Mark Kawano, former user experience evangelist at Apple, talks to Marc and Rene about working at Adobe on Photoshop, at Frog on client work, at Apple on Aperture and iPhoto, on presenting your ideas, how best to beta test, and about the proper time and place for everything from hamburgers and basements to flats and textures.

Guests * Mark Kawano

Hosts * Marc Edwards of Bjango * Rene Ritchie of iMore.com

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