Here are the notes for students in both sections of ENG 107 at LCCC. This explains the final project in detail and provides some starting points for research and dissemination.

[18:16] You: Hi everyone!
[18:16] Daliah Carter: Hi desi
[18:16] Ionnes McBride: hello
[18:16] Eloise Pasteur: Hi Desi :-)
[18:16] Nathamine Nemeth: hi
[18:17] You: How is everyone doing?
[18:17] Ionnes McBride: good... i'm nervous about this final project
[18:17] You: ok, let's talk about it
[18:17] Nathamine Nemeth: I have a couple questions about it
[18:17] You: what makes you nervous?
[18:17] You: ok, lets talk about it
[18:17] Ionnes McBride: i don't have any clue what you want in it... lol
[18:17] You: what questions do you have
[18:17] Nathamine Nemeth: wel...
[18:17] You: ok - lets start with the point of it all
[18:18] Ionnes McBride: sounds good
[18:18] Nathamine Nemeth: what from should our citations and bib take?
[18:18] You: NMC wants to know who has used the horizon report and how
[18:18] Ionnes McBride: okay...
[18:18] You: you may use either MLA or APA
[18:18] Nathamine Nemeth: footnotes?
[18:18] You: so, everyone go to www.digg.com
[18:18] You: and type in NMC
[18:18] You: in the search tab
[18:18] You: what comes up?
[18:19] Ionnes McBride: "second life: NMC creativity symposium"... whatever that means
[18:19] You: that was a conference
[18:19] You: do you see any citations for the Horizon report?
[18:20] Ionnes McBride: not really... most of it isn't the "NMC" i'm looking for
[18:20] Nathamine Nemeth: when is this due?
[18:21] Parrot Ferrer is Online
[18:21] You: try NMC Horizon Report
[18:21] Ionnes McBride: okay
[18:21] You: it is Due December 1
[18:21] You: I got one hit
[18:21] Nathamine Nemeth: thanksgiving break doesn't change our schedule?
[18:21] Ionnes McBride: Serious Games To Have Significant Influence on Higher Education
[18:21] You: nope :-)
[18:21] Ionnes McBride: and that's it
[18:21] You: right
[18:21] You: ok
[18:21] You: now lets look at that link
[18:21] You: click on it
[18:21] Ionnes McBride: okay
[18:22] You: we know, for example that this is a blog
[18:22] Ionnes McBride: okay...
[18:22] You: and we know that it is a summary of the report with links directly to the report
[18:22] You: does it do anything else with it?
[18:22] Ionnes McBride: yes
[18:23] Ionnes McBride: well... there is a 32 page report about something...
[18:23] You: that is the horizon report (the one you were supposed to have read :-)
[18:23] You: it links to it
[18:23] You: but there is a specific reason given
[18:23] You: why is this person linking to it?
[18:24] Ionnes McBride: uhhh... i'm gonna say i read it... and then go look at it to make sure
[18:24] You: lol
[18:24] Ionnes McBride: wait... what was the question?
[18:24] You: we know this is a blog
[18:24] You: we know that it links to the exact documents
[18:24] You: both the long report and the short list
[18:24] You: but the blog writer gives a reason
[18:25] You: why does this poster link to it?
[18:25] You: read the blog post
[18:25] Ionnes McBride: it is supposed to "seek and identify" technology that will be used in education... i think
[18:26] Ionnes McBride: am i at least close?
[18:26] You: what does this line mean
[18:26] You: With regards to Serious Games, the object of my affection, Virtual Worlds end up on the shortlist as a real opportunity, to be “adopted in two to three years” whilst Massively Multiplayer Online (MMO) Educational Gaming, "within four to five years" shall be common place in a variety of disciplines.
[18:27] Ionnes McBride: meaning... real gamers don't like things like SL... but they would be more willing to try an actually MMORPG
[18:27] You: well, that is the persons interest
[18:28] Ionnes McBride: yes...
[18:28] You: but how is it connected to NMC?
[18:28] You: this person cites the Horizon report to do WHAT to his or her work?
[18:28] Ionnes McBride: NMC is the way to find out how to use an MMO and education simaltamiously
[18:28] You: legitimize?
[18:28] You: right?
[18:28] Ionnes McBride: yes...
[18:28] You: people think that educational games are baloney
[18:28] You: so here is a reputable orgization saying this is the way education is going
[18:29] You: and so this person wants to get connected to that information
[18:29] You: so, we can tell NMC that one person used the report to legitimize their work in edu-gaming
[18:29] You: right?
[18:29] Ionnes McBride: yes
[18:29] You: ok
[18:29] You: lets all go to http://del.icio.us
[18:29] Ionnes McBride: ah... and then i've found my source... and cn answer all the questions that i need to for the final...
[18:30] You: and do the same thing
[18:30] You: RIGHT!
[18:30] You: lets go to del.icio.us
[18:30] You: and see what we find there
[18:30] Ionnes McBride: see... it's starting to click... slowly
[18:31] You: Lots of stuff there
[18:31] Ionnes McBride: yes
[18:31] You: we will have to look at each citation
[18:31] You: see HOW the report has been used and WHO has used
[18:31] You: so, in that first example
[18:31] You: we know that it was used ina BLOG
[18:31] Ionnes McBride: the first link?
[18:31] You: (from Digg)
[18:31] You: we know WHY it was used
[18:31] Ionnes McBride: oh.. rite
[18:31] Ionnes McBride: yes
[18:31] Nathamine Nemeth: most of the links at delicious are to the report itself
[18:32] You: and we could figure out pretty easily who the blogger is
[18:32] Ionnes McBride: i agree with Nath
[18:32] You: ah
[18:32] Ionnes McBride: true again
[18:32] You: so, we can sum up ALL those with X number of people tagged the 2007 Horizon Report on Del.icio.us
[18:33] You: so, we can say that HOW they used it was tagging it
[18:33] Ionnes McBride: no way!!
[18:33] You: and WHY they used it was social bookmarking
[18:33] Ionnes McBride: okay... that's cool
[18:33] You: now, lets count up how many people ALSO connected to it
[18:33] You: (thats the little number in red)
[18:33] You: who can add that all up?
[18:34] You: the SAVED BY
[18:34] Nathamine Nemeth: almost a thousand
[18:34] You: add them all up
[18:34] You: ok, so now we know that nearly a THOUSAND people have saved it on Del.icio.us
[18:34] Ionnes McBride: wow
[18:34] You: now, if you are a compnay and you want to know how effective your report is
[18:34] You: isnt this a great way to track back?
[18:34] Ionnes McBride: i should be writing this all down... is there a way to save all that was said here?
[18:35] Nathamine Nemeth: yeah
[18:35] Ionnes McBride: yes
[18:35] You: I will publish this chat on the wiki
[18:35] You: how is that?
[18:35] Ionnes McBride: that's great
[18:35] Eloise Pasteur: open your history, click into the window, cntl-A, Cntl-C and paste it into word or similar
[18:35] You: now. lets brainstorm other places
[18:35] You: how about SlideShare?
[18:35] You: lets go there and see
[18:35] You: www.slideshare.net
[18:36] You: I got 536!
[18:36] Ionnes McBride: i got... 5742
[18:36] Nathamine Nemeth: views?
[18:37] Ionnes McBride: huh?
[18:37] Fleep Tuque is Online
[18:37] Ionnes McBride: wait... now i'm confused
[18:37] Nathamine Nemeth: I don't get a "linked to" or saved at slideshare
[18:37] You: ok, well that may be because we used different tags
[18:37] Ionnes McBride: oh... i get it
[18:37] You: what did you use?
[18:37] You: I used NMC Horizon
[18:37] Ionnes McBride: NMC Horizon Report
[18:37] You: ok
[18:37] Nathamine Nemeth: NMC
[18:38] Nathamine Nemeth: I get 536 for NMC horizon
[18:38] You: Ok, so you need to look at all of them :-)
[18:38] You: and sort them
[18:39] You: Larry Pixel is coming to say hi
[18:39] Ionnes McBride: i hope your kidding
[18:39] You: he is the CEO of NMC
[18:39] You: nope, not kidding
[18:39] You: lol
[18:39] You: now, this is what I WOULD DO
[18:39] You: I would email the class in WebCT
[18:39] You: and get everyone to take a few
[18:39] You: and then share your results on teh blogs
[18:39] You: that way everyone does a little
[18:39] You: but not everyone does it all :-)
[18:39] Ionnes McBride: as opposed to just randomly picking a few?
[18:40] You: thats what I would do if I were a student in the class?
[18:40] You: right, you cant randomly pick
[18:40] Nathamine Nemeth: what about the calss wiki?
[18:40] You: you could do that too
[18:40] Nathamine Nemeth: the links we all tagged a while back?
[18:40] You: you could send an email to everyone in WebCT
[18:40] Nathamine Nemeth: where is that?
[18:41] You: ask them to look at the wiki
[18:41] You: or tell them what you are doing
[18:41] You: and what yopu want the m to do
[18:41] Ionnes McBride: i vote that Nath head it up
[18:41] You: keep me in the loop
[18:41] Nathamine Nemeth: uh......
[18:41] You: and I can help wit hthe wiki side
[18:41] You: or set up a wiki for you
[18:41] Nathamine Nemeth: what am i doing?
[18:41] You: whatever you want me to do - - but I cant send the email
[18:41] Hydra Shaftoe is Online
[18:41] You: this is your project and not mine :-)
[18:41] MystiTool HUD 1.0.21: Entering chat range: Larry Pixel (0m)
[18:41] You: do you know how to send email in WebCT?
[18:42] You: just hightlight everyone's name
[18:42] Nathamine Nemeth: I just want to know where is that wiki we made a while back?
[18:42] Eloise Pasteur: Hey Larry
[18:42] Ionnes McBride: yes... that's all i use
[18:42] You: it is still there
[18:42] Daliah Carter: Hello Larry
[18:42] Ionnes McBride: Hello Larry
[18:42] You: Hi LArry, welcome
[18:42] Larry Pixel: Hi everyione!
[18:42] You: these are two students from tech writing
[18:42] Larry Pixel: I have been following your project
[18:42] You: they are working on tracking back the 2007 HP
[18:42] Nathamine Nemeth: I have to decline thi smass e-mail...I have ebough on my plate.
[18:43] You: Larry, can you tell the students what you do?
[18:43] You: who you are and all that great stuff?
[18:43] Larry Pixel: I am the CEO of the New Media Consortium
[18:43] Larry Pixel: you can find more about me at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_F._Johnson
[18:43] Larry Pixel: NMC publishes the Horizon Report each january
[18:44] Nathamine Nemeth: so there is one coming soon?
[18:44] You: Larry, it you had to pick one web 2.0 application that you suspect tags the report the most, which one would it be?
[18:44] Larry Pixel: and I lead the project in addition to many other things at NMC
[18:44] You: yes, another will come in January
[18:44] Larry Pixel: yes it is is released each january, so we are deep into writing the 2008 Report
[18:45] Larry Pixel: well I'd look for some evidence first, but have not done that
[18:45] Ionnes McBride: what are some of the newest items?
[18:45] Larry Pixel: what have you found?
[18:45] Larry Pixel: new items for 2008?
[18:45] Ionnes McBride: oh... i didn't know you were talking to me
[18:45] Larry Pixel: we're not that far yet
[18:45] Larry Pixel: it is still November!
[18:46] Larry Pixel: we have it down from 240 items on the original list in August to 12 now
[18:46] You: were there any suprises in what didn't make the cut?
[18:46] Larry Pixel: so if you have one question for the author of the Horizon Report, what woudl it be?
[18:46] Larry Pixel: mmmmmm.....surprises? No not really
[18:47] Ionnes McBride: How accurate are the predictions?
[18:47] Larry Pixel: Remember we are looking for things that will enter common use on campuses, so most are already in use in business and industry or entertainment now
[18:48] Larry Pixel: How accurate are the predictions?
[18:48] Ionnes McBride: yes
[18:48] Larry Pixel: well that is a common question, but it is not one we particularly are focused on -- we look for ones that are interesting....but to answer directly, in 4 years, we've not missed any
[18:49] Larry Pixel: all are in common use within the time frames we thought. Some have converged with others, some have new names, but all have made it into common use
[18:49] You: Larry, is it useful for you to know HOW the project has been used?
[18:49] Ionnes McBride: cn i ask a second question?
[18:49] You: lol
[18:49] You: sure
[18:49] Ionnes McBride: nm...
[18:49] Ionnes McBride: go ahead
[18:49] Larry Pixel: for example we used to call things like Facebook "social computing"
[18:50] Larry Pixel: now it is called social networking -- or even a social operating system
[18:51] Ionnes McBride: i have a more specific question... we were discussing real gamers... and the fact that they won't use something SL, but want more of an MMO
[18:51] Larry Pixel: ahhhh
[18:51] Ionnes McBride: is that balance between the gaming and education possible in a way to reach hardcore gamers?
[18:51] Larry Pixel: welll I'd argue that Second Life and the other some 100 virtual worlds are not games at all
[18:52] Ionnes McBride: so would i...
[18:52] Larry Pixel: but merely share a commion approach to platform
[18:53] Larry Pixel: in my research, the most common actual games used in edu so far are not MMOs
[18:53] You: so, does this information help you, LArry?what the students are doing?
[18:53] You: for example, we just discovered that many people are using it to legitimize their work
[18:53] Larry Pixel: now in the military, that is not the case...they use games all the time for training
[18:53] You: is that something that is helpful to know?
[18:54] Larry Pixel: yes we very much appreciate this sort of support and expansion of the work we have done. I hope you will share your reports with us.
[18:54] You: lol
[18:54] You: they are all coming to you and Alan
[18:54] You: lol
[18:54] Ionnes McBride: willl we get paid? lol.. jk
[18:54] You: as part of their grade
[18:54] You: you get paid in the form of grades
[18:54] You: lol
[18:54] Ionnes McBride: typical teacher answer
[18:54] You: Larry is really busy and could only stop for a second to be with us
[18:54] Larry Pixel: will NMC pay you?
[18:54] Larry Pixel: no
[18:55] Desideria Stockton is a typical cranky teacher
[18:55] You: lol
[18:55] Larry Pixel: we are not-for-profit
[18:55] Ionnes McBride: oh okay...
[18:55] You: and I dont get paid either
[18:55] You: lol
[18:55] Larry Pixel: our purpose is to make contributions that help people, and all involved are violunteers
[18:55] You: but, NMC has been a great supporter of education here
[18:55] You: in SL
[18:56] You: and, specifically, the literature builds for Literature Alive!
[18:56] Larry Pixel: it was very very nice to meet all of you! Good luck with your projects -- and please, if you are comfortable with the idea, feed them back into the project.
[18:56] Larry Pixel: cya !
[18:56] You: so, this is our way to give back to them
[18:56] Eloise Pasteur: Bye Larry
[18:56] Ionnes McBride: thanks for you time... bye
[18:56] You: thanks, Larry :-)
[18:56] Larry Pixel: you bet
[18:56] Larry Pixel: one last thing
[18:56] Daliah Carter: bye larry
[18:57] Larry Pixel: you folks probably don't know how lucky you are, but Desi and Elo are two of the most creative people I know
[18:57] Larry Pixel: :)
[18:57] Desideria Stockton blushes
[18:57] Eloise Pasteur blushes
[18:57] You: ok, so that wa fun!
[18:57] Ionnes McBride: how do you "blush" on SL?
[18:57] You: lol
[18:57] You: we type it
[18:57] You: backslash
[18:57] You: like this /blushes
[18:57] You: try it
[18:57] Ionnes McBride: \laughs
[18:58] Nathamine Nemeth: /blushes
[18:58] Ionnes McBride: lol... my character just broke into laughter... that was funny
[18:58] You: like this /me blushes
[18:58] You: oops I forgot a word
[18:58] Daliah Carter: me
[18:58] You: so, like this /me blushes
[18:58] Desideria Stockton laughs
[18:58] Ionnes McBride laughs
[18:58] Ionnes McBride: cool
[18:58] You: there ya go
[18:58] You: ok
[18:58] Ionnes McBride: i learned something
[18:59] You: so, lets sort out where else we should look
[18:59] You: lets go to flickr
[18:59] You: www.flickr.com
[19:00] Ionnes McBride: i don't get what the usefulness of flickr is
[19:00] Ionnes McBride: (was that grammatically correct?)
[19:00] Nathamine Nemeth: I never found any video or slides there....just stills
[19:00] Ionnes McBride: ditto
[19:00] Ionnes McBride: and that didn't seem very useful
[19:00] Nathamine Nemeth: ditto
[19:01] Eloise Pasteur: flickr depends on what you're looking for
[19:01] Eloise Pasteur: There are all kinds of things there
[19:01] You: ok
[19:01] You: so maybe that isnt a place that is used?
[19:01] Eloise Pasteur: but it is mostly photos
[19:01] Nathamine Nemeth: I did a search for SL and business the other day...nothing
[19:01] Ionnes McBride: ditto
[19:01] You: is it fair to say some platforms (like slaideshare) are more useful than others?
[19:02] Nathamine Nemeth: certainly
[19:02] Ionnes McBride: i didn't SL and business too... that's funny... i could only find 15 good sources...
[19:02] Ionnes McBride: i did rather
[19:02] Nathamine Nemeth: I kind of stretched it a bit to find twenty
[19:02] You: ok, now lets just do a simple google search ... type this in exactly with the quotation marks..." NMC Horizon Report"
[19:02] You: see what comes up
[19:03] Ionnes McBride: okay... the actual report came up first... obviously
[19:03] You: ok
[19:03] You: then?
[19:03] Nathamine Nemeth: somethign from educause
[19:03] Ionnes McBride: "research agenda..."
[19:03] You: ok, they were a sponsor
[19:03] You: anything else?
[19:03] You: any blogs?
[19:03] You: other sites?
[19:03] Nathamine Nemeth: nercomp
[19:03] You: ok
[19:04] You: click that
[19:04] Ionnes McBride: one from "elearningneeds.blogspot...."
[19:04] You: do you see the pattern?
[19:04] Ionnes McBride: mostly blogs?
[19:04] Nathamine Nemeth: yeah
[19:04] Ionnes McBride: but are blogs cridible sources?
[19:04] You: well, no, others will list it
[19:04] You: yes, for this report
[19:04] Ionnes McBride: okay
[19:04] You: blogs ARE credible
[19:04] You: because we aren'
[19:05] You: t evaluating their use of the report
[19:05] Ionnes McBride: oh
[19:05] Nathamine Nemeth: they give fristhand accounts of how someone used the HR
[19:05] You: we are just saying - here are the pople using it and this is how they are using and why
[19:05] You: we aren't saying that the source is good or bad
[19:05] Ionnes McBride: rite... duh... sorry
[19:05] You: or the reasons good or bad
[19:05] You: no, it is a valid question
[19:05] Ionnes McBride: how many sources are you looking for?
[19:05] You: we are preparing an informational report
[19:05] You: I am looking for you to find EVERYTHING
[19:06] You: that tracks back to the NMC Report
[19:06] You: I want numbers
[19:06] You: charts
[19:06] You: anything that will help Larry and Alan
[19:06] You: as they prepare 2008 report
[19:06] You: who is using it
[19:06] You: how are they using
[19:06] Ionnes McBride cries
[19:06] You: why?
[19:06] You: well, some things can be summed up
[19:06] Ionnes McBride: sounds like a lot of work
[19:06] You: for example
[19:06] Nathamine Nemeth: does using the earlier reports(pre 2007) count?
[19:06] You: we found nearly a thousand tags on Del.icio.us
[19:07] You: no
[19:07] You: we are tracking back only to 2007
[19:07] Ionnes McBride: whew
[19:07] Nathamine Nemeth: that really narrows it
[19:07] Ionnes McBride: way to try to make it more work, Nath
[19:07] Ionnes McBride: lol
[19:07] You: ROFL
[19:07] Nathamine Nemeth: sorry
[19:07] You: no, you have enough to do, but that is why it is given to you upfront
[19:07] You: :-)
[19:08] You: so, I might do a chart
[19:08] You: that lists all of the web 2,0 applications I looked at
[19:08] You: and the tag I used
[19:08] You: so, to introduce the charte
[19:08] You: I would have an overview like this: In searching for uses of the 2007 Horizon Report, the tag "NMC Horizon" was used.
[19:09] You: The search yielded the following results:
[19:09] You: then the table
[19:09] You: Flickr 0
[19:09] Ionnes McBride: so... we don't have to use like... 40 different tags, rite?
[19:09] You: Slideshare: 516
[19:09] You: right
[19:09] You: I would use one or two
[19:09] You: NMC
[19:09] You: and NMC Horizon
[19:10] You: or NMC Horizon
[19:10] Ionnes McBride: what if we do it that way.... what if we do an analysis of the different tags and what we get from them?
[19:10] You: and Horizon Report
[19:10] You: that is one way to do the report
[19:10] You: but remember
[19:10] You: you also have to adress WHY
[19:10] You: and HOW
[19:10] You: can you get that from just a simple look at the services used?
[19:10] Ionnes McBride: yes?
[19:11] You: (no)
[19:11] Ionnes McBride: bummer
[19:11] Ionnes McBride: i figured it try it
[19:11] You: some services, like Del.icio.us and FURL
[19:11] You: just capture pages
[19:11] You: so, those will be fairly easy
[19:11] You: but YouTube
[19:11] You: and SLideShare
[19:11] You: you have to look at
[19:11] You: my advice is to send an email to your classmates
[19:11] You: tell them to read this chatr history (I will tell them to as well)
[19:11] You: and then work together
[19:12] You: so, all of you are doing some research
[19:12] You: sharing it with each other
[19:12] You: and then everyone can use it in the final report
[19:12] You: I can create a wiki for you if you want one
[19:12] You: or you can use the one that exists
[19:12] Ionnes McBride: a new one might make things simpler
[19:12] You: but, if you want to work collaboratively, that has to be generated by you
[19:12] Ionnes McBride: but i don't want to burden you w/ extra work
[19:13] You: lol
[19:13] You: it takes LITERALLY
[19:13] You: 30 seconds
[19:13] You: for me to set up a wiki
[19:13] Ionnes McBride: i have a question...
[19:13] You: I can set it up right this second
[19:13] You: if you know you want one
[19:14] Ionnes McBride: what are we going to have final-wise?
[19:14] Ionnes McBride: as in exame
[19:15] You: here is the wiki I just set up for you
[19:15] You: http://collegeenglishstudents.wikispaces.com/107JointNMCResearch
[19:15] You: and the final is an essay
[19:15] You: actually
[19:15] You: a short report
[19:15] You: and it is easy
[19:15] Nathamine Nemeth: another report?
[19:15] You: you answer one question
[19:15] Ionnes McBride: bummer... i was hoping you would so we didn't have one... just the Final project
[19:15] You: well, the dept requires one
[19:15] Ionnes McBride: what's the question?
[19:16] You: so, here is the question
[19:16] You: "Write an analysis report of how this course might help prepare you for the work force."
[19:16] You: it is worded a bit differently
[19:16] You: but that is the gist of it
[19:16] You: if you give me a thoughtful response
[19:16] You: you get 100
[19:17] Nathamine Nemeth: when will we do it?
[19:17] Ionnes McBride: when's it due?
[19:17] You: it is open during finals week
[19:17] You: for three days
[19:17] Ionnes McBride: okay
[19:17] You: you can start it now
[19:17] You: lol
[19:17] You: it is really easy
[19:17] You: you are just evaluating the class
[19:17] You: what you learned
[19:17] You: how you will use it
[19:17] Ionnes McBride: sounds great
[19:18] You: now remember where the majority of class points come from
[19:18] You: this report is a hige chunk of points
[19:18] Ionnes McBride: yes... gold stars
[19:18] You: huge
[19:18] Ionnes McBride: oh... that too
[19:18] You: so, put all your all into it
[19:18] You: because they go to NMC and I want to be proud of the work you have done
[19:18] You: and YOU want to be proud of the work you have done
[19:18] Scope Cleaver is Offline
[19:19] You: did you see the wiki?
[19:19] You: someone send an email to the class
[19:19] Ionnes McBride: okay... and you said you would post this on the blog? cuz i gotta run...
[19:19] You: I will post this chat right on there for you
[19:19] Ionnes McBride: thanks
[19:19] Scope Cleaver is Online
[19:19] You: with a link to it
[19:19] You: ok
[19:19] You: take care
[19:19] Nathamine Nemeth: I gotta run....and my internet explorer is misbehaving
[19:19] You: ok
[19:19] You: see ya later :-)
[19:20] Ionnes McBride: thanks for all you help, mrs, Stockton
[19:20] Eloise Pasteur: Bye:0
[19:20] Daliah Carter: good night guys
[19:20] You: lol
[19:20] You: bye
[19:20] Nathamine Nemeth: bye