their lives, particularly in relationships. They share personal stories about leaving marriages that weren't serving them, despite the comfort of familiarity and fear of the unknown.
Chapter Markers:
0:00 Welcome to Black Boomer Besties
5:02 Choosing Joy Over Fear
13:17 Angella's Marriage Journey
22:00 Leslie's Decades-Long Marriage
33:10 The Beautiful Home That Wasn't Happy
41:20 Fear of Leaving vs. Finding Joy
47:00 Finding Love and Joy Again
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Michelle Malawer is a money coach for women. She joins The Besties to explore how unresolved financial issues may create barriers to joy and fulfillment in our lives.
She explains that money struggles affect people at all income levels. Her coaching focuses on understanding the stories and mindsets behind money behaviors, not just numerical solutions. Michelle recognizes that financial shame often prevents us from seeking help or having honest conversations about money so she provides a safe space to delve deeper into her clients ideas about money and financial management.
Michelle offers various coaching options including three and six-month packages, money deep dives, and a free money book club for women
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https://www.linkedin.com/in/michellemalawer/
Chapter Markers:
0:00
Meet the Black Boomer Besties
1:29
Introducing Money Coach Michelle Malawer
5:15
Angela's Financial Journey Begins
11:14
The Money Mindset Beyond Math
19:25
Breaking Through Money Shame
28:04
From Debt to Freedom
38:17
Transforming Your Relationship with Money
40:17
Connect with Michelle and resources
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Black Girls Go Global is changing the world through their one-week STEAM educational program where young Black women travel internationally to learn about sustainable development. Board members Rolanda Goodwin and Lisa Randolph share how this organization is creating pathways for Black girls in STEAM fields where only 2% of the workforce is African American women.
Visit blackgirlsgoglobal.org (IG: https://www.instagram.com/black_girls_go_global to learn more about supporting this organization through volunteering on their committees or becoming a monthly donor. With Black women making up only 2% of the STEM workforce, your support helps create essential pathways for the next generation.
Chapter Markers:
- 0:00
Introducing Black Girls Go Global - 9:24
The Genesis of a Movement - 17:18
STEAM vs STEM: Adding Art to the Equation - 22:20
Breaking Barriers in Representation - 29:10
Costa Rica Experience: Hands-On Learning - 33:07
Legacy Work and Board Commitment - 38:02
How to Support: Resources and Funding - 42:13
The Numbers: Why This Matters
References mentioned:
The Hidden Women of STEM | Alexis Scott | TEDxMountainViewCollege
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When Emory University professor and scholar Dr. Karida L. Brown began researching America's segregated education system, she didn't expect to uncover a radical history of resistance, innovation, and profound courage. Yet after eight years of meticulous archival work across America and South Africa, that's exactly what she found.
Dr Brown’s latest book, "The Battle for the Black Mind" reveals extraordinary stories of Black women educators who created schools with nothing but vision and determination. Mary Smith Peake risked everything to teach enslaved people to read two decades before Emancipation, establishing a freedom school under an oak tree that still stands on Hampton University's campus today. Lucy Craft Laney built the Haines Normal and Industrial Institute from a church basement into a sprawling educational center spanning two city blocks in Jim Crow Georgia, including the state's first Black nursing school.
Dr Brown, who currently serves on the board of The Obama Presidency Oral History Project, calls these nearly forgotten powerhouses and others like them “Freedom Dreamers”. She says that, "Freedom dreaming is the most radical form of political imagination."
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- 0:00
Meeting Dr. Karida Brown - 8:18
The Battle for the Black Mind - 20:16
Mary Smith Peake's Freedom School - 31:02
Black Americans Birthed Public Education - 39:06
Lucy Craft Laney's Educational Legacy - 47:31
Battle for Education: Competing Interests - 50:17
Freedom Dreams for Today's Challenges
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This week Besties Angella and Leslie explore how to invest now to create a future that their older selves will thank them for. They were inspired by an 82-year-old patient who's maintained friendships since high school and lives vibrantly in her ninth decade.
0:00
Welcome to Black Boomer Besties
2:05
An 82-Year-Old Inspiration
6:20
Future Self Letters and Financial Preparedness
15:40
Health 2.0: Physical Fitness for Aging
22:57
Lymphatic Health and Body Maintenance
27:17
Messages from Present to Past Self
34:02
Gratitude for Emotional Resilience
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Dr. Hervé Damas shares his transformative journey from NFL player to cannabis wellness pioneer, sparked by his mother's cancer recurrence and her powerful challenge to him to find his true purpose. His path through medical school, personal health struggles, and ultimately walking away from a lucrative radiology career demonstrates the power of betting on yourself when facing life's greatest challenges.
References:Dr. Damas CBDhttps://www.instagram.com/doctordamas/?hl=enhttps://www.instagram.com/drdamascbd/?hl=en Dr. Herve Damas On Benefits Of CBDhttps://youtu.be/rT5iQOopTv0?si=YcwA-G3l3MFOehEV#FlowertothePeople: How CBD May Be Able to Help With PMS With Dr. Damashttps://youtu.be/JKgqIT9TjPo?si=MT4bEpAEEtPW4Ewi Book a free coaching consultation with Angie here:https://calendly.com/rhythmwigs/more-joy-complimentary-consultation Want behind the scenes content, Join us on Patreon at $5 or $10 level: https://patreon.com/user?u=83534204
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Dr. Hervé Damas, founder of Dr. Damas CBD, shares his riveting journey from a student at NYC’s prestigious Brooklyn Technical High School (The Bestie’s alma mater) to becoming a successful cannabis pioneer and entrepreneur.
With a few amazing milestones achieved along the way- All American scholar-athlete, NFL linebacker, college professor, and physician, Dr Damas is truly a modern day Renaissance Man.
Besties Angella and Leslie allow his nail-biting story to unfold over two episodes, determined to go beyond the highlights to the parts that inspire you to zig when life zags.
Be sure to tune in next week for Part 2 where his mother’s keen observation set Damas up to becoming the health and wellness leader he is today.
References:
Dr. Herve Damas On Benefits Of CBDhttps://youtu.be/rT5iQOopTv0?si=YcwA-G3l3MFOehEV
#FlowertothePeople: How CBD May Be Able to Help With PMS With Dr. Damashttps://youtu.be/JKgqIT9TjPo?si=MT4bEpAEEtPW4Ewi
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When Leslie confesses she approached Angie for career coaching because "I'm not good at too many things”, the statement stops Angie in her tracks, considering Leslie is an accomplished anesthesiologist who returned to medical school at 36 as a single parent.
This moment of disconnect between achievement and self-perception becomes the catalyst for exploring why we struggle to recognize our own worth.
Their honest exchange demonstrates how trusted relationships can help us challenge our limiting beliefs and see ourselves more clearly.
Ready to examine your own self-imposed limitations? Join us for this eye-opening conversation that might just change how you view your own journey. And if you're looking for more guidance on living joyfully, check out Angela's book "We're Too Old For This"—because at a certain point, we've lived more days than we have left, and we're simply too old to delay joy.
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The Besties talk about joy A LOT! And want to make sure that people are getting its true meaning, and what it’s not, to stay clear of all the toxic positivity out there.
Toxic positivity occurs when people don't allow themselves or others to experience hard emotions, quickly trying to move them to a "positive" place.
Joy requires going through difficulty and sometimes involves setting boundaries or doing hard things for long-term fulfillment, and boy is it worth it!
Links to references:
The Messy Middle | Pastor Desiree Elder | FCBCNYC
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What makes friendships last? The Besties have not only been blessed with their long-standing relationship, but have many others that are intact since elementary school.
They change, yes, but there are some key components that make them last. This week’s episode explores the boundaries, curations, and grace that are behind their friendship successes.
Some topics covered:
• Zero tolerance for gossip and strict confidentiality are core values in their friendship culture
• Learning when to offer validation versus objective perspective takes time in any relationship
• The "urgency of now" reminds us to prioritize meaningful connections in our later years
• A practical friendship filter: would you allow your children to spend time with this person?
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Besties Angella and Leslie bring you another episode in The Year of the Menopause series with the return of Dr Toni Otway, a Board Certified OB/GYN physician. She discusses that cardiovascular disease is the leading cause of death in women, yet the connection between menopause and heart health remains dangerously under-discussed. Dr. Otway explains how dropping estrogen levels during menopause dramatically increase women's heart disease risk.
• Estrogen protects cardiovascular health by keeping blood vessels flexible, reducing inflammation, and helping manage cholesterol
• Women's heart attack symptoms often differ from men's classic chest pain, presenting instead as fatigue, shortness of breath, or indigestion
• CDC reports 6% of women over 20 already show signs of cardiovascular disease
• Pregnancy complications like gestational diabetes and preeclampsia are significant risk factors for future heart disease
• Hormone replacement therapy offers cardiovascular benefits when started early in menopause transition
• Women must advocate for themselves against medical gaslighting and ensure doctors follow appropriate screening guidelines
• Prevention through lifestyle changes remains essential alongside appropriate medication when necessary
Don't forget to schedule your regular health screenings and pay attention to changes in your body – your heart health depends on it.
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https://www.njbwpa.com/
https://njnma.org/
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The Besties share their most surprising discoveries from their recent first trip to Panama. They reveal unexpected aspects of Panamanian life that weren't evident from their research before visiting, some are:
• Panama's modern, clean subway
• Spanish language proficiency is more essential than expected, especially outside tourist areas
• The extent of Panama City's skyline
• The Albrook Mall is massive and bustling, unlike many declining American shopping centers
• Strong Caribbean cultural influence evident in food, accents, and customs
• Diverse population with Spanish, indigenous, and Afro-Caribbean representation
• Extensive road and transportation infrastructure development underway
• Safe tap water in Panama City, unlike many other Latin American destinations
Stay tuned: they’re definitely going back to Panama soon to continue their exploration.
References in this episode:
Afro-Antillean Museum of Panama (Museo Afro-Antillano de Panama)
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Inspired by Rachel Martin's "Wild Card" podcast, this week, The Besties tackle questions they've never publicly addressed before, creating moments of both profound insight and lighthearted humor.
The episode unfolds with vulnerability as they explore, out loud, deeply personal remembrances like when they first realized their parents weren't infallible beings, when they first felt deep pride in themselves, and what beliefs they no longer hold.
What makes this exchange special is how they navigate these vulnerable territories—pushing each other toward growth while honoring boundaries, demonstrating the beautiful complexity of deep friendship between two sixty-something Black women who've witnessed each other's evolution through decades of life's challenges.
Their willingness to question long-held beliefs and share these journeys invites listeners to examine their own life perspectives and the relationships that have shaped them
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https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510379/wild-card-with-rachel-martin
Here’s a wonderful conversation with Wanda Sykes:
Wanda Sykes on why fear isn't a big deal, coming out when she was ready and her new stand-up special
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Two longtime friends, Lenora Norman & Tiffany Knotts share how they built an unexpected sisterhood through motorcycle riding and the creation of Smok’n Jewl’z Motorcycle Club. Their journey reveals how finding your passion can lead to deep connections, freedom, and joy at any age.
The Besties encourage you to find your thing, find your people, and live your joy. Life's too short not to embrace adventures that speak to your soul.
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Angella and Leslie explore how negative influences from their past unexpectedly became catalysts for success and personal growth. They reflect on how criticism and doubt from authority figures and partners shaped their determination rather than diminishing their spirit.
References mentioned in this episode:
Someone’s Thunder Podcast
Angela Pierce and Stephanie Klapper
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/angella-fraser-leslie-osei-tutu-of-black-boomer/id1551193017?i=1000614949405
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The Besties are still on their vacay so here’s another blast from the past. Originally aired in October 2023, our guest
Dr. Maria Sophocles, a Board-Certified OB-GYN and Medical Director of Women's Healthcare of Princeton, unveils shocking truths about female sexual health and pleasure that have been systematically ignored by medical education for centuries.
Angie was aghast by the fact that there is so much her generation was never taught about this unique part of our bodies:
- full anatomy of the clitoris wasn't correctly included in medical textbooks until 2005, reflecting how patriarchal values have influenced medical science
- It’s not a “tip” but an eight-centimeter organ with 15,000 nerve endings
- It is an organ solely designed by The Creator for pleasure
Tune in for even more “who knew!” revelations with Ang & Les, your favorite Besties!
More from Maria:
TED: What Happens to Sex in Midlife? A Look at the “Bedroom Gap” | Maria Sophocles | TED
https://youtu.be/alYBnyxMuPk?si=LxqY1IuXm71BSNbk
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Did you know that the Besties have another Bestie? It’s actor, comedian, author and coach Kim Coles. As the dear friend she is, she came onto Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn podcast when we were wee podcasters. So in celebration of her new podcast with her Living Single costar Erika Alexander, we thought we would replay our conversation with her when she closed out our first season.
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Judging by the Pilot | S1 E1 | ReLiving Single Podcasthttps://youtu.be/QLJYkF3b7QY?si=S4utV8iYcmkvN9rc
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Licensed Clinical Psychologist Dr. Kimani Norrington-Sands returns with co-host Social Worker Marissa Price to discuss their annual Job Liberation Summit, a virtual event designed to help Black women escape toxic workplaces on their own timeline with support and resources.
• Toxic jobs trigger our brain's fear response, preventing access to the areas of the brain needed for planning
• Chronic workplace stress causes physiologic harm which can lead to accelerated aging of organs
• Black women often stay in harmful jobs due to financial concerns or fear starting over
• The Job Liberation Summit provides comprehensive resources including financial exit planning, health insurance considerations, and retirement options
• Community support from other Black women provides validation and healing from workplace trauma
• Skills learned at the summit can be applied to other toxic situations beyond the workplace
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Leslie and Angella take you through their emotional journey at the Brooklyn Technical High School 45th reunion. This isn't just any school gathering – it's a celebration of one of America's premier STEM education institutions and the diverse bonds that have endured nearly half a century.
The most remarkable aspect? Watching a room filled with people from different racial, cultural, and political backgrounds leave their differences at the door and simply celebrate their shared history.
This heartwarming episode reminds us all that while time marches forward and our numbers gradually diminish, the connections formed in our youth can provide lifelong strength, joy, and perspective.
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We're together in person for this impromptu episode during our busy "Gala Week." Despite exhaustion, we're sharing updates as we prepare for our upcoming 45th Reunion from Brooklyn Technical High School.
- Brooklyn Tech is the largest high school in the United States
- Brooklyn Tech has produced six Nobel laureates and numerous distinguished graduates
- Our high school friendships have endured for nearly five decades
- We’re grateful for listener support that keeps us motivated to show up weekly
Stay tuned for next week's episode where we'll bring you the joy and memories from our Class of 1980 reunion celebrations!
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Angella and Leslie explore how our relationship with money evolves over time and how true wealth extends beyond financial success to include joy, freedom, and meaningful connections.
• Money as just one form of currency in our lives
• How entrepreneurship offers freedom beyond financial gain
• The shift in perspective that comes when basic financial needs are met
• Cultural expectations around money, especially for Black women
• Redefining generosity and learning to receive as well as give
• The tension between consumerism and finding contentment with less
• Finding value in emotional support, time, and care that money can't buy
We hope this conversation will cause you to think a little more deeply about what you're giving preeminence in your life, what you're expecting from others, and how to recognize the many forms of wealth that exist beyond one's bank account.
References mentioned in this episode:
Dr Kimani Norrington-Sands’ Job Liberation Summit
https://2025jobliberationsummit.heysummit.com/?ac=KmQBDvM5
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Leslie shares a recent experience of being the only Black person at two separate events—a Staten Island sports bar and a New Jersey fundraiser with over 300 attendees. This prompts a revealing conversation about racial segregation in America and the imbalance of cultural immersion between white and Black Americans.
• Black Americans constantly "swim in white waters" while white Americans rarely need to navigate Black spaces
• The myth of equivalence in self-segregation ignores power dynamics and demographic realities
• White people with only one Black friend often make that person the spokesperson for all Black people
• Discomfort in conversations about race should be embraced rather than avoided as it's where growth happens
• Black professionals often face different expectations and must "over-perform" to receive equal respect
• Discomfort in conversations about race should be embraced rather than avoided as it's where growth happens
https://onbeing.org/programs/robin-diangelo-and-resmaa-menakem-towards-a-framework-for-repair/
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In this episode, The Besties share their strategies for managing political anxiety through intentional actions rather than constant news consumption, discussing how they've transformed feelings of helplessness into empowerment through deliberate consumer choices and lifestyle decisions. They are:
• Stepping back from news consumption and financial monitoring to protect mental health
• Boycotting certain retailers, despite inconvenience, to support businesses that align with their values
• Promoting the Job Liberation Summit for Black Women (May 16-18, 2025), a comprehensive program designed to help escape toxic workplaces. The sessions feature experts Dr.Kimani Norrington-Sands, Stephanie Perry and Roshida Dowe among others
2025 Job Liberation Virtual Summit for Black Women
Early Bird tickets as low as $99
Dr. Rebecca Eldridge's Black Boomer Besties episode on stress management tools:
Self-Care Tools for Troubled Times w/ Dr Rebecca Eldredge
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The Year of Menopause returns with Dr. Toni Otway as she joins the Besties to explore different cultural ideologies of menopause.
• Western societies often frame menopause as women being "put out to pasture" after serving their reproductive purpose
• Many cultures including the Japanese, African, and Mayan societies celebrate menopause as a time for gaining wisdom and elevated social status
• Medical training historically provided minimal education about menopause, focusing only on biological aspects
• Western medicalization often creates anxiety that may worsen menopausal symptoms compared to cultures that embrace the transition
• The Year of Menopause series will continue breaking down menopause topics throughout 2025
Black Girl's Guide to Surviving Menopause
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Being a physician is Leslie’s calling; a gifting.
In this episode, she recounts a whirlwind weekend trip where she visited a recovering friend, and was reminded of a time years ago when she saved a friend’s life through medical intervention and advocacy.
Angella and Leslie emphasize the importance of knowing your gifts and using them to help others.
The conversation highlights the critical need for medical self-advocacy, especially for Black patients
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Leslie and Angella dismantle the myth that "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" by sharing powerful personal revelations about self-imposed limitations they've overcome in their decades-long friendship.
• Leslie shares how she loved convertible cars for years but never thought she could own one until a lightbulb moment changed everything
• The hosts discuss how we restrict ourselves from joy by assuming certain things aren't "for us"
• Angella reveals her journey to setting boundaries in friendships that don't align with her values
• Leslie opens up about her recent divorce and realized she was deserving of personal fulfillment in her marriage
• The liberation of taking time off work without apology and discovering nobody is indispensable
• The difference between fleeting happiness and deeper, more meaningful joy
• The most significant limitations on what we can do often come from our own minds
What are you restricting yourself from experiencing? What would bring joy to your life that you've convinced yourself isn't for you?
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Besties Leslie and Angella share exciting news about their upcoming live event in Raleigh, North Carolina, where they'll host a community conversation after a performance of "The Old Settler," a play originally performed by Felicia Rashad and Debbie Allen.
• Angella is the wig designer for the production directed by actor and author Moses T Alexander Greene.
• The play explores themes of love, survival and family dynamics in 1943 Harlem
• Leslie and Angella have different opinions about a key part of the play involving a May-December romance
The play runs March 14-16, with Leslie and Angella appearing live for the Actor Talkback on March 15 after the 2:00 PM performance
Come see the play and join our conversation at the Kennedy Theater in the Martin Marietta Performing Arts Center in Raleigh!
• Angella shares about her spontaneous trip to Maui and her philosophy of "yielding to the river" of life
• The women are planning their 45th Brooklyn Tech High School reunion, overcoming venue challenges
The Old Settler (2001)-Directed by Debbie Allen, starring Phylicia Rashad, Bumper Robinson & Debbie
https://youtu.be/2l6K2O-Ly9U?si=zLufX0Z_FAT47Wsw
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The episode discusses the complexities and beauty of being "a lot" in our lives and relationships. Angella and Leslie share personal experiences and insights into how this trait can be perceived both positively and negatively.
• Introduction to the theme of being “a lot”
• Exploration of personal definitions and meanings of being “a lot”
• Sharing experiences with friends and family regarding being “a lot”
• Conversations on the impact of being a lot in romantic relationships
• Reflections on societal views of “a lotness”
• Closing thoughts on embracing one’s identity and inviting feedback
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Love and compassion guide the conversation as Besties Leslie and Angella explore mental well-being with Dr. Rebecca Eldridge. Dr. Eldridge emphasizes that joy is not just a luxury but a critical component of well-being, especially in a time when many feel the emotional weight of societal issues.
This week’s discussion focuses on how to maintain emotional health amid political and social chaos, while emphasizing practical tools and mindfulness techniques.
• Importance of intentional news consumption
• Effects of societal pressures on mental health
• Privilege and its role in personal responsibility
• Navigating emotional turmoil through understanding
• Workshops designed for resilience and community support
• The central role of joy in achieving overall well-being
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From the intriguing show "Pop The Balloon and Find Love" to the traditional practices of arranged marriages, Besties Angella and Leslie discuss romantic relationships. They interject their own stories, and skepticisms, and challenge the notion that longevity equals happiness while examining the impact of true love versus societal obligations. The conversation takes a deep dive into the heart of compatibility and how profound questions can sometimes be answered in the most unexpected moments.
• Discussing the new dating show and its intriguing premise
• Comparing arranged and love marriages' longevity and happiness
• Exploring the difficulty in defining love and expectations
• Reflecting on compatibility questions that matter in relationships
• Sharing personal insights on online dating and its challenges
Ep 36: Pop The Balloon Or Find Love | With Arlette Amuli
https://youtu.be/ir-HnZSAnIE?si=BDaAIzrH0Bkt2ZQz
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This episode of Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn features two guests who offer insights into the often-misunderstood topic of menopause. Besties Angella and Leslie introduce Dr. Toni Otway and Dr. Damali Campbell, two physicians who recognized the need to dispel myths and challenge societal misperceptions around menopause.
They conceived The Year of the Menopause- a series of lectures and webinars designed to provide education, awareness and a safe space for discussion of this often misunderstood life cycle. The Year of The Menopause will address the influences of patriarchal societies and historical neglect of the topic in medical education with an emphasis on community support and self-advocacy in healthcare.
New Jersey Black Women Physicians Association: https://www.njbwpa.com/
New Jersey Medical Association: https://njnma.org/
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Could a 15 minute sermon provide a balm for our politically divided times? Besties Angella and Leslie believe it just might. The Besties explore Episcopal Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde's courageous message delivered during this year’s presidential inaugural prayer service. Her sermon was a rallying call for unity and her deep reflections on the teachings of Jesus Christ struck a powerful chord with Angie and Lez, even as they sparked criticism from the incoming president and many of his followers.
They believe Bishop Budde's sermon, dismissed and mischaracterized by some, stands as a testament to the enduring principles of love, mercy and unity they hold dear. Budde’s words of hope and guidance deserve to be heard in their entirety to appreciate the profound impact they can have.
"Have Mercy": Watch Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde's Sermon Challenging Trump at Inaugural Servicehttps://youtu.be/gNfrbAztlcs?si=iyUWaprfPGP8fhZA
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In this week’s episode, The Besties discovered that a new, yet unused, yellow Schwinn bike harbored a lesson about life's unexpected attachments and the difficulty of letting things go. It was Leslie’s turn to attempt the difficult task of decluttering and emptying her storage unit so she solicited Ange’s help. Afterall, Angie had just cleared out her unit so who would be better to show Les how it was done. And it wasn’t easy.
With Angella's stern but pragmatic approach, and unwavering support, the ladies balance fond memories with the practical need to simplify their lives.
Their humorous stories underline the importance of small steps and the value of seeking help to get unstuck. Through laughter and shared experiences, they hope to inspire you to not only break free from clutter—both physical and financial—but to embrace the changes that promise a brighter, more organized future.
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Starting a YouTube channel in your 60s might sound daunting, but what if it could lead to newfound freedom and self-discovery?
The Besties encourage older folks to start a podcast or YouTube like this 62 year old did
Take My JourneyStarting a YouTube Channel at 62. Am I Crazy!https://youtu.be/-ROSryh65XE?si=QHGuKjilCB9nu55N
Here are 5 positive things The Besties’ learned:
- Things are gonna be scary until you try them
- Being bold in one area of your life will impact other areas
- It takes time and money
- It’s an opportunity to leave a legacy
- It’s a labor of love
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**Leslie woke up one morning, went in to work and said to her boss, “I need a break, I’m going to take several months off”. As a full time anesthesiologist she put aside concerns of what her absence would do to the busy OR schedule or the pinch her colleagues would experience being on call. What she knew (for sure) was that she was fatigued, her mind was distracted, her body was rebelling and she had never taken an extended break from work in her over twenty year career.
In this episode of Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn Leslie describes to her Bestie Angella what it felt like to direct her caring spirit inward- to wake up late without her usual to-do list, spend time with friends and loved ones, travel and contemplate what retirement might actually feel like.On her first day back to the operating room Leslie immediately felt back at home and recalled why medicine is truly her calling. Her time away from the demands of doctoring showed her that she really missed being away and that balancing a busy career with personal well-being is not only possible but essential. She could certainly see herself moving toward retirement- just no time soon.
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Angella dishes about her recent “date”, her house-sitting adventure in Los Angeles. She and her adventurous sister swapped plans for a trip to Mexico for a local escapade instead, finding joy in the simple pleasures of life in a beautiful home and area of LA with a sweet dog (it was all love!)
She described the transformative potential of house-sitting as a way to experience life in new places, both locally and abroad. The TrustedHousesitters app provides a gateway to affordable travel, new experiences and an unconventional way to embark on global adventures.
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Get ready for a Master Class that is perfectly timed to position you for financial success in the new year. This week Besties Angella and Leslie introduce you to two guests who bring a dynamic thought-provoking discussion about their upcoming webinar. Drs. Kimani Norrington-Sands and Rosche Brown are psychologists who lead the charge for Black women against toxic work environments by unlocking the secrets to financial and emotional freedom. Their upcoming Masterclass promises to arm you with tools, information and strategies to tackle the fear of leaving toxic jobs, craft personalized financial exit plans, and stride confidently toward independence.
The conversation is sprinkled with the usual Besties humor as the guests peel back the layers of identity intertwined with careers, exploring how societal pressures keep many Black women tethered to jobs that drain rather than sustain and empower.
The Masterclass is a two day (Jan 8 & 9) online webinar that will leave you ready and prepared to face the challenges of managing your money while you contemplate a career change.
**This week’s episode is a treasure trove for anyone ready to reclaim their narrative, prioritize well-being, and embrace the power of financial liberation.
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Imagine navigating almost five decades of friendship without needing to explicitly say "I'm sorry". Besties Angella and Leslie give you a view of their unique connection where grace and understanding have forged a path through conflicts without the need for conventional exchange of apologies. Inspired by Malcolm Gladwell's TED Talk, "The Tipping Point I Got Wrong," they reflect on the art of apologizing and how it intertwines with accepting responsibility for being wrong.
Gladwell’s talk centers on his previous endorsement of the former NYC Police Department policy referred to as Stop and Frisk where between 2003 and 2013, over 100,000 stops were made per year. It became the subject of a racial-profiling lawsuit because 90% of those stopped were Black & Latino. In his talk, Gladwell admits that his prior comments about the policy were wrong and offers an “apology”.
Besties Angella and Leslie dissect the components of an apology and critique the common tendency to prioritize self-justification over genuine remorse. They examine their own relationship and appreciate the supportive environment they’ve cultivated over 46 years.
The Tipping Point I Got Wrong | Malcolm Gladwell | TED
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Get out your travel docs because the Besties are taking you on a trip. Angella is beginning to realize her travel dreams of circling the world and ‘dating a city” by accepting a house-sitting opportunity on the West coast. Inspired by the Exodus Summit community and the chance to “bop around the world” (as Stephanie Perry puts it), she explains her excitement around using house and pet sitting as a chance to explore remote locations and scope out her future life living abroad.
In this episode Angella and Leslie discuss the logistics of such a move and some of the benefits that come with it- cultural immersion, living like a local and saving on the cost of luxury accommodations.
As usual, the Besties discussion turns comedic as Leslie recalls some of her international ‘adventures’- a terrifying horseback ride up a volcano in Guatemala and a recent trip to a rainforest in Costa Rica where she described thumb sized beetles flying around her head.
With plenty of humor, curiosity, and a touch of wanderlust, this episode is a vibrant invitation to consider the enriching world of house-sitting and the friendships it may forge along the way.
TrustedHousitters
Exodus Summit
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In her enlightening book The Afrominimalist’s Guide to Living With Less, Christine Platt invites us to imagine a world in which we curate a life of intention free of clutter and chaos (but not the monochromatic, rigid guidelines often linked to the Euro-centric minimalism)
This week, Besties Angella and Leslie consider the question of whether embracing Afrominimalism could transform not just their living spaces, but their entire perspectives on their lives. They wonder if, as Platt suggests, downsizing may provide a path to deeper understanding and cultural empowerment and that by moving to smaller spaces that path may be made clearer.
Angella also gives us an update on an exciting house sitting opportunity that she is about to begin. She sees this trip as an opportunity to ‘date’ a new city in her quest to travel around and possibly relocate abroad.
The Afrominimalist's Guide to Living With Less by Christine Platt
TrustedHousesitters
ExodUS Summit
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Besties Angella and Leslie wonder why they hold on to things they don’t actually need. All the ‘stuff’ that fills their homes, their closets and too often their expensive storage units. Angella describes her painful experience with downsizing and ultimately losing items that once anchored her and her family. Leslie, on the other hand, is at the beginning of that very journey - trying to navigate moving about in multiple locations while also saying goodbye to a larger more accommodating home. They speak of the emotional toil created by the over abundance of physical possessions and how it often gives rise to a mental heaviness and unease.
**As usual, the Besties weave a poignant conversation with a humorous one as they consider a “Marie Kondo” style purge to tackle the clutter they’ve accumulated over the years. They describe resisting thrift store temptations and the reality check of necessary financial restraint. They resolve to clear the physical and mental clutter that bogs them down and look forward in the next episode to a deeper examination of the psychology of consumerism, accumulation and collecting and why they find it so difficult to live a more minimalist existence.
They really did Angi very wrong! Bolton Estate Cleanout & Sales*The Afrominimalist's Guide to Living With Less by Christine Platt* ExodUS Summit 2025 - The Path Abroad for Black Women**Glamazini: How I plan my year
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**How do you reconcile feelings of belonging and alienation in a country that seems to shift beneath your feet? This week, Besties Angella and Leslie are joined by guest Elizabeth Jenkins - the most recent honorary Bestie - as she opens up about the emotional turmoil of recent political events and the deep impact this climate has had on her mental health.
The ladies mull over the complexities of identity and the quest for peace in a society that often feels oppressive and unrelenting. They wrestle with the emotional strain of constantly being on guard, weighing the internal conflict between staying in the US to fight for change and seeking refuge in simpler, less pressured environments abroad.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/06/40-acres-and-a-lie/
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**Leslie has been feeling quite tired lately. Actually, she would say she was exhausted. It was so bad that for only the first time in more than 20 years she overslept for work. For Leslie, an anesthesiologist, oversleeping means that there is a surgeon, staff of nurses and a patient being delayed and waiting for her. She came up with what she saw as a simple solution- she would buy an alarm clock. When her bestie Angella heard of this plan, she at first listened incredulously then burst out laughing. While Leslie at first didn’t know what was so funny, the conversation that ensued turned quite serious and thought provoking.
What if an alarm clock isn’t the answer to a chaotic schedule but instead requires a closer look at how you're managing a stressful time in your life? The Besties’ banter, representing a nearly 50 year friendship, is more than just fun and games; it reveals the layers of support, grace and humor that keeps their friendship strong and resilient. Their candid conversation highlights the importance of recognizing one's limits and the power of self-care, reminding us that rest and rejuvenation are not just luxuries, but necessities.
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**What happens when your country’s political decision leaves you feeling anxious and uncertain? In this episode of Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn Angella and Leslie recount personal feelings of navigating the emotional aftermath of the 2024 US presidential election. Angella describes how she found solace in the power of community, connecting with like-minded women through a chat group, highlighting the importance of vulnerability and honesty in maintaining supportive networks.
Leslie shared that her voting strategy integrated consideration of the welfare of vulnerable populations, revealing how personal needs and preferences do not have to be divorced from what she believed to be her civic responsibility. During this particular time of stress The Besties discuss the transformative healing power of stepping out of comfort zones-to discover how small moments of joy and connection can be a lifeline amidst times and feelings of chaos.
Angella’s son Isaiah's insights on basketball serve as a metaphor for this being an opportunity for readiness and resilience, reminding us of the delicate balance between action and reflection. This episode and all previous episodes are available on YouTube. Please join our Besties Quad Squad as a Patreon subscriber at the $5 or $10 monthly level. You'll receive exclusive behind-the-scenes content.
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Besties Angella and Leslie are outraged when they come across an image of a T-shirt worn by former Pittsburgh Steelers player Le’Veon Bell labeling Vice President Kamala Harris as a tramp. They discuss this offensive wardrobe choice and how it serves as a disturbing reminder of the persistent stereotypes and unrealistic expectations placed on Black women. They unpack these issues, urging a re-examination of how character and values are portrayed, especially within our own communities.
The conversation takes a deeper dive into the complexities and limitations of stereotypes, particularly those associated with Black women and political figures like Kamala Harris and how these stereotypes obscure the rich nuances of individual identities and perpetuate misleading narratives. It’s a rich conversation for sure, one that you’ll want to share with folks whose opinions you care about.
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What if you could start a life transformation by "dating a city"? Consider that intriguing idea inspired by The Exodus Summit, a virtual conference co-founded by Stephanie Perry and Rashida Dowe designed to empower Black women to embrace the possibilities of global living. In this episode of Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn, Angella shares her experience of attending this year’s Exodus Summit, and how the event sparked a reimagining for her of life living beyond the US borders. She speaks excitedly about some of the sessions she attended and introduced Leslie to the benefits of downsizing through Christine Platt's "The Afro Minimalist's Guide to Living with Less**." With the arrival of her newest niece, baby Sonia Minnette, Angella describes the rich family legacy behind the name Minette, which links to her Costa Rican ancestry- providing further impetus for her to consider Costa Rica as a possible future landing spot. As the Besties approach their two-year podcast anniversary, they find themselves in a reflective mood, revisiting the themes of personal growth and intellectual curiosity that provided the impetus to starting the podcast in the first place.
Exodus Summit: Expert advice on moving abroad NOW! | Black Women Abroad
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Besties Angella and Leslie contrast recent interviews with authors Coleman Hughes and Ta-Nehisi Coates in which they discuss their respective books dealing with racial politics, racism and identity.
In his 2024 book, The End of Race Politics: Arguments for a Colorblind America, Hughes discusses the possibilities and implications of a ‘colorblind’ America while in The Message, Coates describes his trips to three global regions and the chasm between written narratives and often harsh realities.
Angella and Leslie consider and contrast two recent interviews with these authors: One now viral one with Ta-Nehisi interviewed by CBS journalist Tony Dokoupil, the other was Coleman Hughes’ interview on the podcast On Point with Meghna Chakrabarti.
The episode underscores the benefit of framing questions with curiosity and respect, highlighting how the art of interviewing can either bridge or divide our grasp of contentious issues like racial and national identity or the legitimacy of political boundaries.
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Have you ever wondered what it takes to reinvent yourself after decades of sticking to the same roles and routines? Besties Angella and Leslie, inspired by Dana Findwell's compelling video, "Not Too Late to Start Over: Finding Purpose After 40, 50, 60, or at Any Age**," walk you through the exhilarating yet challenging experience of embracing new things at any age.
The ladies unravel some of the fears and anxieties that come with stepping into the unknown and encourage inquisitive older women to leverage their wisdom and skills as a springboard for new adventures. The conversation touches on embracing change and finding joy by venturing into the unfamiliar with boldness and curiosity.*Juiced Smoothie Bar & Spoken Word* This episode and all previous episodes are available on YouTube. Please join our Besties Quad Squad as a Patreon subscriber at the $5 or $10 monthly level. You'll receive exclusive behind-the-scenes content.**
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**Listener feedback from our YouTube channel to the Bestie’s previous episode on Colorism was so engaging that Angella and Leslie felt compelled to revisit their conversation and discuss a few of the online responses. They dive deep into some of the language around colorism, for example “fair-skinned”, “good-hair” and the “one-drop rule” and wonder if such terms unintentionally uphold harmful beauty standards.
The listener comments are provocative and lend themselves to an examination of cultural perceptions and how elements of colorism are varied across global contexts. This episode promises to inspire reflection and action, especially for those eager to understand the profound dynamics of race and identity.
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Angella has written a juicy and joyful eBook called “We’re Too Old for This Shit: The Inquisitive Older Woman’s Guide to More Joy’.
It begins with a bold reminder that older women are ready and the time to put joy front & center is now:
…as mature women, we literally are too old for some of the draining things we still allow to loom large in our life.
We’re too experienced, too accomplished, too wise, too evolved, and lived too much of our lives to tolerate another day of deferring our joy…
The Book is full of expansive yet practical tips for creating a life that centers the joy - the deep well of fulfillment and satisfaction - that we’ve earned.
Women often bear the weight of familial responsibilities while sacrificing personal happiness in the process. The Besties challenge the idea of sacrifice as a badge of honor and advocate for finding joy through self-awareness. By using techniques like the "five whys," they explore how to uncover the root causes of our actions and beliefs, leading to a more personalized approach to contentment. The episode wraps up with heartwarming stories about new friendships and the value of honesty and self-awareness in personal growth. Don't miss the heartfelt practical insights on living a joy-filled life.
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As a child, Leslie's great-grandmother habitually scrubbed the knees and elbows of her and her siblings at bathtime in hope of banishing the darker areas of their bodies. Ouch! and WTF!
Nana Lena, born in the early 1900s, experienced first hand the societal advantages of being a Black woman with a lighter skin tone. She believed it right and proper to afford her beloved great grands the same opportunities. Judge her as you may, she was a product of her lived experience and the societal hierarchy of the time.
In this episode, The Besties take a provocative look at colorism; challenging the definition itself and the appropriateness of their role - as two less melanated Black people - to critically discuss a system where their spot on the complexion spectrum is more privileged. Should this be rightfully left to folks on the darker, more negatively impacted, side of the gradient?
Referencing a YouTube video
Jubilee: Light Skin & Dark Skin | Middle Groundhttps://youtu.be/6a1LuxEGl9o?si=nci8mbj3CzW2ySkB
Angella and Leslie draw attention to the complex relationship between colorism and racism. Is "we're all Black people" akin to “all lives matter”? While at the same time acknowledging both their privileged and painful personal memories from the characterization of the “redbone”, “light-skin”, “fair-skin” girl.
Join The Besties for uncommon candor about usually covert conversations about colorism.
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The Besties take you on a journey back to a cherished time in their lives when they were children being doted on by their grandparents. Leslie grew up in Brooklyn in a brownstone where up to five generations lived at one time whereas Angella recalls fond early years in Jamaica being loved and cared for by her grandparents. This is a nostalgic episode full of funny memories, family dynamics and the budding cultural awareness of the 60s. They even share stories about how they each were introduced to coffee.
Angella and Leslie transition to exploring the legacies that they may be leaving for future generations and how they might want to be remembered. They conclude that as they themselves become elders they acknowledge their obligation to impart information, guidance, and pass on traditions to their families.
Oliver Samuels
Marcus Garvey
Black Power Movement
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Back in the day (that’s in the mid-70s for Leslie & Angie), Saturday mornings meant cartoons interspersed cereal commercials and Schoolhouse Rock. Schoolhouse Rock is a series of educational cartoons with catchy songs that made learning things like science, math, and civics fun and made the information stick.
As political discourse increases around the impending 2024 election, The Besties recall a childhood where knowing civics was expected, and made easier by ditties such as “The Preamble” from Schoolhouse Rock.Those foundational lessons continue to influence their understanding of civics rights and responsibilities, and why voter suppression is a particular pet peeve.
The goal? To inspire proactive engagement and vigilance in the electoral process, emphasizing the critical role it plays at the state and local levels.
Reference links:
“The Preamble” from Schoolhouse Rock
https://www.fairfight.com/
https://vot-er.org/
Allen Lichtman's 13 Keys to the White House
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The Besties celebrate rejecting societal norms and embracing their true selves.
This episode delves into the complexities of body image, especially within the Black community, and how societal and cultural perceptions shape our self-esteem.
By prioritizing joy and self-compassion over dieting, Ang has begun to experience a deeper love for her body, just the way it is, without the need to cover up or limit her wardrobe choices. Les knows how big a shift this is for Ang, and as always, roots enthusiastically for her bestie.
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**This episode is a rebroadcast of a previously aired recording from 2022, around the time the Besties started their podcast. It is revisited this week as a reminder of the importance of embracing flexibility, stepping out on faith and having the courage to make life altering changes. The message remains as timely now as it had been two years ago.
Original Notes:**
During a roller coaster work situation, Angella felt increasing discontent about giving a select few decision-making power over her livelihood. So she took a leap of faith into entrepreneurship. Big pivots are inherently risky but sometimes when you know, you just know. Listen again to her story about the empowerment she felt in leaving a 30 year corporate IT career. After nearly 20 years at one of the world's top tech companies she has become founder and CEO of HeadSpace NC, a beauty and advocacy company.
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**Can you imagine Leslie on a pommel horse? This week’s Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn kicks off with some fun banter about the speed of current events, namely the closing of the 2024 Paris Olympics. Of course The Besties have opinions. In particular about gymnast Jordan Chiles’ lost bronze medal and the performance of the Australian breakdancer Rachel Gunn.
Cultural appropriation, misappropriation, and privilege enters the conversation to take the listener deeper (because that’s what The Besties do).
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Something has been nagging Ang. She just couldn’t let go of a listener's question from The Besties’ live guest spot on Dr. Kimani Norrington-Sands' @liftingasweclimbconsulting; “How do you know what your joy is?” A spark of insight surfaced during her Morning Writing and, of course, she took it to her bestie, Les.
Most people have felt at some point that they don’t quite fit in; do you tend to see a bigger goal or wonder why risks are ignored when it’s an obviously bad decision? The feeling has a consistent thread across various groups (family, friends, or colleagues, etc), time, or circumstances. Well, Ang thinks that it’s more of a knowing than a feeling, and that it may be a clue to where your joy is. As always, Les is willing to indulge her pal’s hypothesis.
In their signature style of mixing humor with insight, The Besties discuss the possibility that the feeling may be a gateway to uncovering what truly brings you joy. This episode is a celebration of the quirky and unique aspects of who you are.
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Can the relentless pursuit of excellence be more performative than purposeful? In the continued conversation with NC Poet Laureate Jaki Shelton Green, the Besties inquire about Jaki’s views on the Black Excellence archetype with the hopes and realism placed on the potential of a Kamala Harris presidency. Reflecting on her personal journey and her mother's wisdom, Jaki challenges the notion of seeking external validation and illuminates the importance of finding joy in oneself. The discussion examines the societal expectations and classism that can be pervasive within Black communities, providing a nuanced critique of what excellence means today.
Jaki recounts her enriching experiences as a young creative with icons like Amiri Baraka, Sonia Sanchez, and Audre Lorde. Their mentorship and camaraderie have shaped her path, highlighting the past and present dynamics of literary communities. As traditional spaces become more fragmented, Jaki underscores the importance of creating inclusive spaces for literary expression. Additionally, she introduces us to her unique Human Museum project, which has sparked enthusiasm among her peers and challenges us to think about how we curate our own life's artifacts.
The episode wraps up with an invitation to listeners to write a letter to the curator of their own human museum, encouraging reflection on personal narratives. We celebrate Jaki's collaborative exhibit "The Communion of White Dresses" and tease the exciting possibilities of future creative retreats aimed at fostering community among Black women.
This episode is a heartfelt journey through art, history, and the creation of personally meaningful spaces.
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What happens when you blend the voices of wisdom, resilience, and poetic brilliance? You get an unforgettable episode of "Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn" featuring Jaki Shelton Green, the ninth Poet Laureate of North Carolina. In this powerful conversation, Ms Shelton Green, the first African-American and third woman to hold this prestigious title, shares her journey, inspirations, and reads her evocative poem, "Daughters of this Dust." Her words set a profound tone, inviting us into a space of reflection and empowerment.
Truth-telling takes center stage as the discussion turns to Kamala Harris's presidential candidacy and what it means for Black women everywhere. Is relocating abroad a form of escape or a quest for joy and safety? The exploration doesn't shy away from the hard questions, addressing the systemic issues of racism, sexism, and ageism that affect Black people.
Our discussion on Black Women Empowerment and Responsibility reveals the intricate connection between physical and emotional health, and how stress manifests in our bodies.
The imagery of burning fields to yield vibrant wildflowers serves as a metaphor for transformation and renewal, reminding us of the power and resilience inherent in Black women.
This episode promises not just to inform, but to inspire and galvanize action.
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What if redefining your life could be as simple as relocating to a new country?
Besties Leslie and Angella provide an update on the motivations and experiences that have led them to consider moving abroad. Leslie recalls her eye-opening trip to Costa Rica, offering insights into the expat lifestyle and the profound differences between being a tourist and a resident. They consider critical aspects like healthcare, community structure, and government priorities, contrasted by the particular challenges of being Black in America.
Angella dives into the conversation with an update on a North Carolina chapter of the ExodUS Summit group, underscoring their collective longing for a better quality of life outside of the United States. She reflects on their African origins and the idea of exploring countries like Liberia, which holds a rich historical significance for people of African descent. Personal anecdotes from their travels to Ghana and Mexico City serve to challenge and shatter common misconceptions about African and Latin American nations.
Join them for a conversation that promises to inspire and provoke thoughtful consideration of a life beyond familiar borders.
As promised, real size of Africa:
https://www.discovermagazine.com/environment/finally-a-world-map-that-doesnt-lie
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Note: This episode was planned, recorded and scheduled to air prior to the alleged assassination attempt on candidate and former President Trump on July 13, 2024.
Angella and Leslie challenge conventional beliefs about the intersection of faith and politics, comparing them to what they see as a troubling trend. Inspired by a thought-provoking YouTube video from the Midas Touch channel, "New Turn the Tables on Trump Expose Movement" featuring Politics Girl, they detail their own Christian journeys and discuss the metaphor of faith as a mansion with many rooms. The Besties share their personal experiences of loving Christ in their own ways and they reflect on some of their struggles- from church hurt to hypocrisy, within some faith communities.
Moreover, Angella and Leslie discuss what appears to be an evolution of traditional Christian Evangelism toward white nationalism. They point out the discordance between the Biblical depiction of a loving God who commands us to love thy neighbor with the exclusionary, often racially biased cohort or views the Republican candidate as the next Messiah.
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What if the history of your neighborhood was being erased right before your eyes? Join Besties Angella and Leslie for an enlightening conversation with the remarkable Carmen Wimberley Cauthen, an esteemed author, historian, and activist who takes us on a journey through her personal experiences of segregation and desegregation in Raleigh, NC. While Carmen sheds light on the persistent impacts of gentrification in Raleigh, her commitment to preserving Black culture is evident in her book, "Historic Black Neighborhoods of Raleigh," and in her extensive work with the NC General Assembly.
Discover how Carmen uses community engagement and social media to collect history and inform future progress. The episode confronts the harsh realities of gentrification and its effects on historically Black neighborhoods. She unpacks how systemic racism, Jim Crow laws, and restrictive covenants have shaped these communities resulting in limited mobility and perpetual segregation.
As Carmen continues her mission to honor Black family history and legacy, we celebrate these efforts and emphasize the need to ensure that progress does not erase the cultural and historical fabric of our communities. Join us for this powerful episode and be inspired by Carmen's dedication to historical preservation and activism.
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In this episode, Angella and Leslie introduce you to former postpartum doula, Gayle L. Walker, the powerhouse behind the company Life Doula, LLC. Life Doula is Gayle’s brainchild that emerged after the convergence of several formidable life experiences: retiring as a nurse for the US Navy, supporting a close friend and her family after they welcomed their first child and caring for caregivers faced with making sense of (and room for) their parents’ belongings.
While she was serving in these situations, Gayle noted the emergence of a common theme: effective organization and decluttering created space- mentally, emotionally, and physically.
Gayle shares practical strategies and emotional insights about downsizing and letting go of possessions, drawing from personal anecdotes like the challenge of parting with her decades old military uniforms.
Tune in to The Besties this week and learn how to create space for joy and order in your own life and discover the freedom that comes with a more organized, purposeful living environment.
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**In recognition of Pride Month, Angie candidly shares how she arrived at challenging her default gender-based dating norms.
The practical question of which box to choose on a dating app unlatched the gate of the assumption that romantic love would always and only be with a man.
In typical Besties fashion, a provocative conversation unfolds delving in the intersection of their Christian faith, societal norms, aging, and life’s yet unmet desires.
Through it all, Angella and Leslie emphasize the importance of continuous self-discovery and the rejection of societal pressures to conform.
If you’re expecting simplistic declarations about LGBTQIA labels, you won’t find it here . What you will find is one Black 61-year old woman’s liberation journey to love as it relates to gender.
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Do people always put forth their best effort? This episode of Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn begins with Angella sharing a personal story about selling her son's car and the complications that arose when the buyer delayed payment. It sparked a compelling debate between her and Leslie about whether people genuinely do their best or if skepticism is warranted. With candor and humor, they navigate the murky waters of trust, human behavior, intentions and accountability.
Is striving for excellence always necessary, or is good enough sometimes good enough? Through passionate anecdotes and societal observations, they explore what it means to put forth one's best effort and when it's okay to be intentionally just ‘adequate’. From parenting moments to career commitments, they explore the situations that truly warrant one's full attention. The "rubber or glass" analogy, for example, helped them reflect on the events and tasks that may have lasting impact versus those that one can bounce back from with minimal effect.
Angella and Leslie recognize that forgiveness and belief in people's best intentions are not merely abstract concepts rather they may be emotional landmines. Ange recounted the experience of unblocking someone she had previously cut off, choosing to offer grace rather than condemnation.
In closing, The Besties posit that time will likely reveal the true nature of someone's efforts (or lack thereof). They decide that it may be better to be less judgmental and choose to acknowledge a better side of human behavior.
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Leslie and Angella reunite after what seemed like ages. Leslie has been traveling outside of the country for the past several weeks while Angella is on the west coast in Oregon supporting the relocation of her youngest son. It seems like this young man is well on his way to adulting- lucrative new job in his chosen field, great first apartment overlooking the Columbia River and his eyes set on a beautiful new muscle car (taking after his Dodge-loving Mom).
Leslie, on the other hand, has returned all tanned and (somewhat) relaxed from two weeks in Costa Rica. She went out on a recognizance mission of sorts in search of possible relocation venues while Ange frequently interjected, reminding her to make sure to include her in any future plans. The Costa Rica trip took Leslie and friends from the northwestern Guanacaste region, through the more central Arenal Volcano in La Fortuna, further to the capitol in San Jose, then to the rainforest in Tortuguera.
The experience in the rainforest was certainly unforgettable. Soaking rainstorms, howling monkeys, clothing that never dries, beautiful birds and animals, and bugs and beetles that were truly terrifying. Leslie described the boat rides required to get to their lodging and her experience staying in a screened treehouse during her stay.
Leslie’s favorite, and less frightening, venue was in Costa Rica’s southeastern region of Limon in the town of Puerto Viejo. There she was able to relax and commune with the region's Caribbean food and flair.
The episode ends with Leslie reassuring her bestie that wherever she may decide to relocate to, she’ll be sure to make it a trip for two.
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Ever wonder what it takes to plan a high school reunion that spans 45 years? The Besties do! They’ve been part of the 1980 Class Reps for several decades. In this episode, they share the laughter, challenges, and heartfelt moments of organizing Brooklyn Technical High School's Class of 80’s reunions. You'll get an insider's look at the dedication and camaraderie of our reunion committee. From merging diverse ideas to coordinating logistics for classmates coming from around the world, and, despite the COVID pandemic forcing the cancellation of the 40th, they’re gearing up to make next April's 45th celebration the most memorable one yet.
The Besties take you on a nostalgic ride through the rich diversity that defined their high school experience - with Americans, recent and first generation immigrants from Russia, Italy, Japan, China, The Caribbean, South America, Greece, and beyond. All coming of age together in gritty and growing 1980s downtown Brooklyn, NY; enjoying the unique freedom navigating New York City subways & buses without the hovering parental approach of today.
Though the demographics of the school is currently vastly different, their old school reunions exemplify the enduring spirit of inclusivity that continues to bring us all together, reunion after reunion.
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With so much to be grateful and excited about, the Besties’ latest chat opens up with a celebration of Angie’s youngest's HBCU university graduation with high honors, a testament to the power of hard work, prayer, and an amazing village.
But that's just the start. The Besties reminisce about their cherished family traditions, now taking new shapes as their children carve out their own paths. Then Leslie shares her preparations for an upcoming 5K walk in support of the New Jersey Sharing Network, a federally designated non-profit Organ Procurement Organization.
Leslie successfully challenged herself to go way beyond the modest initial goal and her supporters did not disappoint! Knee troubles be damned, she joined her son and Deputy Mayor Ellen Zimmerman at the starting line to ring the starting bell.
So join your Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn, as they count their blessings, and step into the excitement of making a meaningful difference, one stride at a time.
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Adrienne Keane is a colleague turned dear friend to Angella, and a long-time fan of this podcast.
She recently completed her 13th marathon and is a member of the elite World Marathon Majors having completed the six greatest marathons: Boston, NY, Chicago, Berlin, London, and Tokyo.
Her 13th marathon was this past April but it is the first in which she completed as a para athlete.
In this episode, you’ll be enamored and inspired by Adrienne’s journey from losing her arm to cancer at age 8 through her successful career and her long stays in Spain.
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Have you ever felt like the very job that's supposed to empower you is the one chipping away at your soul?
Psychologist Dr. Kimani Norrington-Sands joins The Besties to shed light on the harsh realities Black women often encounter in toxic work environments. Her journey from a stifling workplace to a thriving private practice is a testament to the resilience and fortitude it takes to reclaim one's professional life. In this week’s episode they delve into the tools and strategies she's developed to guide women towards careers that celebrate respect and personal fulfillment.
Dr Kimani’s Job Liberation Virtual Summit May 18-19 and Black Women Healing from Toxic Jobs Coaching Program are beacons of hope, providing a roadmap for those ready to pivot away from negativity and towards a future work environment they deserve.
In the usual Besties fashion, the conversation with Dr. Kimani goes beyond the surface, unraveling the psychological toll and the importance of recognizing the signs of an oppressive job. She shares actionable advice on crafting an exit strategy that doesn't just focus on leaving, but on landing safely—mentally and financially. It's a reminder that self-respect is non-negotiable and that empowerment begins the moment you start putting yourself first.
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In the last episode of Season 7, the Besties and guest Carla Forte, Licensed Clinical Social Worker & IT Manager, are getting real about the intersections of identity, career, and the audacity to be our authentic selves.
Carla's choice to rock her natural gray hair at the office after over 2 yrs of wigs & weaves, wasn't just about style—it was a bold declaration of self. Her story is emblematic of a journey many of us understand deeply.
From her pivot from IT to social work and back again, Carla Forte's experiences unfold like a masterclass in adaptability, reminding us all that the paths we walk are rarely straight but often lead to profound destinations.
Carla's self-acceptance and the wider implications on body awareness offer a refreshing perspective on the beauty of growing older and the importance of self-care. We're not just talking about surface-level changes; we're delving into the heart of what it means to align your work with your passion, to seek fulfillment beyond the paycheck, and to leverage support systems within our communities
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When Leslie listened to a podcast that discussed the role of a death doula she was intrigued. She was accustomed to the ins and outs of establishing an estate plan, but the work of a death doula was completely foreign. Is the concept new to you?
The Besties tuned in to a recent episode of Dr Joy Harden Bradford’s Therapy for Black Girls podcast and they learned about Alua Arthur and the company she founded Going With Grace. Ms Arthur is a Death Doula, a practitioner who honors the closing chapter of our lives by handling things that most people don't even realize (or pretend not to know)) is necessary.
Beyond having a will or an Advanced Directive, do your loved ones know your passwords to unlock your digital lives? A Death Doula guides you through a journey that goes beyond the clinical, delving into cultural legacies and weaving a narrative that respects our final days while eliminating many of the burdens faced by surviving family members.
Navigating the waters of end-of-life planning can be daunting, yet it's a journey we must all prepare for. A death doula may be your most lasting gift in death that you give to the living.
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Ever wondered how you'll be spending your days when you're 90? Leslie was fascinated by The 90+ Study conducted at UC Irvine so in this episode the Besties went in.
In 2003, investigators began to look at “the oldest-old” in one of the largest studies of this group of people ever conducted, to determine the factors contributing to longevity. One of the fascinating findings included a participant who was seemingly resistant to the outward signs of Alzheimer's disease (e.g. memory loss, cognitive decline) even though his autopsied brain showed clear markers of the disease.
The Besties discuss the likelihood that adoption of Health 2.0 influenced behaviors described by Peter Attia proactive strategies for longevity, like planning for our future wellness, might be the best bet. Imagine continuing the passions that color one's youth, all while staying cognitively resilient. That would indeed be something to look forward to. What’s the point of planning for living well into our next chapter while at the same time neglecting habits that lead to good health?
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When a friend confessed to not having a bucket list, it got us thinking – are we all wired to yearn for more to accomplish in our lives, or is there a hidden bliss in simply savoring the now and your already completed achievements?
Leslie confessed that her bucket list sits prominently on her wall with the items waiting to be ticked off. Listen in on an insightful conversation with the Besties; they consider the concepts of personal satisfaction and the judgments we have around having ambition or just plain being satisfied with life.
Perhaps this episode will leave you contemplating your own bucket list, or not even considering one. There’s no right answer in their book.
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Would you be able to describe your lifestyle as agile? In other words, as your life stands right now, could you relocate within a short period of time in order to embrace a dream opportunity? Most of us can not. In this episode of Black Boomer Besties for Brooklyn, Leslie and Angella describe the recent changes in Angella’s life and discuss her process of simplifying things- letting go of “stuff” and instead embracing a more joyful lifestyle. However, this conversation isn't just about finding joy; it's about recognizing the raw beauty in transformation and the contentment that follows when we dare to pursue the life we desire.
Join them as they tackle the art of minimalism, sharing heartfelt feelings about downsizing and the sense of freedom that comes with shedding the excess. Living with less doesn't just clear our space, it clears our minds, giving us the agility to move through life with a newfound ease.
But it's not all about tossing things away; they also honor the memories tied to their cherished belongings. Together, they navigate the emotional process of determining which mementos to hold onto and discover the liberating journey toward striking our natural balance with the possessions they actually choose to surround themselves with.
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This episode was triggered by a post on social media entitled: For those who are 60 yrs and above, please read this. How could The Besties resist?
Ever wondered when's the perfect time to tap into those savings you've been squirreling away for the so-called 'golden years'? But wait! The Besties aren’t even in agreement that the early 60s are yet golden. Nonetheless, this episode might just solve the mystery of whether that new car smell is really worth the withdrawal from your retirement account.
Angella and Leslie discuss some of the other pearls gleaned from the piece so listen in for a shot of camaraderie and make sure you keep your health game strong, no matter what chapter of life you're jumping through.
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This episode is an intimate journal entry for The Besties where they discuss what happens when friendships become fractured. Leslie and Angella share an honest reflection on the complexities that come with nurturing friendships, understanding the pivotal role of communication in them, and the strength needed to weather misunderstandings.
Even when there is clarity of one’s intentions, it may be time to walk away from the effort to restore what used to be. Maturity dictates that one need not assign blame to any of the participants; rather self-discovery and the courage required to face personal growth head-on is its own reward.
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After over 30 years of suburban living, Ange followed through on her desire to go back to urban living. Her Brooklyn-soul had been yearning for the energy of people moving about or at the bus stop, hearing familiar music coming from cars, walking to coffee and restaurants.
Ange is admittedly nostalgic but also a realist. The mosaic of city life is not without its complexities, as the social intricacies of her new neighborhood unfold even in the first few days.
Memories from college days at Penn where she was reprimanded for ‘self-segregating’ came flooding back as she reflected on her need to be in spaces where she was not a curiosity as a Black person.
**This episode is a candid look at the trade-offs of urban living, such as foregoing in-unit laundry for the conversations and connections in the local laundromat (Les thinks she has lost her mind on this one), and a commitment to plant roots here for at least a year until God shows her her next.
Tune in for an intimate exploration of personal growth and taking steps towards however one finds joy.**
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When the weight of the world felt too heavy, a beacon of hope and transformation emerged in our heartfelt conversation with Jennifer Campbell, CEO and founder of SoulStar. Jennifer Campbell is a leader of leaders. Through her Systemic Leadership Summit, global leaders meet to create lasting shifts in how leadership is perceived and experienced, emphasizing holistic inclusivity, sustainability, and strategic diversity.
It has been her passion for almost 30 years and it brought her life to a screeching halt when a conflation of a few emotionally arresting moments forced her to face how utterly depleting her work had become.
Change became a necessity and Jennifer did just that. But is this what is required for us to pay attention to our needs? Join the Besties for an engaging discussion about getting off the treadmill of life, re-invention (and more re-invention), and choosing a joy-centered life.
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Soul Star: Become the Most Fulfilled Woman You Have Ever Been
Shonda Rhimes: My year of saying yes to everything | TED Talk
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Although Black History month ended last week, we are keenly aware that Black History is every month and for everybody. After all, Black history is American history.
We bring you this week the lesser told stories of two African American pioneers: Pauli Murray and Bayard Rustin. They are two pivotal yet often unheralded champions of the Civil Rights Movement, whose legacies intertwine with the fabric of America's ongoing quest for equality. In this episode Angella and Leslie discuss two screen depictions of the remarkable lives and contributions of these trailblazers, whose courageous battles against injustice were further complicated by their LGBTQIA+ identities.
We highlight Pauli's visionary legal strategies that reshaped gender equality laws and Bayard's strategic genius in organizing the March on Washington, revealing a deeper understanding of their lasting impact on the world we live in today.
My Name Is Pauli Murray - Official Trailer | Prime VideoBayard Rustin: The man who transformed the Civil Rights Movement
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**Are you in your selfish season? Do you long to be? And do you have the courage to tell others exactly what it is that you need?
In this, part 2 of the popular episode with Stephanie Perry, Besties Angella and Leslie continue their conversation exploring the societal norms around our work lives, burnout and the timing around retirement. Stephanie offers her unique perspective on striving for a life of ease as she “bops around the world” experiencing how other cultures prioritize restful living.Maybe it’s just time for a sabbatical or a career break.
Stephanie shows us how to pivot into a restful period that can allow you to realign your priorities and identify what really matters to you most.*Stephanie Perry - YouTubeVaycarious.comTrusted House Sitters* This episode and all previous episodes are available on YouTube*. Please join our* Besties Quad Squad as a Patreon subscriber at the $5 or $10 monthly level. You'll receive exclusive behind-the-scenes content.**
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**Unless you've been hiding under a rock, you've likely seen and heard about the public hearings of GA District Attorney Fani Willis. DA Willis is prosecuting the alleged Georgia election fraud trial of former President Trump and has found herself in her own legal entanglement. Willis is being accused of hiring a former romantic partner to gain financially from the prosecution.
Regardless of which side you find yourself — whether you believe this is her personal business and not relevant to the prosecution case, or yes, she's guilty of inappropriate use of taxpayer funds and thus should be removed from the case, or even 'how dare she behave with such arrogance and disrespect on the stand — one thing is clear: the outcome will reverberate across America and the world.**
Besties Angella and Leslie have been consumed by the proceedings. In this episode they discuss the hearing from an African American cultural perspective by dissecting the trope of ‘Black Excellence’, that familiar category that (in Ange’s view) has present day adjacency to being/or not a ‘credit to your race’.
Black folks are raised to internalize that we must be, act, dress, enunciate, and strive better than our peers as any mistake is often magnified and discredits the community as a whole by the white gaze. Even more so for Black women, who have the added burden of the judgment of race-agnostic sexism.
What is clear is that Fani Willis is a skilled and successful prosecutor and litigator with a long list of accomplishments under her belt. Despite her being the victim of violent threats and vandalism of her home, she has brought an extraordinarily important charge to hold an election-stealing attempt to justice. As such, are we missing the forest for the trees?
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Full DA Fani Willis hearing testimonies - Fani Willis, her father John Clifford Floyd III, Nathan Wade, Robin Yeartie
The Real Fani Willis
The Standard of Proof podcast
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“Waiting until retirement age to start living is a scam!” Well, that is guest Stephanie Perry’s stance on why she has made it her goal to get Black women to “take career breaks, bop around the world, or move abroad all while embracing ease”
The Besties have mentioned her several times as a model of free-living, unapologetically choosing ease, and a window into the world of what she refers to as the “adult gap year”.
Stephanie’s transformation started when she gave herself free time, through travel, to find the part of herself that she might not have allowed to surface otherwise. Your value, she says, is in who you are, not in what you do. Especially for Black women who carry the weight of the stress of so many societal “isms”
The Besties couldn’t get enough of Stephanie Perry, creator of the popular YouTube channel, a full time house-sitter, creator of House Sitter School, co-creator with Roshida Dowe of ExodUS Summit and just all around cool sister-friend. So make sure you tune in next week for Part 2 of one of their most riveting conversations thus far.
https://exodussummit2023.heysummit.com/
Rest is Resistance: A Manifesto
Legacy: A Black Physician Reckons with Racism in Medicine (HC) (2024)
Stephanie Perry - YouTube
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People don’t relish talking about pain. Valid. So let’s talk about pain relief.
Dana Karen (DK) Ciccone’s journey with pain started suddenly at age 13 while performing a solo in the musical Godspell at a local theater. It was her effort to seek (and find) relief that led to her commitment to help others move their bodies in order to “conquer chronic pain, increase stress resilience, and reclaim an active life”.
DK found Pilates to be quite helpful, leading her to later become a certified Pilates instructor with specialized training in pain reprocessing therapy. Her work with clients also uncovers their fears and personal narratives around movement and healing. After the body repairs the physical injury, she discovered that stress and anxiety from potential pain can itself become a source of prolonged disability.
You’re Meant to Move is the title of DK’s empathetically written, medically sound, and action-based new book.
Think pain is normal as we age? The Besties addressed this common belief once before with guest Chesha Hodge, MPA, RDN (Embrace Healthier Nutritional Choices). These two experts challenge this myth.
Learn more about DK’s work at Movement Remedies
As mentioned: Train with Joan
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**For several years Ange has adopted a daily writing practice that she attributes to changing her life.
She describes this, now ritual, as a stream of consciousness style that strengthens her connection to God, answers questions, challenges assumptions, and allows her to be her most vulnerable, without judgment. Lately, she has opened her writing time for others to join to reap the benefits of their own practice. Leslie, on the other hand, is in awe, believing its power but convinced she could never do it.**
The Besties have an unguarded discussion about possible reasons for Leslie’s resistance. Is it fear, and if so, fear of what?
Join Ange’s writing group here and learn more about her gifts-centered coaching for independent women here.
The Artist’s Way
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**Katt Williams said whaaaat???
In his recent interview on Club Shay Shay****, Shannon Sharp’s popular online show, comedian Katt Williams almost broke the internet. His nearly 3 hour appearance skyrocketed to 37 million views within hours. He had to “tell the truth couldn’t let the lies stand” after some fellow comedic contemporaries were earlier guests. And boy did he go all in. He had folks clutching their pearls!
The Besties (esp. Ang) were hooked and share their candid opinions in this episode.**
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How long do you keep your clothing? If you’re anything like Leslie, decades; scores, even. Leslie admits that the sweater she is wearing was gifted to her by their dear friend (guest on S1E10), the actress Kim Coles nearly 30 years ago. She worries that at this rate, her wardrobe will likely outlive her. Angie calls her out and Leslie finally admits “I got too much” before her segue into the meat of the conversation - a new adult party game called “Am I Trippin**”.
Creator Reecie Colbert**, a no holes barred Black radio host & commentator, presents controversial realistic scenarios that demands partygoers take sides. And the Besties do just that with all the humor and smarts for which they are well-known.
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To hear these Besties talk, one would think that one of them is a doctor! But all jokes aside, Leslie is not giving medical advice here. The Besties discuss a recent experience when faced with the high costs of prescription drugs and healthcare in general in America. Leslie’s in shock at learning that her new copayment will be for her migraine medication - several thousand dollars (her headache disappeared immediately!).
We are told that America has the best medical care but what about those who don’t have financial or digital access? There are so many countries, even “poor” ones that provide universal healthcare to their populations. Hmmm, perhaps the Besties will consider moving abroad like the ExodUS Summit encourages. It’s a virtual conference for Black women planning a sabbatical, expat move, or nomadic life abroad. Co-founders Stephanie Perry and Rhoshida Dowe have been advocates for living outside of the US and they’ve caught Ange’s attention. Stay tuned for updates.
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**Are you OK with not being everybody’s cup of tea or do you prefer that everyone thinks you’re the bee’s knees? People pleasing may be just too much pressure for The Besties.
So when Les asks: “Who wouldn’t want to be partnered with you [Ang]?”, a deep discussion ensues about how we bring our authentic selves to relationships with respect, grace, and truth as necessary components. With these in place, one becomes free to choose how to adapt to make partnerships work well. Love can be a powerful motivator for change.**
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Hope your Christmas Day - if it’s your tradition - was everything you hoped.
Leslie struggles with this season and couldn’t be happier that January is almost here. No, she’s not particularly looking forward to starting a new year, rather she's thrilled that the Christmas season is drawing to a close. In this episode Leslie explains to Angella her “scrooge-esque” reticence to celebrate the joys of the season and why she thinks there needs to be a complete paradigm shift in the way that we celebrate the birth of Our Saviour. Angella on the other hand urges her bestie to consider some of the older traditions and reminisce about some of the joyful memories that they hold.
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Would any fears arise if you were to consider having a boudoir photoshoot? This week’s guest may put all of them to rest. Olesha Haskett is a published photographer whose focus on boudoir made her aware of specific needs of Black women/female identifying people that were not being met. She created community for Black boudoir photographers and unapologetically educates on how others can become more deeply inclusive.
Beyond and before the photoshoot itself, guiding women (most of them older) through the mental reframing of one’s self-acceptance and self-love is a necessary part of the process. You may be surprised by the surprising differences Olesha has found between Black & white clients’ reasons for wanting to capture a boudoir experience on film.
Enjoy an episode full of expressions of freedom, releasing old assumptions and scripts, while engaging body and age-positivity.
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When Leslie had a little fender bender with a parked car, and the owner nowhere in sight, she had a decision to make. Should she leave a note with her information or would it be ok if she left, hoping the owner’s insurance would cover the cost?
What do you think she did? After all, it was an accident and isn’t that what insurance is for? The besties were not in agreement on every point but as they expected, God intervened and lessons were learned for everyone involved.
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**Because it’s the start of the gift giving season, the Besties have decided to give you a priceless gift with Part 2 of the 2 part series with Estate Planning Attorney Karl Chen. In fact, they see it more as a love gift to your families. Angella and Leslie continue their conversation with Karl who offers clear and candid information on how to jumpstart creating your “Generational Wealth Blueprint”.
From this episode you’ll understand why having a clear plan is vital and what items should be included in everyone's toolkit. So get out your pen and paper, get comfortable and be ready to take control of your family legacy. You’re welcome.**
Their Family Bought Land One Generation After Slavery. The Reels Brothers Spent Eight Years in Jail for Refusing to Leave It.
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This week they bring to you Part 1 of a two part interview with Karl Chen, Esq. Karl is an estate and business planning attorney whose practice revolves around Estate Planning, Probate Matters and Business Law issues for businesses and individuals. Before they get into financial matters, though, the old high school friends meander down memory lane.
Clearly, their classmates from NYC’s elite Brooklyn Technical High School Class of 1980 form quite a successful and supportive village (check out Pam Skinner from S3: Black Legacies Matter, Kay Benjamin from S3: More Stories on Caribbean Ancestry, and Kim Coles from S1: Coach Kim Coles is in the Building)
Karl has been on quite a circuitous journey indeed: pivots galore and a disappointing “un”encounter that led to the book Think & Grow Rich that totally changed the trajectory and outlook of his life.
Come back for Part 2 for Estate Planning essentials.
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This episode comes out of the Besties Vault, recorded back at the start of our season 2. The Besties began a discussion about a few interesting documentaries and have decided to delve deeper into them as separate episodes this season.
The 1619 Project chronicles African Americans from the first enslaved Africans brought to America in 1619. Another is Contradiction, which examines the role of the Black church in the lack of prosperity in the Black community.
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This week has been a week of deadlines for Ang - commitments to theater, making custom wigs, and preparing for her first (of many, God-willing) talk on the topic of Black Hair Culture. Leslie keeps firing questions like she’s sitting at the feet of a sage - LOL.
There’s so much more than meets the eye when it comes to the culture of Black hair and Ang just wants to shout it from the rooftops. Did you know that there are mathematical and technological connections to hair braiding? Check out the research of two ethno-mathematicians, Dr Gloria Gilmer and Dr Ronald Eglash,and be amazed!
It’s so refreshing to see the Besties genuinely supporting each other’s pursuits. Thanks for listening. See you next week.
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The Besties start Season 5 with a heady discussion about voting and the devastation caused by the war in Israel.
Today is Election Day in the US where many local and state representatives will be decided. Since few voters realize the impact of these elections on their day-to-day lives, focusing instead on the presidential ones every 4 years, Leslie & Angie make a plea for getting out and making all voices be heard.
Conceding that this is not a politically-based podcast, they find it important to add their views on the bloodshed in southern Israel and Gaza to the cacophony of opinions.
In fact this podcast was created to bring the perspectives of two free-thinking 60-something year old Black women from Brooklyn. And bring it they did.
Senator Natalie Murdock brings CROWN Act to NC Senate floor
Election Day 2023: What to know from Governor races to Ohio's abortion measure
Your quick guide to the most-watched races of Election Day 2023 | PBS NewsHour
Schoolhouse Rock!
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**The Besties celebrate their one year anniversary and reflect on some of the hilarity and highlights of the past 12 months. After it took 22 takes to record the 1 min trailer though, Leslie was convinced that her brief stint at podcasting was over. She pushed through and the rest is, well, history.
Enjoy excerpts that take you on a brief journey of the early years, how they bonded despite their differences, grew through hard times and the best of times, together. (Episodes & timestamps below)
01:58 Trailer Bloopers
03:40 Trailer 03:41 S1 E1: Our Bestie Beginnings: But Can She Sew? 05:19 S1 E3: Mental Health Morning*0
07:13* S1 E8: Some Questions Change Everything 08:56 S2 E1: Season 2 is in the Building 10:56 S1 E6: Gratitude: We Get To Do This! 14:27 S1 E9: Kidney Swap 17:12 S1 E4: You Gotta Have Faith 18:26 S3 E4: Ageism & Othering in the Spotlight 19:40 S1 E10: Coach Kim Coles is in the Building 21:35 S3 E3: Fck Mr Reiner *Angie and Les look forward to welcoming their 5th season with new guests and new opportunities to continue bringing you their bold, unapologetic selves.
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Leslie felt left out when Angella appeared on television and didn't tell her about it ahead of time. She couldn’t understand why Angella downplayed it as “no big deal”. The incident led the Besties into a discussion about the ways in which we tend to judge ourselves and engage in negative self talk. Others may recognize our accomplishments while we experience imposter syndrome.
As Season 4 comes to a close, remember why this podcast was created: to remind you to live out loud and honor the unique ways you show up in the world.
The well referenced biblical scripture in Matthew reads: "No one after lighting a lamp puts it under the bushel basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all in the house”. Let your light shine.
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Do you ever reflect on your past to remind yourself of the mountains you’ve climbed, the monsters you’ve vanquished, and the lessons you’ve learned? One Bestie does, and thinks it’s a necessity; the other doesn’t and wouldn’t even know where to start.
Ange, the entrepreneur and deep thinker, ran into a dilemma as she did some "mining" of her accomplishments throughout her career: she uncovered a new viable income-generating idea that also totally aligns with how she wants to serve. Should she stay focused on her current, long-term plan or detour to this new juicy one?
All singularly-focused-for-life-Lez seems to care about is how much time will be left for her in this equation. The comically contentious dialog unfolds in this new episode. If you enjoy this episode or our podcast overall, we welcome your support.
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**Open wide and say “AHHH-Mazing”! That’s what Ange and Lez thought of the revelatory information Dr. Nicole McGrath Barnes shared. Dr. Nicole is a longtime friend and a New Jersey based pediatric dentist who is saving the lives of marginalized children, one mouth at a time.
Oral health is the gateway to total health and is a number one preventable disease. Poor oral health can lead to diabetes, heart disease, low birth weight newborns and other conditions that few would link to the mouth as the source. Seeing the inequities of a broken oral healthcare system firsthand, Dr. Nicole established Kindersmile Foundation in 2007. Kindersmile has treated and educated more than 40,000 children at its 3 locations in NJ and throughout the world.
This episode explores the tragic stories that touched Dr. Nicole deeply and led her to pivot from a profitable private practice and why she feels joy from knowing that she has transformed the trajectories of children and their families. Stay tuned for her documentary, Toothache: The Painful Truth About Oral Healthcare Inequity premiering on Oct. 21, 2023.
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Clitoris. Say it out loud: Clit-o-ris. That glorious organ of the female/traditionally female body has been a topic that Angella has brooded over since listening to Maria Rosok’s TED Talk and learning about Sophia Wallace’s Cliteracy **movement (no pun intended), a couple of years ago.
In her then 58 yrs, she had never learned anything about the significance, size, or sensitivity of this important part of her body. She felt robbed. She was angry! Of course Leslie heard all about this outrage. To add insult to injury, Leslie recalled that the clitoris was never mentioned in anatomy class in medical school. But the stars aligned and as it turns out, Leslie’s colleague had done extensive historical & anatomical research on this amazing pleasure center.**
In this long awaited episode, the Besties talk with Princeton NJ based gynecologist Dr Maria Sophocles. Dr Sophocles has a thriving medical practice where her 25,000+ patients come from all over the country to receive gender and culturally affirming gynecologic care.
Angella, Leslie and Maria discuss the patriarchal biases and restraints placed on the clitoris specifically and female genitalia in general, and how these constraints permeate society. Lean in as the Besties explore all things clitoris.
Dr Sophocles’ Practice - Women's Healthcare of Princeton
Gray’s Anatomy
Sigmund Freud’s theory on vaginal orgasm debunked
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**You’ll be a fly on the wall in this episode. The Besties catch up after a busy work day and consider, in disbelief, that the 1 yr anniversary of the podcast is fast approaching.
Did Angie manipulate Leslie into becoming her co-host? Why was Leslie apprehensive and when did their roles switch?
At some point in their friendship, Leslie had been the risk-taker while Angie was known for and sought as a moral compass. Marriage played a role in Leslie quieting her 'shenanigans' and divorce has opened Angie up to being more of her authentic self.
Their exploration leads to a discussion of the adventurous good ‘ol days and their views on Christian marital dynamics.**
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**Leslie looked at the blank wall in her new pool area and immediately an idea hit her.
She would search for an artist to paint a mural on the wall.
But is that something that people actually do? How does one move a ‘want’ from idea to inception? Leslie’s search led her to the Orlando area based artist Delia Miller. As you’ll learn, Delia’s talents stretch way beyond her 20 years.
In this episode, Delia talks about the rollercoaster ride of her journey to becoming a commercial muralist, the historic significance of her largest mural to date, and her many ambitious pursuits with the support of her Jamaican & Belizean parents.
The Besties have a heart for young folks who pursue their dreams; extending support through encouragement, opportunities and of course buying whatever they're selling!*Delia's websiteDelia's 7-story mural in historic Parramore*More on the historic African American community of Parramore, Orlando
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Does one really need **a “bestie”? That Ride or Die, Against All Odds, Knows Where the Skeletons Are Buried pal who just seems to ‘get you’? Ang doesn’t think it's a requirement and just when she thinks Les has been convinced, no dice.
What they absolutely do agree on is the integrity, trust and freedom that continues to strengthen their special bond; and both hope others can find the same.**
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**Leslie lost a friend last week. She wanted to honor him by speaking his name and saying goodbye; something she wasn't able to do because he went into solitude a few years before his death.
Dr Andrew Citron left behind two daughters and a wife of 29 years when he lost his two year battle with a rare brain cancer. Leslie first met Andy 16 years ago when she interviewed with him for her current position as a staff anesthesiologist.
They bonded and formed a friendship from the very beginning. Dr Citron was not only a talented anesthesiologist but he was also her boss, a mentor, a friend and an ear to listen empathetically during those rare but inevitable tough times in the operating room. Andy was funny, in a soft spoken way, and he was so good-natured that Leslie often told him he was too much of a pushover to be anybody’s boss.
This episode is a cathartic conversation about her loss. Through tears, she talks about her connection to Andy, wondering if he knew that he held a special place in her heart. The Besties contemplate to what extent the dying should consider the grief of those left behind.**
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The Besties separately were brought to tears when they first viewed Ira’s (Ayirani) art - strong, feminine, queer, love-filled, flower-powerful, beautiful, voluptuous, all the things that feel right with the world.
Ira is an illustrator from New York whose work primarily focuses on the experience of the South Asian Queer-identified community. Their soft-spoken and shy demeanor belies the courageous imagery they create.
Ira’s art seamlessly juxtaposes a rejection of patriarchal, ageist and colorism-based socialization, especially of girls, in South Asian culture while embracing traditional Hindu symbolism.
Join the Besties as they get to fall more deeply in awe of this amazing young artist.
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**It started out innocently enough - Leslie called Angie to talk about what she called a “pet peeve”. Why do some Black women wear satin sleep bonnets outside the house?
In this episode you’ll hear the besties discuss this seemingly superficial issue and watch it turn into a more serious conversation about respectability politics. Did Dr Martin Luther King Jr and his fellow marchers get any less violent reactions from police than did The Black Panthers? Should being seen as “respectable” continue to be the expectation of Black & brown people?**
The Besties go all the way in - not always agreeing but always respectable.Bonnet Cheerleading Video Courtesy of @cheerlebridee tiktok
Respectability Politics (according to Wikipedia): a political strategy wherein members of a marginalized community will consciously abandon controversial aspects of their cultural-political identity as a method of assimilating, achieving social mobility, and gaining the respect of the majority culture. As a sociological term, it is often pejorative, typically used in a manner critical of the ideology.
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In 2020 the Pew Research Center determined that although, Black people represented 14.2% of all Americans they are only 2.4% of all employer-firm owners. The Federal Reserve System’s 2021 Small Business Credit Survey (SBCS) revealed that the COVID-19 pandemic exacerbated the challenges that small businesses owned by people of color faced prior to the pandemic.
Leslie and Angella are well aware of these disparities in Black business ownership and they have long been committed to supporting Black owned businesses with their patronage and recommendations. In this episode of Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn they highlight a few of the products and owners whose products they utilize and support.
www.Harlemcandlecompany.com Harlem Candle Company is a luxury home fragrance brand specializing in scented candles inspired by the richness of Harlem. Founded in 2014 by travel and lifestyle expert Teri Johnson, the Harlem Candle Company is the manifestation of her love affair with fragrance, jazz, and Harlem.
https://www.instagram.com/_____komaribathbody347/. Yolonda Berry, owner of Komari Bath & Body creates handmade & aromatherapy based soaps, body butters, body scrubs, lip balms, & hair care.
https://marche-rue-dix.myshopify.com/ A Brooklyn based Senegalese marketplace of sorts offering clothing and accessories, perfumes, a nail salon and a cafe.
https://www.harlemsheaven.com/ Milliner Evetta Perry has over 30 years of designing gorgeous one-of-a-kind hats of all kinds for all occasions. Her designs are featured regularly on television and in national and international magazines.
https://www.oiawellness.com/home-fragrances Oia Wellness is a Brooklyn based Black female owned line of small batch handmade home fragrances.
https://bklynbarsoap.com/ BklynBarSoap is a clean skincare + wellness brand that focuses on sensitive+ eczema +acne-prone skin. Each product is handcrafted with responsibly sourced all-natural ingredients with no preservatives and no unnatural additives.
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**Laughter warning: they're together again! After an intense work month at the theater, Ang visits Les to hit the thrift stores for a wardrobe update. In this delightful episode, Ang is in pajamas not knowing that while she slept, Les was called in to work on a case at the hospital at 5:00AM.
The Besties have gotten thrifting for clothes down to a science - quality, style, fit (alterations are never a problem because they can both sew, remember S1 E1), and price. Les tends to push Ang a bit out of her comfort zone and she's here for it! New outfits are one way to feel fresh, joyful, and sexy and it can be done without breaking the bank.
Spirits are high because the besties are both on new eating and exercise plans after their lab results (committed to in S2 E8 with guest Registered Dietician Chesha Hodge****) showed elevated cholesterol levels. Maybe the increased endorphins from daily exercise had something to do with their decision to try-on pasties and share the hilarious outcome.
This episode is as much about fashion and fun as it is about health and wellbeing. Enjoy!
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To bring Season 3 to a close, The Besties are back together in Leslie's infamous closet where the first episodes were recorded. Episode 9 was planned as a Live on Facebook but the technology gremlins had other plans. Nevertheless, the conversation was filled with fascinating family revelations and ancestral discoveries. The Besties are joined by Natalie Hinds Scott, Colleen Hinds Rogers, their mother, Lilieth Ridguard (Jamaican heritage), and Kay Benjamin (Guyanese heritage), each with their unique tales of tracing their family history. Both family's discoveries remind us that the world is smaller than we think. You never know when you'll cross paths with a distant cousin.
As our third season closes, we invite our listeners to become subscribers to help us continue to bring refreshing perspectives from free-thinking 60 yr old besties.
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**Discovering one's roots is like embarking on a treasure hunt, made even the more challenging when you are from a family of travelers, common in the Caribbean. Two sisters, Natalie Hinds-Scott and Colleen Hinds Rodgers, embarked on such a journey, unearthing fascinating stories of their family's rich heritage.
On one side of the family, where oral history was plentiful, connected Costa Rica to Jamaica to the United States and back. On the other side the sisters could never have imagined the perfectly aligned convergence that would lead to the former Mesopotamia Plantation in Westmoreland, Jamaica. Along the way, they would come to be embraced by newly discovered family from England and a white historian, who unknowingly, had been looking for them for decades.**
Let’s stop here to avoid divulging any of the incredible plot twists of the extraordinary story. Enjoy, and your comments are welcome.
Who Are The Winrush Generation? A British Scandal Explained
Richard Dunn - A Tale of Two Plantations: Slave Life and Labor In Jamaica and Virginia
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Now that the podcast is 31 episodes in and nearing the end of Season 3, it's a great time to reintroduce The Besties by rebroadcasting their very first episode. It's their origin story originally entitled: But Can She Sew. They were brand new to podcasting but determined to jump in with both feet, excited to show how two 60 yr old Black women can live bold expansive lives, without the boundaries placed on them by expectations of age, race, gender, faith traditions, none of it!
Leslie and Angella first met at Brooklyn Technical High School in 1977 as sophomores, two undercover nerds. They could never have imagined all that this bond would get them through over the next 46 years.
Enjoy this rebroadcast and discover/rediscover all that created this truly amazing friendship!
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Sit down, get comfortable and listen to the multigenerational stories of one family’s tragedies and triumphs. Besties Angella and Leslie talk to storyteller and family archivist (and fellow Brooklyn Tech class of ‘80 alum) Pamela Skinner who has made it a mission to chronicle stories of her family from their southern roots as enslaved persons through their migrations north to New York City.
Pamela unveils compelling narratives about the importance of preserving a legacy for future generations. A family torn by tragedy, yet resolute in finding ways to thrive, will leave you with a range of emotions; from sadness and sympathy to laughter and triumph. What is particularly satisfying about this episode is the mix of glimpses of everyday life in beautiful Black communities and the larger than life barrier-breakers like her grand aunt’s successful wrongful death lawsuit against a railroad company in 1913 and her aunt Mary Emmeline Godfrey, becoming the first African American full-time faculty member hired at Penn State in 1957.
These are the stories that need to be told, the stories that need to be heard, and the stories we can all learn from.
Pamela also shares her passion for curating discovered family art through photographs and one of a kind heirloom quilts.
https://instagram.com/sisters_godfrey_collection?igshid=OGQ5ZDc2ODk2ZA==
https://society6.com/mgodart3191/all
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Another crushing step backwards. This is our view of the recent SCOTUS decision to strike down affirmative action in university admissions (except military schools, cunningly).
Plans were in place for a different episode this week but we were so intensely troubled by this breaking news, we decided to lend our voice and experiences to the chorus of outrage. It seems that America is destined to find opportunities to move further away from its promise.
Connecting the imposition of Jim Crow Laws upon Black people after they had been given a glimpse of self-determination during Reconstruction to the chipping away of meager opportunities for equity since the Civil Rights Act of 1964. We reflect on white affirmative action being the law of the land for over 300 years, and again now, with this ruling.
Our Blackness is a source of pride and resilience, despite experiences where it is acknowledged with suspicion (Angella at Penn) or made invisible by color-blinded ignorance (Leslie at the hospital). We get into our feelings, our history and our hopes in this compelling and unapologetic conversation.
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“Hmmm, what could you possibly talk about on a podcast about older bolder living?” Angella was in awe of Akron Watson’s talent when they worked together. Who wouldn’t be. He’s had roles on Empire, The Color Purple on Broadway, and so much more. But he’s a 40 yr old Black man so it just wasn’t obvious. When Akron said he wanted to discuss his experiences with ageism, The Besties were all in!
This week on Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn, we welcome multi award-winning actor & singer Akron Watson as we discuss his career, the effects of ageism and othering within the entertainment industry, and the ever-changing climate we're all learning to navigate from generation to generation.
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Mr Reiner was one of Leslie’s 5th grade teachers. Rather than encourage this A-student toward a love of learning and achievement, he secretly warned her new best friend’s mother to end the friendship because Leslie would be a bad influence. That was over 50 years ago, and Leslie has proven him wrong to the highest levels, yet his influence is still felt. For Angella, it was her 1st husband who put his sights on belittling her, despite her impressive accomplishments that far exceeded his own.
Haters gonna hate but you get to choose how much you allow the hater-a-tion to take root. Listen in on how The Besties turned things meant for harm to gain self-love and strength.
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Angella and Leslie have returned from their reboot week vacation. The gloves come off in this “tell-all” episode: what worked and what came up short of their expectations - or should we say “who” came up short? Were the besties able to stay out of the big box stores? Did the accountability partners stay true to their missions? And what was that very thing that, much to Angella’s consternation, Leslie decided just had to come home with them?
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Season 3 starts with a revelatory conversation that challenges the "acceptable" ways that people form partnerships. Over the years, The Besties have often joked about the prospect of getting married, as platonic friends of course. But would we all benefit from more expansive ways of finding compatible life partners? Yes, indeed.
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Season 2 of Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn has come to an end but the laughs, motivation and soul-stirring conversations are still sitting with us. Angella and Leslie give you a great opportunity to hear excerpts of the season and re-engage with some of their brilliant guests.
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Have you heard about the 70 & 80 yr olds killing the game? Inspired by Ms Nora, an 81 yr old woman who recently deadlifted 310 lbs, The Besties plan their reset retreat to reset back into a healthier lifestyle. Walks, clean eating, rest, beach massages, sound great however some apprehension surfaces: will they have the willpower to keep themselves and each other accountable?
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Leslie is feeling a bit unsettled that she didn't know a fundamental truth about Angella after 46 years of besti-hood: she likes muscle cars AND just bought one! Will this shake the foundations of their bond?
Enjoy another hilarious exchange in this bonus episode of Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn.
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What forms your assumptions about a group of people, a culture, a place? The popular (33M views) TED talk by Nigerian author Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie stirs The Besties to share their perspectives on how stereotypes and prejudices are formed when a single, often negative, story becomes the dominant narrative. Enjoy another spirited episode, where their opinions don’t always align, but their respect and love shine through.The Danger of a Single Story - TED Talk by Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie
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This week's episode may just change your life, or at the very least get you heading toward the road to a life change.
The Besties deliver an in-depth conversation with registered dietician, Chesha Hodge, MPA, RDN: a dynamic nutritional advocate, public speaker and policy influencer on the role of food and diet in our lives. They discuss cultural nuances and ways to embrace healthier nutritional choices.
https://www.thebalanceddietllc.com/
https://www.instagram.com/judgementfreerd/
Suggested lab tests: Complete Blood Count (CBC), Complete Metabolic Panel (CMP), Fasting Lipid Count, Thyroid Panel
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In this week's episode, we're catching up with the besties, learning about all the amazing things happening in their lives + how imposter syndrome creeps in even when you know what you know.
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For anthropologist Dr Gertrude Fraser, leave-taking (Cuba, Panama, Costa Rica, Jamaica, England, United States) has been a part of family history. It's a common phenomenon in the Caribbean. So where will she find home? Join us for an incredibly informative and moving conversation rich with new insights as she searches for a place to retire abroad.Stephanie Perry: Year-Round International House SitterLiving While Black, in JapanJamaicans to the WorldSaidiya Hartmann: Literary Scholar and Cultural HistorianAfro Millenial MommaJamaica-Sephardic Jewish Genealogy
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How do you know the right time to pack up, put in those retirement papers, bid ‘peace out’ to your coworkers and start your next ‘best life’? We talk to ‘young-ish’ retiree, Monique Pooser Pritchard, about how she made the decision to end her 30+ year career in education and took the leap trusting her heart and faith.
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After last week’s thoughtful discussion about hair loss Angella and Leslie couldn’t stop talking when the camera stopped rolling. The besties continue their chat about the cultural connections to our hair.
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“I don’t have a problem with a hairstyle unless that hairstyle has a problem with you”. Sounds simple enough when coming from an expert like Brooklyn, NY based Board Certified Dermatologist Dr. Achiamah Osei-Tutu. For the rest of us we just spend time, money and energy trying to get our tresses to cooperate. In this episode, besties Angella and Leslie get to the ‘root’ of the types and causes of hair loss, discuss how hair may manifest systemic disease and describe the ways in which culture influences hair health.
Black Derm Directory
Docs For Hair: The Trusted Resource for Hair & Scalp Issues
Osei-Tutu Dermatology
Therapy for Black Girls
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Rolonda Goodwin is a self-described introvert who is not new to stepping out of her comfort zone. She has shared her stories of survival on stages and in her books. Again, with her corporate career on a steady upward trajectory as a beloved and accomplished technology leader, she has decided to take one of her biggest boldest steps yet: a year-long sabbatical.
In this episode the Besties learn about the forces that propelled Rolonda to follow her heart to reimagine her future.
Visit Rolonda's website to book her as a speaker or to purchase her books - https://linktr.ee/rolondagoodwin Cisco Connected Black Professionals- www.linkedin.com/groups/1197667/ Toastmasters Internationalhttps://www.toastmasters.org/
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Besties Angella and Leslie are thrilled to be back on the airwaves with season 2 of Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn. Join them in the quest for Older Bolder living as they describe the upcoming season’s guests and chat about what they’ve been up to during their hiatus.
All of Us Research Program- https://allofus.nih.gov/
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No, it’s not a date date. It’s the date of our Season 2 Episode 1: Mar 14 2023! We’ve such wonderful, inspirational and informative guests lined up for you. See you then (and tell your friends)!
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Life slapped us around a bit but we did the bob & weave and are on our way back with a new season. We'll have guests who will impress, inspire and impact you. Remember, it's time for living older, bolder (or is it bolder, older). Stay tuned for our new episodes coming soon.
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Ooooooh you all are gonna love this one! The hosts welcome their first podcast guest for the final episode in Season 1. Actress, comedian, and author Kim Coles is a high school bestie and between reminiscing with lots of laughter, Kim evaluates Leslie and Angella’s personalities using the fascinating Fascination Advantage Assessment. Lots of surprises in store for the hosts and you.
Get a free Design Your Life workbook from Coach Kim. One on one coaching is available here..
Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn will be on break planning for Season 2 until early Feb 2023.
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Did you know that 13 people die every day while waiting for a life-saving kidney transplant and that someone with end stage renal disease is added to a transplant list every 14 minutes? Prepare yourself for a poignant episode of where Leslie describes her family’s personal navigation through the organ transplant process when her 20 year old son developed renal failure. As a parent, she learned invaluable lessons about the mental health journey her son had to process through, not only the tangible physical ones. As a compassionate human being, she discovered that the general public is largely unaware of how they can be of help to these patients. The Besties hope that this episode will not only be educational and enlightening, but will also serve as a clarion call to consider becoming an organ donor.
References:
Ng, Y, et al. Does Racial Disparity in Kidney Transplant Wait-Listing Persist After Accounting for Social Determinants of Health? Transplantation. 2020 July 104(7): 1445-1455
National Kidney Foundation. Kidney.org
Donate Life America. Donatelife.net
United Network for Organ Sharing (UNOS), Unos.org
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If you’ve tuned in to prior episodes, you already know that although Angella and Leslie have been best friends for over four decades, they actually approach concepts, solutions and questions, it turns out, quite differently. In this episode the ladies put their differences on display by answering a series of heady questions. The answers are often funny, at times poignant but they mostly reveal how a left brained person can fill in the puzzle piece of her right brained bestie, and vice versa.
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During a roller coaster work situation, Angella felt increasing discontent about giving a select few decision-making power over her livelihood. So she took a leap of faith into entrepreneurship. Big pivots are inherently risky but sometimes when you know, you just know. Listen to her story about the empowerment she felt in leaving a 30 year corporate IT career. After nearly 20 years at one of the world's top tech companies she has become founder and CEO of HeadSpace NC, a beauty and advocacy company.
HeadSpace NC Brands:
Rhythm Wigs
The Hair Stories Project
Rhythm in Words Apparel
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**It’s Thanksgiving! And one of the things Angella and Leslie are thankful for is that they are hosting side by side (in a closet) again for the first time since their podcast launched. They also give thanks for the love and health of their friends and families and you, their podcast listeners. With that in mind the ladies recount some of the comments and reviews they’ve received and brag about the over 600 downloads Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn has garnered in less than a month after it’s inception.
We’re enjoying BLK& Bold Coffee blkandbold.com**
A mass shooting occurred on a bus carrying students from the University of Virginia where three students were killed and 2 others injured. This hit Angella, in particular very hard- thus this episode discusses this event, some of the wider implications and more importantly is dedicated to the 3 deceased students Devon Chandler, D’Sean Perry and Lavel Davis, Jr.
Why would it take two Jesus-adoring people more than a decade to get through one collective reading of the Bible? In their usual humorous way Angella and Leslie discuss the origins of their faith traditions in Jamaica and Brooklyn, their unconventional Bible study dynamics and how Saturday mornings became a time of connection, contemplation and sometimes conflict.
Notes:
- Correction- Former Alabama Governor and segregationist George Wallace, not Senator McGovern, was paralyzed from the waist down during an assassination attempt in 1972.
- Correction- The church where generations of my family worshiped is Concord Baptist Church in Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn, not Our Lady of Victory which is the Catholic school my mother attended as a child.
You ever just feel a little blah and figure a little pep talk with your pal will help? Leslie tried that and was shocked by Angella’s response. In this episode they take what begins as a private conversation to the airwaves as they do what they do best - trust each other’s wisdom for support during life’s ebbs and flows.
Positivity Quotient- https://www.positiveintelligence.com/
Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction- https://mindfulnessnj.com/index.htm,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3336928/
Suicide & Crisis Lifeline- https://988lifeline.org/or dial 988
Pivoting - in our careers, where we live, and such - is something many of us have had to do during the pandemic. In this episode, we share how we developed our pivot power way before 2020: Leslie’s circuitous path to medical school at the age of 35 and Angella’s move far from all that was familiar, with her 3 young children (and a pet snail) in tow.
So, we’re actually doing this: letting the world into our deeply rooted friendship: a safe and sharpening space from which we’ve weathered many storms for over 45 years.
In this premier episode we tell you where the “we” began; why we feel compelled to lean into our fears; and the ways our differences (not only what we have in common) continues to strengthen our bond since meeting as 14 yr olds at Brooklyn Tech High School.
Episode Highlights
13:26: ‘But can she sew’: What that means
05:18: We are two clumsy chicks
06:16: Our vastly different upbringings
17:23: The left-brain and right-brain bond
This is what the world needs now: two free-thinking “seasoned” Black women speaking their truth.
**Shaped by 45 years of friendship that began at the prestigious Brooklyn Technical High School through the Ivy League, medical school, marriages, divorces, triumphs, parenting queer children, life-threatening illness, and many many amazing adventures.
Each week, besties Leslie Osei-Tutu and Angella Fraser will push against boundaries in love, culture, careers, faith, politics, and outdated assumptions about women of a certain age. Remember, you’re never too old to change your mind…or your hair! (but more on that later :-)**