24.4 Makkos Daf 16 A (19 lines Dn)Rabbi Yochanan: _Hasra’as safek_ is a valid _hasra’ah_ .Reish Lakish: _Hasra’as safek_ is not a valid _hasra’ah._Rabbi Yochanan: _Malkos_ is not administered for a _lav she’ein bo maaseh._Reish Lakish: _Malkos_ is administered for a _lav she’ein bo maaseh._They each claim a source for this opinion from the Beraisa in which Rabbi Yehuda teaches that Nosar is not punishable by _malkos_ because it’s a _lav hanitak l’eseh._ It would however also be a _hasra’as safek_ (support for Rabbi Yochanan) as well as a _lav she’ein bo maaseh_ (support for ReishLakish).The support to Rabbi Yochanan is a challenge to Reish Lakish.Reish Lakish quotes a different statement by Rabbi Yehuda which proves that his opinion was: _Hasra’as safek_ is not a valid _hasra’ah._SummaryChallenge to Rabbi Yochanan: The support to Reish Lakish is a challenge to Rabbi Yochanan. [If there is indeed no _malkos_ for a_lav she’ein bo maaseh,_ why does the beraisa explain the lack of _malkos_ because of _lav hanitak l’eseh?]_Resolution: There is a different statement by Rabbi Yehuda that proves it is so:Rav Idi bar Avin amar Rav Amram amar Rabbi Yitzchok amar Rabbi Yochanan:Rabbi Yehuda from Rabbi Yosi Haglili: There is no _malkos_ for a _lav she’ein bo maaseh_ with the exception of Nishba _[a false oath (an oath which is false from the time it is taken, unlike the case in 24.2 where the oath was not fulfilled)],_ Meimar _[exchanging a korban for a different animal],_ Mekallel Bashem _[cursing with the name of Hashem]._Difficulty: Rabbi Yehuda made contradictory statements.[In 24.2 he said that Nosar, despite being a _lav she’ein bo maaseh_ and a _hasra’as safek,_ is not punishable by _malkos_ solely because it is a _lav hanitak l’eseh_ ( _lav she’ein bo maaseh_ and _hasra’as safek_ are both punishable by _malkos_ ). And yet, in 24.3 he said that _hasra’as safek_ would not cause a _malkos_ liability, and here in 24.4 he said that _lav she’ein bo maaseh_ would not cause a _malkos_ liability!]Reish Lakish: Different _tannaim_ taught the _beraisas_ quoted in 24.2 and 24.3, they disagree on what Rabbi Yehuda’s position was.Rabbi Yochanan: The _beraisa_ brought here is quoting Rabbi Yehuda’s teacher . Rabbi Yehuda’s own position is recorded by the _beraisa_ in 24.2._________________Also attached is daf טז to print. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.