This episode starts with an exciting update on Jose Robles and his upcoming bond hearing. Then, we sit down for a round table discussion with a new guest to the podcast, Michael. Our conversation leads to a discussion on nuanced conversation and powerful stories from Kari and Joanne. To learn more about how you can help Jose, visit www.SanctuaryDowntownSeattle.com. Special Guests: Pastor Joanne Engquist and Pastor Kari Lipke.