Have you ever wanted to hear what two middle-aged men think of Young adult novels? Well now you got a couple of book boys to do that for you as we read chapters 6 - 10 of 'The Subtle Knife' by Philip Pullman.

We learn that:

• Ben didn't like going to Target with me

• If you're not the guy with the 'subtle knife' you might as well kill yourself

• Ben's mom likes my other podcast better than this one.

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