It's a Very Exciting Time: Recent Episodes
Scott Vandehey & Chuck Lauer Vose
A podcast by a UFO nerd and his tolerant friend. Because if UFOs are real… what else? If any of this turns out to be true, it's a very exciting time!
Following his appearance at the recent Congressional UAP hearing, whistleblower Dylan Borland gave an extended interview to George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell, expanding on his claims of firsthand knowledge of crash retrieval and reverse engineering programs, and the reprisals he’s suffered, including medical malpractice and attempts to kill him. He also claims that the government has recovered tic tac UFOs from archeological dig sites!
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Recently, Congress held another UAP hearing! This one was primarily focused on the need to protect whistleblowers from reprisals. We were shown an unusual video of a missile appearing to bounce off a UAP, and we heard from three new military witnesses, including our first active-duty witness. Plus, legendary journalist George Knapp brought the receipts, naming names involved in the now-famous attempted transfer of UAP material from Lockheed Martin to BASS, which was shut down by the CIA, as well as a huge pile of UAP paperwork he smuggled out of Soviet-era Russia!
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TL;DR: To avoid burnout, we're taking an indefinite hiatus from the show, so we can figure out how to come back in a more sustainable way.
In the wake of Donald Trump and Elon Musk’s public feud, Immaculate Constellation whistleblower Matthew Brown posted a very odd tweet, addressed to Elon. In it, he claims that Elon was lied to about the White House having a future-predicting AI, implies that Sam Altman created (and then murdered) a sentient AI, that the DOE is concealing advanced propulsion technology gained from reverse-engineering recovered nonhuman craft, and included occult symbolism. Let’s talk about what it all means.
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The UAP Disclosure Fund held an informational briefing about UFOs for Congress. In addition to hearing from Chris Mellon, Avi Loeb, and Tim Gallaudet, we got to hear from Dr. Eric Davis, the alleged author of the Wilson/Davis notes. He spoke about his background in astrophysics and how he started investigating UFOs for Robert Bigelow, eventually becoming one of David Grusch’s primary witnesses. He answered questions about exotic material science, UFO flight mechanics, and even talked about the alien races that are alleged to be flying these craft!
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Matthew Brown has gone public as the whistleblower who wrote the Immaculate Constellation report. Join us as we review his three-hour interview with Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp, covering how he discovered the program on the Pentagon’s secret internet, his attempts to report it to his chain of command, and how he came to write a report for Congress and become a public whistleblower. Plus, his startling theories about who is behind all the secrecy and what it means for the human race.
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While we wait for the third part of the interview with the Immaculate Constellation whistleblower to drop, let’s talk about a surprisingly eventful few weeks in the UFO world, including a UFO roundtable at Congress, multiple new whistleblowers, and Lue Elizondo sharing a UFO photo that was quickly debunked, upsetting a lot of people in the community, and leading to fears of disinformation.
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Harald Malmgren was an advisor to multiple US presidents, including JFK, and involved in numerous historic incidents, including in the war room during the Cuban missile crisis. Days before he died, he gave a final interview to Jesse Michels, exploring his interactions with the UAP topic throughout his life. He makes several interesting claims, including that he saw footage of a UFO being brought down during a nuclear test, held UAP debris in Los Alamos, and was briefed on UAP crash recoveries by CIA deputy director Richard Bissell.
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UAP whistleblower Jake Barber’s group, Skywatcher, has had a busy few weeks. They announced they intend to prove mechanical and psionic UAP summoning by the end of the year. To support that goal, they released a scientific discovery framework, a structured way to handle UAP research, with six levels that each require more scrutiny before eventually graduating to public acceptance. Plus, they dropped the second episode of their documentary series, which discussed the mechanical “dog whistle” they’ve developed, with a 100% success rate summoning UFOs, and included a classification guide to make sense of the different types of UAP they’ve seen in their experiments.
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Rep. Eric Burlison has hired UAP whistleblower David Grusch to his personal staff. This will allow Grusch to advise Burlison (who is on the House Oversight Committee and is investigating UFOs for the Federal Secrets Task Force) on the topic of UFOs, and enable Congress to restore his clearance, so he can step into a SCIF to brief the Task Force, along with Lue Elizondo and Christopher Mellon!
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This week we’re bringing you updates to a bunch of long-running stories. We’ve got the latest on the Congressional UAP Task Force, as well as updates on NASA’s UAP efforts. Skywatcher is preparing their next video, Elon Musk is making some wild claims, and we’re diving into the White House’s unsatisfying official answer to the New Jersey mystery drone situation.
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Since the last Congressional UAP hearing, there has been growing demand for a UAP select committee, and pressure on President Trump’s administration to push for UFO disclosure. This week, we learned that Rep. Luna will head the Task Force On the Declassification of Federal Secrets, which will investigate, among other topics, the JFK files and the UAP topic, resulting in at least two further UAP hearings, and could represent a growing willingness in Congress to pursue the topic more seriously.
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- UFO crash retrieval program whistleblower Jake Barber made some shocking claims in his first interview with Ross Coulthart. Now, they’ve released the full-length 3-hour interview, as well as interviews with his supporting witnesses, another 3-hour interview with Jesse Michels, and Skywatcher’s first video documenting their attempt to summon a UFO. Join us as we discuss the additional details revealed about Barber’s story, including his cover work, retrieval operations, his encounter with Steven Greer and Michael Herrera, as well as a strange story about a summoned UFO landing before a nude hot springs.
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This week Ross Coulthart introduced his new whistleblower, Jake Barber, an Air Force veteran who has come out as a whistleblower claiming to have worked in the secret UFO crash retrieval program. He shared stories of recovering exotic craft from a testing range in the desert, where he and his team were made ill by their exposure to the things they recovered. Barber says he recovered at least two non-human craft. One was egg-shaped, and there’s video of the recovery. The other made a profound psychic connection with him. He also claims the military has “psionics teams” who request UFOs to land and be recovered. And finally, he says that while tasked to recover illegal evidence of UFO recoveries, he and his team were set up, and he’s gone public to protect himself. It’s a wild story, so buckle up!
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Mystery drone swarms in New Jersey and elsewhere are ongoing, triggering further FAA flight restrictions, snark from former AARO director Sean Kirkpatrick, and claims that FBI drone detection tech is inadequate. Perhaps most surprising, however, is that the Cybertruck bomber sent an email claiming to be read into a secret UAP program, and that the drones are Chinese technology, using “gravitic” propulsion!
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- It’s been more than a month of nightly drone swarms over New Jersey, and the sightings have now spread to four additional military bases, as well as civilian sightings coast-to-coast. The government attempted to explain the sightings away as hobby drones and misidentified stars, and made a bizarre claim that no sightings have occurred in restricted airspace. But with Air Force bases being shut down due to drone incursions, no one finds this explanation convincing, which raises the troubling question: Why is the government lying to us about the drones?
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Last year, mysterious drone swarms targeted Navy ships and Langley Air Force Base, nearly colliding with an F22 and causing a fighter squadron to be relocated. Despite intense investigation, their origin is still unknown. This year, the drones are back! This time they’re targeting several RAF bases in the UK as well as the entire state of New Jersey. They’ve been in the air every night for over two weeks. These drones are unusually large and quiet, and they can hover in place for hours at a time. Countermeasures are ineffective, and no one’s been able to track where they come from or go to. What is happening?
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AARO’s new director, Dr. Jon Kosloski, got his first moments in the spotlight this week, dropping the newest annual UAP report, hosting a media roundtable, and appearing before the Senate. He confirmed UAP are real, some cases are “truly anomalous,” and discussed some cases they’re investigating. He also shared a pretty unsatisfactory resolution for the 2017 GoFast video.
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In the latest Congressional UAP hearing, retired Navy Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet, former AATIP director Lue Elizondo, and journalist Michael Shellenberger testified that secret UAP crash retrieval, reverse engineering, and surveillance programs are being illegally concealed from Congress. Lawmakers were warned not to ask certain questions, AARO engaged in a disinformation effort against a witness, and whistleblowers have been harassed, threatened, and publicly discredited, all in an effort to prevent any attempts at public disclosure.
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Hot on the heels of the US election, we’re looking ahead to consider whether the upcoming government changes will impact the push for UFO disclosure, or the November 13 UAP hearing in Congress. We also discuss persistent rumors that the James Webb Space Telescope has detected signs of life, and why it’s probably nothing to get excited about. We’ll be back with an episode soon after the hearing!
Update: Congress announced the list of witnesses for the UAP hearing shortly after we recorded. (That’s what we get for trying to record early!) Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet and former head of AATIP Lue Elizondo will be joined by journalist Michael Shellenberger (who broke the Immaculate Constellation story), and Mike Gold, a former NASA official who spent 13 years working Bigelow Aerospace.
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This week we’re covering a selection of UFO-related news. The National Archives extended the deadline for government agencies to turn over their UAP files. Journalists George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell have received credible death threats, and have created dead man’s switches to trigger “catastrophic disclosure” if anything happens to them. The November UAP hearings in both the Senate and the House have been confirmed, and there are claims that the House hearing may center on new whistleblowers related to the Immaculate Constellation story.
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Journalist Michael Shellenberger broke the news of a new whistleblower who has provided a report to Congress on an illegally concealed Pentagon program called “Immaculate Constellation.” This is a parent program that is designed to “detect” and “quarantine” UFO data from the rest of the DoD. Could this lead to further disclosures during the upcoming Congressional UAP hearings?
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This week we’re covering a grab bag of UFO news that happened while we were talking about Lue Elizondo’s book. We’ve got presidential advisor Harald Malmgren announcing that he was briefed on the UAP reverse engineering program, stories of a massive and incredibly fast USO, a bit of information about the new Director of AARO, upcoming UAP hearings in both the House and the Senate, and the latest status of the UAP Disclosure Act. Buckle up, it’s a very exciting time!
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In Lue Elizondo’s book, he dedicates a chapter to a bizarre historical case that informed his UFO threat narrative: In 1977, in Colares, Brazil, UFOs attacked and terrorized thousands of people. The attacks were investigated, witnessed, and documented by the Brazilian Air Force. The resulting report, including photos of videos of UFOs, was covered up, until it leaked in the 90s, culminating with the death of a whistleblower.
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Ever since Lue Elizondo emerged as a whistleblower in the New York Times in 2017, the Pentagon has constantly changed their story about him. First they acknowledged he ran the UFO program, then they said it wasn’t a UFO program and Lue wasn’t involved. Lue claims it’s retaliation for going public, and filed an Inspector General complaint. Let’s get to the bottom of what Lue did in AAWSAP/AATIP, how he became the director of a reduced version of AATIP, and how he came to leave the Pentagon in protest.
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Lue Elizondo’s new book: Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs is finally out, and it’s jam-packed with fascinating information. Broadly speaking, Lue confirms David Grusch’s allegations about an illegally hidden UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program, but he also gets into the back story about how AATIP split from AAWSAP under his direction, how he left the Pentagon for TTSA, and how he and Chris Mellon have worked with Congress to advance disclosure. He also discusses his experience training as a remote viewer for Project Stargate, encountering orbs in his own home, how UFOs work, and even alien implants!
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Matthew Pines, the Director of Intelligence at SentinelOne, spoke recently about the UAP Disclosure Act being resubmitted for the NDAA, and the “major things” that are coming this summer to support it, including Lue Elizondo’s book, two documentaries with new people backing David Grusch’s claims, and “someone everyone would recognize.”
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Back in 1995 the CIA declassified a 20-year long secret spy program that used psychics! What was this program? Why was it declassified? Did it work? Why are we talking about this on a UFO podcast? We’ll dive into the answers to all those questions in this exciting episode!
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Today we’re talking about the latest high-profile figure to call for public disclosure of contact with a non-human intelligence, retired US Navy Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet. After serving as administrator of NOAA, he’s now on the boards of the SOL Foundation and Americans for Safe Aerospace, and is publicly advocating for further investigation into USO and increased undersea exploration.
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This week we’re checking in with Congress. Understandably, it seems the UAP issue is taking a back seat in the run up to the election, but we’ve still got a bit of movement on two fronts. First, there are several UAP amendments being considered for the 2025 NDAA, including improved whistleblower protections and possibly reintroducing the full UAP disclosure act. We’ll also look into when and if we might get an additional public UAP hearing from the Senate or perhaps the House Oversight Committee.
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Did you know that two different presidents have reported UFO sightings? Or that one president campaigned with a promise to open the UFO files? Find out which president is rumored to have attended a meeting with extraterrestrials at an air force base, and which president is reportedly afraid that he’ll be killed if he speaks publicly about UAP.
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We open up by sharing a story from two players on the Las Vegas Raiders who say the entire team witnessed a UFO that did not appear on radar while flying home from a game. Then we talk about Lue Elizondo revealing that he and other whistleblowers have received threats, and declares that he is not suicidal. Finally, we get into a juicy bit of drama where Brandon Fugal, the owner of Skinwalker Ranch, claims that Sean Kirkpatrick was in a briefing he delivered to Congress in 2018, and that Kirkpatrick asserted the truth of the UFO phenomenon. Kirkpatrick denied this, but Fugal produced a photo proving Kirkpatrick was there, which raises the question… What else is Kirkpatrick lying about?
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The SALT conference invited Karl Nell to speak to an audience of high-powered investors about non-human intelligence on Earth, which Nell said he has “zero doubt” is happening. He also discussed what disclosure might look like, why the government might be reluctant to disclose, and why they should do it anyway, as well as explaining why “catastrophic disclosure” could lead to societal collapse!
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A bit of a wild ride in this episode, all kicked off by Chris Mellon sharing a Signal conversation with an unnamed senior government official who claimed to be getting access to the crash retrieval program, including a “recovered UAP that landed in Kingman, AZ in the 50s.” The Kingman crash is a legendary and controversial story, so we’re getting into it today by discussing three witnesses of varying credibility, including a engineer who was bussed out to the crash site to estimate the crash velocity, a mechanical engineer who claims to have worked on flight simulators for human reproductions of the craft recovered from Kingman, and a microbiologist who claims to have worked with an alien survivor of the crash! Not all of it is believable, but if you accept the premise that a nonhuman craft crashed in Kingman in 1953, it’s hard to know where to draw a line in the mess of contradictory claims around the crash. Buckle up, we’re getting weird!
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It’s been a busy week! John Oliver dedicated an episode of Last Week Tonight to UFOs and government coverups. Chris Mellon released a scathing review of AARO’s historical UAP report. And a FOIA request documented AARO’s attempts to get David Grusch to testify, their failures to address his security concerns, and includes Kirkpatrick’s private Signal messages, where he badgers Mellon and is surprised by Marco Rubio’s claims about whistleblowers.
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All of David Grusch’s whistleblower claims were shocking, but none more than that the first UFO crash retrieval was in Magenta, Italy in 1933, and that Pope Pius XXII told the Americans about it at the end of the fascist regime. We’re looking into leaked documents that support this claim, and dive a little deeper into what both David Grusch and Lue Elizondo say about this case that predates Roswell by almost 15 years!
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In this episode we cover a pile of recent UFO news. Ross Coulthart says Congress smells bullshit from the AARO historical report. Rep. Burlison and the UAP Caucus formally requested a UAP select committee. The Joint Chiefs released their new UAP reporting guidelines, which seems to contradict AARO’s finding that there’s no evidence of nonhuman craft. Oh, and multiple Navy ships and Air Force bases have been swarmed by mysterious drones. It’s a very exciting time!
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After over a year of work, AARO has released the first volume of their report on the US government’s historical UAP investigations, and surprise, they found there is no evidence of extraterrestrial activity or of a reverse-engineering program. However, it’s worth putting this report in context of the previous 80 years of the US government saying publicly that there’s nothing to the UFO phenomenon, while taking it very seriously behind closed doors. In addition to that, the report is full of errors, bad citations, and the ODNI won’t endorse it. So it’s fair to ask: Is this report part of a coverup?
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The SOL Foundation held their inaugural UAP symposium back in November, and the videos are finally live. The talks are great, and in this episode, we discuss four of them: Garry Nolan tells what he learned from UAP materials he’s studied. Chris Mellon discusses the political consequences of disclosure. Kevin Knuth examines the physics of UFOs. And Karl Nell outlines a potential plan for controlled disclosure that avoids the negative consequences of catastrophic disclosure. It’s a busy episode, buckle up!
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It’s been a busy few weeks! There were five UFO-related commercials at the Superbowl. The SOL Foundation dropped the videos from their UAP conference. Congress had a minor freakout directly after a UAP briefing by Lue Elizondo. The DODIG found that the DOD’s lack of a coordinated UAP plan leaves the US at risk. And Sean Kirkpatrick’s article drew a lot of pushback, questions about whether he followed the DOPSR process, and raising concerns that he may be a disinformation agent.
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We’ve got a fun story today, one that’s reminiscent of the “EBO scientist” story we discussed a few months ago. Like that person, this Redditor claims to have been involved in a secret government research project. But where the EBO scientist was studying the biology of alien corpses, this person was helping to prepare a report summarizing what the government knows about alien society and motivations based on interviews with recovered UFO occupants!
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Recently the House Oversight Committee got a classified briefing from the ICIG, which gave them some new information, including locations to investigate. Whistleblower David Grusch gave a private presentation where he said he was part of a secret program to track UAP, and that a US adversary may be trying to force disclosure. Finally, former AARO director Sean Kirkpatrick wrote an article that tries to dismiss Grusch’s claims by teasing the upcoming historical report AARO will release. Hint: it says AARO has found no evidence of extraterrestrials or secret programs. Travis Taylor is unimpressed with Kirkpatrick’s “scientific” approach.
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in 1996, a UFO crashed outside the city of Varginha, Brazil. Several people reported seeing short beings with large red eyes, oily skin, and a strong smell of sulfur. The military cordoned off parts of the town, and captured two of the creatures. Witnesses were intimidated by men in dark suits. A police officer died of mysterious causes after handling one of the creatures. Then the US Air Force takes all the recovered crash debris and bodies. The Brazilian military denied everything, but the event got a lot of attention and is commonly called “the Roswell of Brazil.”
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We’re opening the show with a bit of a bummer, because Schumer’s UAP disclosure amendment in the NDAA failed. Some UAP language remains, but it’s been severely watered down to the point of being perhaps useless, but Lue Elizondo reassures us that there’s a plan B in the works. Ross Coulthart interviewed Retired Navy Admiral Tim Gallaudet, who says plainly that we’re in contact with a non-human intelligence. And lastly, David Grusch dropped some big news: He’s just gained security approval to reveal that he has firsthand knowledge from being read into a UAP program, and is going to release an op-ed in the coming weeks.
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In this episode we discuss the ongoing efforts in Congress to reconcile the NDAA, where top Republicans are fighting to water down Senator Schumer’s UAP Disclosure Amendment, especially the clause that gives the government eminent domain powers to claim any UFOs being held by private aerospace companies. We also look at why everyone’s using the phrase “catastrophic disclosure,” which comes from a leaked slide by retired Army Colonel Karl Nell, which outlines a gradual ten-year disclosure plan that would ease the public into accepting the reality of UAP.
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In this episode we cover some QuickHits of news, including a Congressional bill to restore Grusch’s security clearance, the HOC getting to read Grusch’s DOD IG complaint, AARO adding a reporting form to their website (that’s only for military and won’t accept classified info), and Dr Sean Kirkpatrick is retiring in December. Then we dive into a speculative history of the UFO reverse engineering program, as imagined by an aerospace engineer, which explores how a Manhattan Project-style program could have ended up in the hands of private aerospace companies, and how that might be tied to the February shoot-downs and Senator Schumer’s disclosure bill.
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AARO released the 2023 UAP report, which feels like a student turning in a last-minute term paper without having done any research. It only covers eight months, and doesn’t mention Grusch or any other big UFO news. Meanwhile, the House Oversight Committee got the DOD Inspector General into a SCIF, where he told them absolutely nothing. Oh, and the former director of a Pentagon UFO program released a new book where he says the US gained access to the inside of a UAP with no engine or way to fly, but won’t give any more details. And finally, this episode marks our one-year anniversary!
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In this episode, former UAP program director Lue Elizondo and UAP whistleblower David Grusch both predict that 2024 will be “wild in a good way.” Then we discuss the new Grusch interviews that dropped, which go into a bit more detail on why the government approved him talking about this stuff at all, the culture of secrecy, and how his autism worked in his favor during his investigation. And finally, the new Netflix documentary was quite good. It covers four different mass UFO eyewitness events, including the Ariel School incident and UFO sightings over Fukushima.
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It’s been a busy few weeks! We briefly touch on the Alien Mummy story in Mexico, report on some House UFO gossip, including another upcoming UAP hearing. We look at reports that multiple senators have been pressuring AARO to do a better job protecting whistleblowers, and a new article claiming more than 30 additional whistleblowers have come forward to the ICIG directly. And lastly, we discuss the report released by NASA’s independent UAP study team, which manages to make a lot of solid recommendations about NASA’s role in gathering UAP data moving forward, while also being dismissive and condescending toward the topic in general.
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References
- Rep. Luna: “Still working on a SCIF for Grusch.”
- Rep. Burchett: “Speaker promised another hearing, but no select committee because guys in intelligence were getting their feathers ruffled.”
- Rep. Burchett: “We’ve had the whistleblower, now we’re gonna get the government in.”
- Rep Burchett: “I was told we couldn’t have a select committee because we stepped on the Intel Committee’s toes.”
- Sen Rounds: “AARO needs to make sure whistleblowers can share info safely.”
- Sen Warner: “Rubio and I met with Kirkpatrick, this is a serious topic.”
- ICIG: “has not conducted any audit, inspection, evaluation, or review of alleged UAP programs”
- Rep. Burchett: “They have no info for Congress? Cover-up.”
- Matthew Pines: “Is it curious that an ‘investigation’ is not denied?”
- Chuck McCullough: “IGs are reluctant to speak to Congress because it leaks like a sieve.”
- Michael Shellenberger: Dozens Of Government UFO Whistleblowers Have Given Testimony To Congress, Pentagon, And Inspectors General, Say Sources
- NASA: UAP Independent Study Team Report (archive.org link)
- Red Sprite imagery: https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/11059
- NASA: NASA Shares UAP Independent Study Report; Names Director
- The Debrief: NASA’s UAP Independent Study Team Publishes Its Findings, as the Agency Appoints a New NASA Director of UAP Research
- Daily Mail: NASA panel 'neglected' wind data to claim GOFAST UFO 'drifted' in wind
- Ross Coulthart: “NASA only looked at peer-reviewed scientific literature.”
- Chris Mellon: “In just 5 years, we have Congress, DOD, and NASA engaged.”
We’re back with news from around the UAP community. First, Chuck’s here to talk about Avi Loeb’s claim to have recovered fragments of an interstellar object. Then we’ve got a quick update on more whistleblower activity. And finally, we’ve got some news about AARO, who recently moved in the org chart to report directly to Deputy Defense Secretary Hicks, who knocked some heads together and finally got their website launches (though it still has no contact info). Also, we discuss some reports that AARO themselves may be in possession of “anomalous materials!”
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References
- Avi Loeb: Discovery of Spherules of Likely Extrasolar Composition
- USA Today: Metallic spheres found on Pacific floor are interstellar in origin, Harvard professor finds
- The Guardian: Astrophysicist Avi Loeb: ‘UFOs should be the subject of mainstream inquiry. Science must bring clarity’
- New York Times: Scientist’s Deep Dive for Alien Life Leaves His Peers Dubious
- Liberation Times: People vs. Pentagon: The Battle for UFO Transparency
- Defense Scoop: Hicks takes direct oversight of Pentagon’s UAP office; new reporting website to be launched
- Kelly Chase: “Sounds like Kirkpatrick’s on a PIP.”
- All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office website
- The Debrief: The All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office Has Finally Launched Its Official Website. Here’s What’s Missing.
- Michio Kaku: “The burden of proof has shifted.”
- Liberation Times: Multiple Sources Confirm The Pentagon's UFO Office Has Coordinated Collection And Analysis Of Material From Unknown Origin
- Matt Ford: “Multiple people have bypassed AARO to file whistleblower reports with the ICIG.”
Although Congress is still on break for another couple weeks, we’re back with a bit of news. Reps. Burchett and Luna are still pushing to get a SCIF to hear Grusch’s classified testimony, but claim the DOD is stonewalling them. Ross Coulthart says the Pentagon and Intel Community are applying pressure to Congress to drop the UAP thing, and suddenly Rep. Turner says there will be no more UAP hearings in the House Oversight Committee to protect the reputation of the DOD. Plus, White House national security spokesman John Kirby dodges an opportunity to deny Grusch’s claims, while Gov. Christie laughs off a UFO question at the Republican presidential debate.
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References
- Rep Luna: “We’re working on getting Grusch clearance and access to a SCIF.”
- Jeremy Corbell: “Grusch has been muzzled, but it won’t last.”
- Rep Burchett: “We wrote to the ICIG for details.”
- The Hill: “Lawmakers want subpoena power in UFO inquiries”
- The Hill: “UFO whistleblower claims not denied by John Kirby”
- Jen Psaki: “I wasn’t on the alien or UFO portfolio.”
- Chris Mellon: “Sadly, no further UAP hearings in the HOC.”
- Klaus: “Lack of HOC hearings not the disaster some make it out to be.”
- Ross Coulthart: “The pushback from Pentagon and IC is intense.”
- Rep Burchett staffer: “Rep Turner convinced Rep Comer UAP hearings would harm DOD reputation.”
- Liberation Times: “Pressure Mounts On House Intelligence Chairman Following Dismissive And Baffling Approach To “Credible And Urgent” UFO Whistleblower Allegations”
- The Debrief: “Questions About UAP Enter the 2024 Presidential Race”
- Vivek Ramaswamy: “We can handle the truth.”
This week we’re covering two topics. Firstly, UAP whistleblower David Grusch’s past struggles with PTSD and suicide are published, sparking claims that the intelligence community is attempting to discredit Grusch and intimidate other witnesses. Then, we get weird, discussing a Reddit post where a molecular biologist claims to have worked in a program studying the genetics of alien bodies for a defense contractor. The details are fascinating, and there’s some indications that the scientist may be legit. Chuck and I are especially fascinated by his claims about the alien’s religion, belief in a “soul field.”
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References
- The Debrief: The Struggles of a Whistleblower: Separating Fact from Fiction in the Latest UAP Revelations
- Ken Klippenstein: “Multiple people told me to look at run ins with law enforcement.”
- Ross Coulthart: “The tip could only have come from Grusch’s security files.”
- Tim Burchett: “Someone needs to lose their job.”
- George Knapp: “Attempted slime job on Grusch is a warning to other whistleblowers”
- Lue Elizondo: “A veteran’s PTSD should NEVER be used against them.”
- Reddit: “I worked as a molecular biologist in a program to study EBOs.”
In this week’s exciting episode, we cover the aftermath of last week’s explosive UAP hearing, including Chris Mellon’s claims that AARO is withholding satellite imagery of UAP from Congress, the fallout and possible legal consequences of Dr. Kirkpatrick’s weird LinkedIn post, continued evasion from the Pentagon, and the major aerospace companies going into press lockdown following whistleblower allegations that they’re involved in the reverse engineering program.
References
- Chris Mellon: “AARO has not shared satellite images with Congress”
- Chris Mellon: “The oversight committees were asking about satellite data back in 2017.”
- Chris Mellon: “I've seen some VERY compelling evidence.”
- Liberation Times: Department of Defense Confirms UFO Chief Did Write Scathing Letter Following Public Hearing
- Rep Luna: “We had a witness testify he was in fear for his life and his former boss posts a letter attempting to discredit him? Seems odd.”
- Nick Pope: “firing off a personal missive like this was unheard of.”
- Rogue UAPTF: “Kirkpatrick’s statement was unethical and likely illegal.”
- Tim McMillan: “Never seen a sr civil servant publicly admonish Congress”
- Jeremy Corbell: “Interfering with Congress and whistleblowers is illegal”
- Eric Weinstein: “warring factions in the US government.”
- Sen. Gillibrand: “I asked for Dr Kirkpatrick to meet with Grusch.”
- Ross Coulthart: “AARO is sending a shocking signal - no phone, no email”
- Liberation Times: “Dozens of firsthand whistleblowers are frustrated with AARO’s handling of their claims.”
- AOC: “I do think something is going on.”
- Condorman: “sudden hard industry crackdown on all things UAP”
- NewsNation: “Lockheed does not deny whistleblower claims.”
- Ross Coulthart: “Why should DOD answer for Lockheed?”
- Condorman: “Executives’ past bonuses can be ‘clawed back’ if they’ve withheld financial significant information.”
- Attorney: “C-Suite will sing like canaries to avoid prison”
The House Oversight Committee’s UAP Hearing just happened, and it was remarkable! Navy pilots David Fravor and Ryan Graves recounted their historic UFO encounters, and intelligence community whistleblower David Grusch reiterated his claims that the government has illegally concealed a UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program from Congress. Though these claims have been heard before, it was notable that they testified under oath to an engaged and bipartisan group of representatives. There was no joking, no attempts to undermine the claims being made, and no political maneuvering. The tone was remarkably serious, and the clear impression is that Congress isn’t letting this topic go. They’re on the ball, and already talking about next steps, including the formation of a UAP select committee with subpoena power!
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References
- Video: Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency
- Opening statements from David Grusch, Ryan Graves, and David Fravor
- The Debrief: Whistleblowers Testify Under Oath Regarding "Craft of Non-Human Origin" and Military Encounters with UAP
- The Debrief: Congressman Provides Account of Military UAP Image That He Says Matches No “Human Capability”
- The Debrief: The Congressional Hearing on UAP: What We Learned From Yesterday’s Testimony
- Reddit: Grusch’s rank and type
- Sean Kirkpatrick: statement on “hearings and transparency”
- Rep Moskowitz: HOC working to get classified Grusch info from ICIG
- Rep Moskowitz: I support the creation of a select committee on UAP
- Chris Mellon: “I’ve been told we have recovered non-earth technology.”
- Sean Cahill: “People mischaracterize Grusch as a witness. He’s the investigating officer.”
- Reddit: “Wasn’t analyzing secondhand info Grusch’s job?”
- Kelly Chase: No legal mechanism to share classified info with public
- Kelly Chase: The firsthand whistleblowers are coming
- Kelly Chase: The popular debunker narrative is no longer tenable
They’ve announced the witnesses for the House Oversight Committee’s UAP hearing, including whistleblower David Grusch as well as Navy pilots David Fravor and Ryan Graves. Several Congresspeople are hopping mad about being denied access to videos and whistleblowers during a visit to Elgin Air Force Base, and they’re making it clear that the upcoming hearing is a direct effort by Congress to confront ongoing Pentagon interference in their UFO investigation. It’s clear Congress knows more than they’re saying… Could it be the reason they’re pushing so hard is because they already have smoking gun evidence?
References
- Video: Rep. Burchett and colleagues hold press conference on upcoming Oversight Committee hearing on UAPs
- Rep. Burchett: “I don’t believe they can keep their thumb in the dam much longer.”
- Rep. Luna: “The Pentagon answers to the people and thus Congress”
- Rep. Moskowitz: “Disclosure is coming!”
- Exoacademian: “This is not your imagination.”
- Dr Kirkpatrick: “We believe [the whistleblowers] have seen something.”
- Gaël Lombart: “It’s not clear to me that Grusch has no firsthand info.”
- Lue Elizondo: “You are wrong [that Grusch has no firsthand info].”
- Lue Elizondo: “Chris and I are still very much in the fight.”
- Chris Mellon: “Congress should ask the ICIG what it has uncovered.”
- Lue Elizondo: “I know Grusch personally and he’s an American treasure.”
- Ross Coulthart: “Here’s someone Congress should question under oath.”
- Post Disclosure World: “For those disappointed… the media will cover it.”
- Rep. Burchett: “We lost a witness because of Pentagon interference.”
- Rep. Burchett: “Why is the intelligence community blocking my amendment?”
- Yankeenate: “From a certain point of view, both Burchett & McGovern are correct.”
- Rep. Burchett: “We were denied access to footage.”
- Debrief: Pentagon Official Warns of Potential Threat From Extraterrestrial “Technical Supremacy” as UAP Hearing Approaches
- Mick West: “Witnesses have told their story before. What will we get from this hearing?”
- Garry Nolan: “Congress is doing this scientifically. This is the validation process.”
- Oversight Committee: “All witnesses are sworn in prior to delivering testimony.”
- NASA: “NASA was not requested to participate in the UAP hearing.”
- Mid Bay News: Members of Congress Lambast Eglin General Over UFO Information
- Rep. Luna: “The level of backtracking from the Pentagon is unreal.”
- Matt Gaetz: “I have seen evidence of craft that I am not familiar with.”
- Liberation Times: As UFO Momentum Accelerates, Something Has To Give
Huge news this week as Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer introduces the UAP Disclosure Act of 2023! This is a bipartisan NDAA amendment that would introduce a JFK-style UAP record review board who would review all government records with the intent to release all UAP items within 25 years. Huge! We talk about the implications of this, why it matters, and what the limitations might be. We also discuss the upcoming House UAP hearing, which has been scheduled for July 26, and the increasing willingness of Congress to take the topic seriously. Buckle up!
References
- Politico: House GOP plans to hold long-teased UFO hearing
- Reps Comer & Luna: “House UFO hearing date is July 26th.”
- Rep. Comer: ‘Lots of interest’ in possible UFO hearing
- Rep. Luna: “...it's very likely that there's other life forms out there...”
- Rep. Burchett: “We have the Pentagon pushing against us.”
- Rep. Gallagher: “Aliens, just call them aliens, okay?”
- Ross Coulthart: "A revelation from congress which makes the evidence incontrovertible…"
- Admiral Wilson: “I wonder why Congress hasn’t said we’d like to hear from Admiral Wilson”
- Marco Rubio: “Either this is the biggest story in human history or we have people who are crazy.”
- The Debrief: The ‘UAP Disclosure Act of 2023’: What We Know About Chuck Schumer and the Senate’s New Push for UAP Transparency
- Press Release: Schumer, Rounds Introduce New Legislation To Declassify Government Records Related To Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena & UFOs – Modeled After JFK Assassination Records Collection Act – As An Amendment To NDAA
- Sen. Schumer: “I’m introducing new legislation to declassify UFO records.”
- Sen. Schumer: “Honored to carry on the legacy of Harry Reid…”
- Ross Coulthart: “UAP amendments enjoy bipartisan support.”
- Klaus: “Records were improperly classified as ‘foreign nuclear info.”
- Ross Coulthart: “These UAP laws are extraordinary.”
- Joe Khalil: “Schumer likely highest ranking member of Congress to back something like this.”
- New York Times: Bipartisan Measure Aims to Force Release of U.F.O. Records
- Garry Nolan: “NYT article doesn’t mention Grusch.”
- Chris Mellon: “Little public benefit as recent UAP data is classified.”
- Marik: “Specificity of intel must have been extraordinary”
- Matt Pines: “Drafted with bipartisan support in complete secrecy”
- Liberation Times: Congress Initiates Plan To Reveal Recovered ‘Technologies Of Unknown Origin And Biological Evidence Of Non-Human Intelligence’
Chuck is out sick, but we’ve got a special cohost for today: Scott’s wife, Annie! We’re going to be discussing the continuing news of impending UAP hearings in both the House and the Senate, possibly this month! We have additional comments from Marco Rubios’ NewsNation interview, discussing whistleblower concerns that speaking out is punishable by death, and the specter of an unaccountable UAP complex. And journalist Ross Coulthart appeared on all the podcasts, and left some juicy bits of information for us, including the possibility that one of the recovered craft was too large to move, and they just built a building around it! Plus, whistleblowers under threat to sign new NDAs and some legal considerations around private contractors working with government-provided UFO material.
References
- Sen staffer: SAS UAP hearing in July
- Rep. Luna: Grusch to testify publicly at HOC hearing in July
- Sen. Heinrich: Skeptical of Grusch, but supports UAP hearings
- Ross Coulthart: Congressional hearings may bump to September
- Rep. Comer: Some UAP witnesses failed background checks
- Ross Coulthart: Failed background check witnesses were from Greer
- Marco Rubio: Full NewsNation interview
- Marco Rubio: Corrected transcript of NewsNation interview
- Daily Mail: Senator Marco Rubio worries craft retrieval programs are being run by 'internal military complex' that is 'accountable to no one'
- Daily Mail: Investigative journalist who broke Pentagon UFO story reveals MORE whistleblowers will come forward but they're scared of losing their jobs, safety and their security clearance
- Ross Coulthart: Secret UAP hearings for two years
- Ross Coulthart: Whistleblowers have been threatened to sign new NDAs
- Ross Coulthart: At least one aerospace co trying to divest itself of a craft
- Ross Coulthart: Some of these craft are so big they built a building over it
- Ross Coulthart: Jake Sullivan attended a Senate UFO meeting
- Houston Lawyer: We’re filing dozens of Rico lawsuits against contractors
Chuck is still on vacation, but the UFO news just keeps coming hot and heavy, so Scott’s back with another solo episode to keep you up-to-date. We’ve got several stories this week, including an alleged secret Canadian UAP reverse engineering program and continued denials from the Pentagon. But the biggest story is that Congress is taking the claims of whistleblower David Grusch very seriously. We’ve got quotes from multiple Congresspeople as well as new UAP provisions written into the upcoming Intelligence Community Authorization Act that will remove funding from UAP programs that haven’t reported to Congress and a ticking clock for defense contractors to turn over any UFO material or information they got from the government, or face penalties!
References:
- The New York Times: Ezra Klein Interviews Leslie Kean (Transcript)
- Liberation Times: Bombshell Letter Reveals Canadian Politician's Concerns Of Covert UFO Programs Involving Canada And Five Eyes Alliance
- MP Larry Maguire’s letter claiming Canada’s DARPA has UAP material
- Daniel Otis: Canadian defense minister denies allegations of crash recovery
- Ross Coulthart: Canadian response is not a broad government denial
- NewsNation: US has ‘downplayed’ the number of UFO sightings: Senator Hawley
- Matt Laslo: Rubio says UAP whistleblower first credibly vetted, referred to Congress
- Matt Laslo: Intel Chair Warner says gov’t has hidden programs from Congress in past
- Matt Laslo: Gillibrand scheduling hearings with UAP whistleblower David Grusch
- Liberation Times: Pentagon Unable To Confirm Or Deny Discovery Of Materials Originating From Non-Human Intelligences Or Unknown Origin Within Secretive Programs
- Douglas Dean Johnson: Senate Intelligence bill gives holders of "non-earth origin or exotic UAP material" six months to make it available to AARO
- Liberation Times: Senate Intelligence Committee Proposes Amnesty to Defense Contractors for Disclosure of 'Non-Earth Origin or Exotic Materials' in Approved UFO Language
- The Hill: Congress doubles down on explosive claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs
- NewsNation: Rubio: Recent UFO whistleblower isn’t the only one
- NY Mag: Marco Rubio Says He’s Heard Shocking ‘Firsthand’ Accounts of UFOs
- Matt Laslo: Rep. Burchett hopes to hold public UAP hearing in July
- Chris Mellon on Senate uncovering truth of off-world tech.
- Chris Mellon on Congress pursuing evidence of off-world tech.
- Gillibrand Secures Full Funding For UAP Office In Senate Defense Bill Markup
- Barnett Parker: Lockheed refers UAP question to AARO
- Ross Coulthart: Why should AARO have to answer for Lockheed?
Scott's coming at you solo with the latest updates on UFO Whistleblower David Grusch's story. This week we're covering his video interview with Ross Coulthart, where among other revelations he shared that the Vatican helped the US recover a crashed UFO from Italy in 1945, and that the US government possibly has "agreements" with non-human intelligences. Not to mention running a decades-long coverup and disinformation operation against US citizens. We also cover the latest Congressional reactions to Grusch's story, as well as Michael Shellenberger's story with additional sources confirming Grusch's claims.
References
- NewsNation: We are not alone: The UFO whistleblower speaks
- Reddit: Grusch Interview: The Big Stuff Summary
- Daily Mail: Pentagon whistleblower says the Vatican is aware of the existence of non-human intelligences and helped the US retrieve a downed UFO from Italian dictator Mussolini at the end of WW2
- Liberation Times: Unclassified Version Of David Grusch’s UFO-Related Reprisal Complaint Released
- Daily Wire: Congressman Heading Up UFO Hearing After Shocking Whistleblower Allegations: ‘We’re Serious About This Issue’
- Wired: UFO Whistleblower, Meet a Conspiracy-Loving Congress
- Washington Examiner: What should we make of UFO whistleblower David Grusch?
- Michael Shellenberger: US Has 12 Or More Alien Spacecraft, Say Military And Intelligence Contractors
It's happening! Whistleblower David Grusch, a USAF veteran and senior intelligence officer has provided information to Congress and the Intelligence Community Inspector General about illegal covert programs that possess retrieved non-human craft. This is a wild story, and we're going to talk about what he's claiming, why it's credible, how he differs from previous stories like Bob Lazar, and how the community is reacting. There's more to come, too, with additional interviews dropping shortly. If this is what it looks like, then this could be the start of Disclosure with a capital D!
References:
- The Debrief: Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin
- The Hill: Claims that UFO information was inappropriately withheld from Congress deemed ‘credible,’ ‘urgent’
- The Guardian: House of Representatives to hold hearing on whistleblower’s UFO claims
- Tim Burchett: “We are not alone, and we’ll get some answers.”
- Vanity Fair: Why The New York Times, The Washington Post, and Politico Didn’t Publish a Seemingly Bombshell Report About UFOs
- Liberation Times: Former Chief Scientist for Air Force Space Command Vouches For UFO Whistleblower's Integrity
- Ross Coulthart: “Grusch has given the location of where craft are stored.”
- Ross Coulthart on Grusch’s lack of evidence
- Kelly Chase on Grusch clearing DOPSR
- Reddit: Summary of David Grusch story
- Reddit: This is a major shift in the narrative
In this episode, we're talking about the NASA UAP Study Panel, who recently held their first public briefing ahead of their expected report in July. During the briefing, they questioned Dr Kirkpatrick from AARO, and agreed on the need for more and better quality data on UAP. We'll also talk about Dr Avi Loeb of Harvard, whose Galileo Project is moving forward with public data collection and announced they have plans to set up five additional observatories. And last but very much not least, we'll hear from Chris #UFODaddy Mellon, who says that if the US Government holds UFO crash materials, now is the time to reveal them!
References
- Jeremy Corbell: Whistleblowers are angry about AARO saying no evidence of extraterrestrial
- Tim McMillan: Dr Kirkpatrick is rated as a “Highly Qualified Expert”
- The Debrief: NASA, AARO and the Galileo Project Agree on the Need for a Scientific Study of UAP
- WSJ: NASA's UFO Research Team Briefs the Public
- The Debrief: NASA Study Team on Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Calls for Better Data, Ending Harassment and Stigmas
- The Debrief: NASA’s UAP Study: Here Are the Key Takeaways from Yesterday’s Public Briefing
- Reddit: Summary of NASA's UAP task force livestream
- The Hill: US military has been observing ‘metallic orbs’ making extraordinary ‘maneuvers’
- Liberation Times: NASA Confirms It Has No Official Position On ‘GoFast’ UFO Video
- Politico: If the Government Has UFO Crash Materials, It’s Time to Reveal Them
Dr. Garry Nolan, a well-respected Standard immunologist, was interviewed recently at a financial conference about UFOs. He said some fascinating things about UAP, the government's response, what they might be, and how to destigmatize the topic to encourage scientists to take it seriously. He also mentioned that a recent whistleblower testimony "created quite a hornet's nest in Washington!" We'll talk about Garry's background, and why we find him credible.
References
- Rep. Burchett on upcoming House UAP hearings
- Rep. Luna’s office says hearing will be public
- SALT conference video
We're back is a bit of followup on the recent UAP hearing. In particular a few red flags have been raised that seem to indicate that the DOD is, at best, dragging their feet, and at worst, actively working to sabotage AARO, the UFO office set up at the behest of Congress. In addition to that, we're hearing increasingly specific information about whistleblowers testifying to both AARO and Congress, which raises the question of why Dr. Kirkpatrick said there's no credible evidence. Something doesn't add up here, and it feels like pressure is building.
Also, we dub Senator Kirsten Gillibrand "UFO Mama Bear," joining the ranks of Chris "UFO Daddy" Mellon.
References
- Tim McMillan: AARO doesn’t have Title 50 authority.
- The Debrief: Here Are the Major Takeaways You Missed From the Recent Senate Hearing on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena
- Reddit: New letter from US Senators Mark Warner and Marco Rubio to DOD expressing concerns about NDAA provisions
- New York Post: Three months after Chinese spy balloon, DoD still hasn’t strengthened UFO analysis office
- Job posting: AARO Deputy Director
- Klaus: Job posting states that candidates should have expertise in “foreign material acquisition and exploitation.”
- Chris Mellon: “I find the testimony of US military personnel in the Nimitz case perfectly credible evidence…”
- Chris Mellon: “For Dr. Kirkpatrick to claim there is no credible evidence is disingenuous at best.”
- Garry Nolan: “Anecdotal evidence by credible witnesses… is data.”
- Garry Nolan: “The extraordinary claims/evidence meme is pretentious nonsense.”
- Lue Elizondo: “The fact is - I've already spoken to AARO at length.”
- Liberation Times: Senator Gillibrand Invites UFO Whistleblowers To Share Testimony With Her Office
- Daily Mail: Six whistleblowers who claim they worked on military UFO programs retrieving and analyzing crash material have come forward to spill their secrets to senior members of congress
- Reddit: The last five years have spoiled everyone…
For the last several weeks, rumors have been swirling that Congress was upset at the DoD over perceived foot-dragging on the topic of UAP. Sen. Gillibrand was demanding answers about a funding shortfall for the new AARO office, and many Congresspeople seemed frustrated with the lack of clarity from the military around the spy balloon shoot-downs. So when it was announced that a new public UAP hearing would be held soon, the community went wild. Speculation about what would come up in the hearing ranged from persistent rumors of whistleblower testimony about crash retrievals and reverse engineering programs all the way up to overt confirmation of non-human intelligence. In the end, the April 2023 hearing didn't cover any of that, and was more of a status update and view inside operations at AARO. We did get a new UAP video, a revised timeline for the next UAP report, some insight into how AARO investigates UAP cases, and hints of further hearings coming soon.
References
- Sen. Gillibrand, Rubio, letter about AARO funding shortfall
- Sen. Gillibrand asks DNI Haines about AARO funding
- Sen Gillibrand asks SecDef Austin about AARO funding
- Liberation Times: Congress Prepares For UFO Hearings As Frustrations Escalate Among Politicians
- Liberation Times: Make Or Break Time For Kirkpatrick As UFO Senate Hearing Approaches
- Reddit: Big news coming soon
- Dr. Garry Nolan: "within 6 months, insiders will step forward, and that will change things"
- James Fox: “multiple whistleblowers have testified to AARO and Senate Intel committee that UFO crash retrieval programs exist”
- Dr. Garry Nolan: “whistleblower testimony is about crash retrieval and contact”
- USSF MajGen Olson speaks on worldwide UAP sightings
- Ross Coulthard on Need to Know discussing upcoming hearing
- Full video of the April 19 Hearing
- AARO slide on UAP Reporting Trends from 1996-2023
- Drone footage of flying metal sphere in the Middle East
- The Debrief: Senate Hearing on UAP Reveals New Videos and Common Features, but Says No Proof of ET
- The Debrief: No Evidence of ET? Controversy Erupted After the Senate UAP Hearing. Here’s What the Critics Missed
Buckle up, because we're getting into the weird today! Recently, increasing reports have been emerging from US intelligence and government sources that UFOs may not be aliens, but our own descendants from the far future traveling back in time to avert an impending catastrophe. It's a wild idea, but there's a bit more substance to it than you might think!
References
- Black Vault: USAF Says All Photos / Videos of 2023 Balloon Shootdowns Classified
- Ross Coulthart: Why the secrecy?
- Politico: What the Biden administration isn’t telling Congress about spy balloons
- News Nation: Rep Burchett on new UFO hearings
- Michael Masters: Identified Flying Objects & The Extratempestrial Model
- UFO Rabbit Hole: Interview with Michael Masters
- Ross Coulthart: Theories of Everything interview mentioning future humans
- Unidentified Celebrity Review: Interview with Franc Milburn
- Wikipedia: The double-slit experiment
- NPR: Paradox-Free Time Travel Is Theoretically Possible, Researchers Say
- Quote: Banana Peels and Time Travel
- Temporal Anomalies in Time Travel Movies
- The UFO Rabbit Hole: Are UFOs Humans from the Future?
- Point of Convergence: The case for time traveling post-terrestrial visitors
- Point of Convergence: Reports of Future Humans Warring Over the Coming Planet-Wide Cataclysm
- PBS Space Time: What If Space And Time Are NOT Real?
- PBS Space Time: What’s Your Brain’s Role in Creating Space & Time?
In March of 2021, I saw a post in r/aliens on Reddit by the title “Retired Defense Intelligence Officer with a CE5 Experience to Share.” It got a lot of attention with a great story and some pretty phenomenal claims. The author, a woman named Anjali, who is a former defense intelligence officer, claims to have met a man in 2018 who excavated a tunnel to find an alien base in a mountain on his land in the Mojave Desert. He took her there, and she met beings from a council overseeing life on earth. They told her that she needed to wake up and remember why she’s here, because humanity’s days are numbered and those who fail to evolve will not transcend.
I'm super excited about today's topic, because the excitement surrounding Anjali's reddit post and the subsequent months of drama are what really got me fully back into the UFO topic, and started Chuck and I talking about it even before we thought of doing a podcast.
References:* Congressman Says Alien UFO Tech Is Being 'Reverse Engineered' in Secret * Lockheed Martin Challenged On UFO Legacy Programs, As Politicians Talk Hearings * Avi Loeb and the DoD’s Chief UAP Investigator Sean Kirkpatrick Say Solving Aerial Mysteries Requires Known Physics * Pentagon UFO chief says alien mothership in our solar system possible * Anjali’s original Reddit post * Anjali’s press conference * Wayne comes forward, says they were high and there were no aliens * Anjali says we have been “invaded by a more advanced race”
Y'all, it has been a wild two weeks since the US shot down three UFOs that turned out to be hobby balloons. The Pentagon is being weird about the balloons, the Senate is being weird about UAP, some sources claim the Navy told Biden that the Air Force is lying to him about UAP, and possibly as a result, Biden created his own independent UAP task force. Oh, and also, the Obama Library has thousands of pages of records about UAP? What is happening?
References:* Debrief: Excessive Secrecy Could Undermine U.S. Efforts to Evaluate UAP * Biden: Intelligence community says they’re private balloons * Aviation Week: Hobby Club’s Missing Balloon Feared Shot Down by USAF * John Kirby: We have not identified those responsible for the objects * BBC: US and Canada abandon search for three flying objects shot down * Debrief: US Senators Leave Classified Briefing on UAP with More Questions * Debrief: Pentagon has no plans to release images of objects * CNN: National security advisor will lead new “interagency team” to study UAP * Marco Rubio: Why create a new team when we have AARO? * Wall Street Journal: Pentagon’s UAP Office is Underfunded, Senators Say * Gillibrand: Bipartisan push for full funding of AARO * Lou Elizondo: comments on AARO vs new NSC team * Ross Coulthart: Navy commander told Biden about USAF coverup * Sen. Blumenthal: “The American people should be given more information.” * Liberation Times: Pentagon’s Silence on UFOs Threatens to Undermine Biden * Black Vault: Jackpot! 3k page & 23k electronic files in Obama Library * Black Vault: 16 years to review! * Black Vault: 5,196 classified electronic records in Obama Library * Black Vault: 12 years to review classified documents
We've got a jam-packed episode for you today. In addition to our planned topic, we open by discussing the news that the US has shot down a Chinese spy balloon, as well as two other UFOs! After discussing why they're likely balloons, but that's still interesting for the UFO community, we get to the main topic:
The 2001 Disclosure Project press conference at the National Press Club in Washington, DC. At this conference, Dr Steven Greer (who has become a controversial figure in the UFO community) brought over 20 military, intelligence, and government witnesses together to testify to what they know about UFO incursions in our airspace, and the off-the-books crash retrieval programs hidden in from proper government accountability.
It's gonna be a wild ride!
Resources:Balloon Overflights:* New Details on Unidentified Objects Shot Down Over the U.S. and Canada * Here is what we know about the unidentified objects shot down over North America * U.S. shoots down 'high-altitude object' over Alaskan airspace, White House says * Chris Mellon on radar detecting balloon overflights * Chris Mellon on recent shoot-downs * “Someone is getting quite a bargain.”
Disclosure Project Press Event:* Video: 2001 Disclosure Project National Press Club Event * Disclosure Project Briefing Document * Executive Summary of the Disclosure Project Briefing Document * New Yorker: How the Pentagon Started Taking UFOs Seriously * Ed Mitchell Most Unhappy With Greer Using His Name As Disclosure Witness * Unfriendly skies: The extraordinary flight of JAL 1628, Alaska’s best known UFO encounter * The Malmstrom AFB UFO Missile Incident * Rendlesham Forest Incident * Rendlesham Forest UFO sighting 'new evidence' claim
This week we're talking about one of the foundational cases in the world of ufology: Betty and Barney Hill, who had an unusual encounter with a UFO while driving through the mountains late at night in 1961. They arrived home late, unable to account for 2-3 hours of time during their drive. They later recovered memories of being taken aboard the craft by aliens who conducted medical tests. It's a foundational story that introduced the world to some common elements of abduction stories including missing time and grey aliens. It's also got lots of room to be skeptical, and we're going to dig into it.
Resources* Wikipedia: Barney & Betty Hill Incident * Ben H. Swett: Betty & Barney Hill Testimony * History.com: How Betty & Barney Hill’s Alien Abduction Story Defined the Genre * Strange Arrivals podcast * Repressed Memory Recovery: Useful Tool or Misleading Practice? * Skeptoid: Betty & Barney Hill: The Original UFO Abduction * Astronomy Magazine: Zeta Ridiculi Incident * Jim Macdonald debunking * David Halperin “ancestral trauma” theory
It's finally here! We've been waiting for the 2022 annual UAP report since halloween. We'll talk about what the report says, ask some questions about what it means, and dig into the community reaction to it. Let's go!
References:
- 2022 Annual Report on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena
- Reddit: "They took 8 pages to say: You asked us to keep track of UAPs. We did that…"
- Reddit: "We have only the best people reporting plastic bags maneuvering at high rates of speed."
- Post Disclosure World: "I'd argue the US government wants it to go away. But know it can't."
- Stand For Better: "several people are testifying with AARO regarding historical UFO crash retrieval programs."
- Chris Mellon isn't mad, just disappointed: "If the intent was to make the report as anodyne, unremarkable, and boring as possible, the authors did exceptionally well."
In 2004, the USS Nimitz carrier group tracked hundreds of anomalous radar signals while preparing for a training exercise. Commander David Fravor, flying an F/A-18 Super Hornet, was dispatched to investigate one signal and encountered an unusual flying craft he described as the "tic-tac." This incident was discussed in the 2017 New York Times coverage of the Pentagon's UAP office, including the now-famous "FLIR" video. Today we're going to discuss the incident in detail, and why it marks a turning point in the UFO conversation.
References:* Detailed Official Report On Harrowing Encounter Between F/A-18s and UFO Surfaces * What The Hell Is Going On With UFOs And The Department Of Defense? * Multiple F/A-18 Pilots Disclose Recent UFOs Encounters, New Radar Tech Key In Detection * Carrier Group In Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech Like Nimitz In 2004 Incident * Recent UFO Encounters With Navy Pilots Occurred Constantly Across Multiple Squadrons * Stunned by UFOs, ‘exasperated’ fighter pilots get little help from Pentagon
The 2022 UAP Report was due on October 31. It's December now, so where is it? Today we'll dive into what we know about the delay, and whether there are dueling factions in the US government on the topic of UFOs. But the good news is that the 2023 NDAA just passed, and it includes several really exciting additions regarding UAP, including protection for whistleblowers!
References:
- 10/28 — NYT: Many military UFO reports are just foreign spying or airborne trash
- 10/31 — Daily Mail: Only half of UFO sightings can be explained
- 10/31 — Exoacademian: "vast majority of hits in baseball are not home runs" tweet
- 10/31 — Eric Weinstein: "high performing seagulls" tweet
- 11/07 — The Hill: Pro- and anti-UFO factions in government? It wouldn't be the first time
- 11/16 — John Greenewald's FOIA request shows UAP report not released to Congress yet
- 11/29 — Ross Coulthart discusses the late UAP report and the "shameful" NYT story
- 12/03 — Chris Mellon discusses the late UAP report and the NDAA UAP provisions
- 12/08 — NDAA passes (more info on UAP provisions)
Chuck's out sick this week, so I've got a mini-episode for you. If you've enjoyed the topic so far, you might be interested in going a bit further. If so, here are some books, TV series, documentaries, and podcasts that I'd recommend.
Books* In Plain Sight: An investigation into UFOs and impossible science by Ross Coulthart, 2021 — Came out just before 2021 UAP report, feels like a good summary * UFOs: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials Go On the Record by Leslie Kean, 2010 — Covers nuts-and-bolts credible witnesses * The Believer: Alien Encounters, Hard Science, and the Passion of John Mack by Ralph Blumenthal, 2021 — Explores how a well respected Harvard psychiatrist risked his career to study abductees and experiencers * Sekret Machines: Chasing Shadows (fiction) by Tom DeLonge and A.J. Hartley, 2016 — Interesting insight into what Tom believes. NOT recommended: Sekret Machines non-fiction series
Series* Unidentified: Inside America's UFO Investigation, by History Channel, 2019 — The TTSA series focused on Lou Elizondo and Chris Mellon * Hangar 1: The UFO Files, by History Channel, 2014 — Netflix series that goes over famous cases in MUFON files * UFO by JJ Abrams, 2021 — A four-part Showtime series, good summary
Documentaries* The Phenomenon by James Fox, 2020 — Well-regarded in the UFO community as a summary * Ariel Phenomenon by Randall Nickerson, 2022 — Covers a famous incident at the Ariel School in Zimbabwe * Unacknowledged, by Michael Mazzola, 2017 — A bit breathless, but decent summary of what Steven Greer believes * Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers by Jeremey Corbell, 2018 — Perhaps overly credible, but interesting
Podcasts* The UFO Rabbit Hole, by Kelly Chase — Easily my favorite, Kelly is a great speaker, and thoughtful * Point of Convergence, by ExoAcademian — Get ready to go deep and weird * Need to Know, by Ross Coulthart and Bryce Zabel — Excellent discussion of UFO news by investigative journalists
Bob Lazar is arguably the most controversial figure in the world of UFOs. In a nutshell, Bob is a whistleblower who came out in 1988 with claims that he worked in a reverse engineering program for recovered alien craft that are kept at Area 51. Today we're going to get into it: Who is Bob, what does he claim, why did he come forward, and what are the points that make him more or less credible. Because if anything Bob claims is true? …It's a very exciting time!
References * Bob Lazar’s site * Jeremy Corbell documentary * Joe Rogan interview (I know, I know, Joe Rogan is awful. But the interview is quite good and you get to hear from Bob firsthand) * Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers, Explained * Robert Bigelow clears the air about Bob Lazar * Bob Lazar Says the FBI Raided Him to Seize Area 51's Alien Fuel. The Truth Is Weirder * Bob Lazar Speaks Out About Area 51 And S-4 * Bob Lazar's story, is it believable? * Google Maps: Area 51
The Admiral Wilson Memo — aka, The Wilson-Davis Notes, The Core Secrets Memo, etc — is a document that records an alleged conversation between astrophysicist Dr. Eric Davis and Admiral Wilson, the recently retired director of the DIA. They discuss Wilson's attempts to locate a secret UFO program in the military, which he found, and was denied access to. The document is controversial to say the least, but the story is fascinating, and if it's true, reveals the existing of a secret crash retrieval and reverse engineering program!
References:
- Complete Summary of Wilson Davis Memo
- ‘UFO leak of the century’ contained in 15-page document, historian says
- The Amazing Wilson-Davis Documents
- Stanford Prof. & US Navy Vet’s Claims Might Prove Wilson-Davis UFO Memo Is Authentic
- The Wilson-Davis Memo is Authentic
We're talking about how all the big UFO news we discussed in our last episode — from the 2017 New York Times article to congressional hearings — can be traced back to Tom Delonge. Yes, that Tom DeLonge. The lead singer of Blink 182. Buckle up, this one's a wild ride.
References:
- Politico: How Harry Reid, a Terrorist Interrogator and the Singer From Blink-182 Took UFOs Mainstream
- UFO Rabbit Hole: Mr. DeLonge Goes to Washington, part 1
- UFO Rabbit Hole: Mr. DeLonge Goes to Washington, part 2
- That UFO Podcast: Tom DeLonge Profile, part 1
- That UFO Podcast: Tom DeLonge Profile, part 2
"Really? You wanna be the UFO guy?" Yeah, actually, I do! Because I think most people don't understand that since 2017 there has been a rapid increase in astonishing information about UFOs. From the 2017 New York Times article disclosing the existence of a secret Pentagon UFO program, to the release of confirmed Navy videos of UFOs, to Congress demanding an annual report about what the military knows about UFOs, to the recent proposal to grant immunity to UFO program whistleblowers — there's been a LOT!
When I was growing up, UFOs were treated as a joke. News reports would include the X-Files theme, and anyone talking about the subject seriously would get teased about "little green men." But that seems to be changing. More and more, the topic is taken seriously.
And the thing is, once you accept, as Congress and the Pentagon seem to have, that there are unidentified craft flying around the sky… what else is real? If it's true? It's a very exciting time!
References:
- New York Times 2017: Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program
- New York Times 2019: ‘Wow, What Is That?’ Navy Pilots Report Unexplained Flying Objects
- Politico 2019: Senators get classified briefing on UFO sightings
- Politico 2020: Senators want the public to see the government's UFO reports
- New York Times 2020: No Longer in Shadows, Pentagon’s U.F.O. Unit Will Make Some Findings Public
- June 2021 ODNI: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena
- Politico 2021: ‘This is urgent’: Bipartisan proposal for UFO office pushes new boundaries
- Politico 2022: Pentagon getting more UFO reports now that 'stigma has been reduced'
- War Zone 2022: UFO Whistleblowers Would Get Immunity Under New Amendment
- Motherboard 2022: Congress Admits UFOs Not ‘Man-Made,’ Says ‘Threats’ Increasing ‘Exponentially’