const podcast = { episode: 238, title: 'Rise and Fall of JavaScript Libraries', topics: [ 'JavaScript', 'frameworks', 'accessibility' ], guest: 'Chris Ferdinandi' hosts: [ 'Craign Shoemaker', 'Ward Bell' ]}; Recording date: 6/1/2023

John Papa @John_Papa

Ward Bell @WardBell

Dan Wahlin @DanWahlin

Craig Shoemaker @craigshoemaker

Chris Ferdinandi @ChrisFerdinandi

Brought to you by* AG Grid * IdeaBlade

Resources:* Go Make Things Newsletter & More * zachleat.com * React * Preact * What Is Server-side Rendering And How Does It Improve Site Speed? * What is “Vanilla JavaScript”?

Timejumps 00:29 Welcome * 00:47 Introducing Chris Ferdinandi * 03:30 Why are JavaScript frameworks bad for developers? * 07:04 Sponsor: Ag Grid * 08:12 If you take JavaScript out, aren't you limiting apps? * 22:01 Sponsor: IdeaBlade * 23:01 How do you minimize your use of JavaScript? * 28:38 Accessibility and frameworks * 44:18* Final thoughts

Podcast editing on this episode done by Chris Enns of Lemon Productions.