Our guests for this episode are Jesse Kohler, Executive Director of the Campaign for Trauma-Informed Policy and Practice (CTIPP) in Washington, DC, and Whitney Marris, CTIPP’s Director for Trauma-Informed Practice and System Transformation. Whitney and Jesse remind us that belongingis not automatically experienced, no matter how lofty our goals or mission, and that creating true inclusion for everyone, at every level, IS the work of transformation. What follows is a thought-provoking discussion of mindset shifts and practical actions we all can use to transform our distress over the world-as-it-is into courage and agency to co-create the world as we dream it can be.