Bao Podcast: Recent Episodes
Bao Living
Every month, we invite a guest on the Bao Podcast who's active in the construction industry. With our guests, we discuss the latest evolutions and the future of this interesting industry. Want to learn more about Bao Living? Visit https://en.baoliving.com/
In this episode, we sit down with the co-founder and CEO of Urban Jungle Project, a company rethinking how nature can live inside our cities, from green rooftops and living facades to forgotten urban spaces turned into climate-proof ecosystems.We talk about urban heat, biodiversity, 3D-printed jungle blocks, smart plant monitoring, and why the cities of tomorrow may need to look a lot less grey.Let’s dive in.Shownotes:The Urban Jungle Project (https://www.theurbanjungleproject.com/en/) Daan Grasveld (https://www.linkedin.com/in/daangrasveld/)Sony Music Entertainment (https://www.sonymusic.com/) Picnic Supermarkets (https://jobs.picnic.app/en/about-picnic)Ebben Tree Nursery (https://www.ebben.nl/en/)Nos (https://nos.nl/)TU Delft (Delft University of Technology) (https://www.tudelft.nl/en/)Timestamps:00:11: Intro01:41: Dan’s professional background03:10: Spark for the project05:43: Pivot from energy to nature07:04: Global urbanization challenges08:35: Urban Heat Island effect12:12: Benefits of green roofing14:28: The business case for nature15:48: Launching the first pilot19:45: Founder and partnership dynamics21:54: Choosing heart over head26:55: Embracing generalist leadership29:37: Advantage of organic growth37:59: Modular and lightweight tech39:57: Sensors and maintenance care42:47: Overcoming growth constraints44:47: Measuring biodiversity and impact51:21: Future company vision52:18: Closing and contact info
Our guest is Tom Willemen, CEO of Willemen Groep, a leading Belgian construction powerhouse spanning infrastructure, real estate, and civil engineering. Under his leadership, the group has become a frontrunner in sustainability and digital transformation. As Chairman of Embuild, Tom is a vocal advocate for industrialising the sector and modernising the construction ecosystem. Today, we discuss the challenges and future of the industry.
Show notes:
Willemen Groep (https://www.willemen.be/en)
Tom Willemen (https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomwillemen/)
BuildWise (https://www.buildwise.be/en/)
BuildWise Vision Comittee publication on “Circularity” (https://www.buildwise.be/media/xmtbgbcw/bwi_visiedocument_circularity.pdf)
BuildWise Vision Committee publication “Finance and Affordability of construction in 2031” (https://www.buildwise.be/media/apephizu/bwi-230201-visierapport_1i23-int.pdf)
Time stamps:
00:00 Intro
01:50 Inside Willemen Groep: what “day-to-day” really looks like
2:40 Challenges in the construction industry
5:06 Potential solutions and innovation
10:07 Finding time to think in an industry that never stops
11:11 The BuildWise vision committee
12:23 Zooming in the Circularity report
16:09 The Affordability report
18:03 Leadership in construction
21:13 Lessons and setbacks of Willemen Groep
24:48 Vision for the Future: 2040
31:40 The most difficult ecosystem part to redesign
34:56 Tips and tricks to stay informed and keep learning
38:30 Outro
In this episode we speak with Joachim De Vos, Co-chair and Managing Partner of Living Tomorrow, founder of TomorrowLab, and professor of scenario planning at Ghent University.
Since the early 1990s, when the first House of the Future opened its doors, Joachim has helped organizations and policymakers prepare for what’s next through foresight, scenario planning, and innovation strategy.
He is also the author of Why Innovation Fails, which examines the pitfalls of innovation and how companies can become “future fit.” The book features a deep dive into the Kodak case, developed with Steven Sasson, the inventor of the digital camera.
We talk about the lessons of innovation success and failure, how to keep a strong vision alive inside complex organizations, and the future shifts Joachim believes will change how we live and work.
Show notes:
Living Tomorrow (https://www.livingtomorrow.com/nl/)
TomorrowLab (https://www.tomorrowlab.com/)
Joachim De Vos (https://www.linkedin.com/in/joachimdevos/?originalSubdomain=be)
Frank Belien (https://www.linkedin.com/in/frank-belien-66a6b815/?originalSubdomain=be)
Joachim De Vos - Why Innovation fails (https://www.lannoo.be/nl/why-innovation-fails-0)
Evi Gruyaert - Waarom luisteren gelukkig maakt (https://www.pelckmansuitgevers.be/waarom-luisteren-gelukkig-maakt.html)
Time stamps:
00:00 Intro
03:35 Bill Gates at the opening of the house of the future
9:00 About the first house of the future
13:00 About the second house of the future
14:45 About the current evolutions
30:30 How does not being CEO anymore shift your focus?
39:30 What are good tools to better handle organizations?
45:30 Thinking about the future is art
48:00 Outro
In episode 41, we speak with Steven Van Passel, Professor in Environmental Economics and Vice-Rector for Valorisation and Sustainability at the University of Antwerp.Steven leads the EnvEcon group, a multidisciplinary research team focused on sustainability assessments in energy, food systems, and the circular economy. With a background in agricultural economics and years of experience advising climate and nitrogen panels, Steven offers a grounded, systems-level view on how to move from research to real-world impact.We talk about how to translate science into societal value, why systems thinking is essential, and what role technology should play in the sustainable transition of our built environment.Show notes:
Steven Van Passel’s research + contact👉 https://www.uantwerpen.be/nl/personeel/steven-vanpassel/ENV‑ECON Research Group👉 https://www.uantwerpen.be/en/research-groups/env-econ/Planetary Boundaries (Stockholm Resilience Centre)👉 https://www.stockholmresilience.org/research/planetary-boundaries.htmlProgramma Aanpak Stikstof (PAS) – Nederland👉 https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/natuur-en-biodiversiteit/stikstofIEA – Solar PV Market Report👉 https://www.iea.org/reports/solar-pvEllen MacArthur Foundation – Circular Economy & Plastics👉 https://ellenmacarthurfoundation.org/plasticsNature‑based Solutions (Oppla – EU-database)👉 https://oppla.eu/nature-based-solutionsGrand Hotel Europa – Ilja Leonard Pfeijffer👉 https://www.standaardboekhandel.be/p/grand-hotel-europa-9789029526227 Voorbij duurzaamheid – Op weg naar een ecorechtvaardige samenleving – Shivant Jhagroe👉 https://www.walburgpers.nl/nl/book/9789464564259/voorbij-duurzaamheidTimestamps:
[00:00] Intro [02:00] How Steven became an environmental economist [03:03] What markets get wrong about sustainability [13:35] Nitrogen, farming, and the housing crisis [19:15] Trade-offs in climate policy and why timing matters [21:50] The real impact of solar panels and tech optimism [32:02] How oil prices affect recycling and circularity [32:55] Can Europe lead if others lag behind? [48:30] What gives Steven hope (and concern) [50:10] Why adaptation is no longer optional [55:50] Book tip & dream dinner guest [01:04] Outro
For Episode 40 of the Bao Podcast, we welcome Noor Huitema-Hellemans, co-founder of Copper8, a consultancy helping organizations rethink value, governance, and collaboration.Based in Amsterdam, Copper8 challenges businesses to move beyond short-term profit and focus on long-term impact. Their work bridges research and practice, supporting clients in sectors like construction, finance, and manufacturing to drive systemic change.In this episode, we explore what it takes to lead a purpose-driven company, how to align financial and environmental value, and why true transformation starts with asking the right questions.
Copper8 (https://www.copper8.com/)
LinkedIn Noor Huitema-Hellemans (https://www.linkedin.com/in/noorhuitemahelleman/)
Ellen MacArthur Foundation (https://ellenmacarthurfoundation.org/)
Planetary Boundaries Documentary on Netflix (https://www.netflix.com/)
CSRD - Corporate Sustainability Reporting Directive (https://finance.ec.europa.eu/capital-markets-union-and-financial-markets/company-reporting-and-auditing/company-reporting/corporate-sustainability-reporting_en)
Mahatma Gandhi (https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi)
Time stamps:
0:00 Intro
1:55 Noor’s motivation for systemic change
4:30 From traditional consultancy to founding Copper8
8:50 Choosing impact over growth: the 15-person team limit
13:00 Bridging research and practice to accelerate change
26:20 Circularity beyond materials: financial and environmental value
34:10 The role of legislation and market awareness
38:15 Who should reach out to Copper8?
43:50 Outro
Episode 39 of the Bao Podcast is a special episode - first, because it’s the first podcast recorded at an external location. And second, because of our guest: a man who needs no introduction... but I’ll give him one anyway - Thomas Rau!
As founder of RAU Architects, Turntoo and Madaster, Thomas is a visionary thinker who challenges the way we design, build, and use materials. His concept of material passports and circular construction is reshaping the industry, proving that buildings should be seen not just as structures but as resource banks for the future.
His innovative approach has not gone unnoticed - he has received numerous awards, including the ARC13 Oeuvre Award, the Circular Economy Leadership Award, and the World Green Building Council Chairman’s Award.
Get ready for an inspiring conversation about innovation, responsibility, and the architecture of tomorrow!
RAU Architects (https://anewdawn.rau.eu/)
Turntoo (https://turntoo.com/)
Madaster (https://madaster.com/)
Time stamps:
0:00 Intro
01:30 How Thomas started his career
07:30 Stories about accidents and diseases and how it changed his vision and motivation
17:30 Sustainability vs circularity
21:30 Changing mindset is the only way to make an impact
28:45 Conflict cost - change
39:00 Advising to the king of Bhutan
48:30 Material passports
57:30 Outro
For episode 38 of the Bao Podcast, we welcome 2 people: Kostas Anastasiades & Ben Moins. Both are senior researchers at the faculty of Applied Engineering at the University of Antwerp.
They are also linked to the service platform B.Cycle where Kostas serves as an expert on circularity and Ben is the program manager focussing on sustainability.
Both of them are writing and doing a lot of research on circularity, recycling and waste management, sustainability assessment and much more.
At Bao Living, all these issues are close to our hearts, and we also try to do our part to find solutions to these problems. So we’re very curious to hear more from their insights!
Ben’s research + contact (https://www.uantwerpen.be/nl/personeel/ben-moins_19251/)
Kostas’ research + contact(https://www.uantwerpen.be/nl/personeel/kostas-anastasiades/)
Circular value institute(https://www.circularvalueinstitute.com/team)
B.CYCLE (https://bcycle.be/)
Constantine The Great (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great)
Leonardo da Vinci (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_da_Vinci)
Time stamps:
0:00 Intro
1:30 Ben’s research
9:30 Kostas’ research
18:30: Implementation of research
30:15: About B.CYCLE
34:45 Are there historical practices in construction that we can learn from today?
39:30 Price vs sustainability
47:45 Where do we see the construction industry in a couple of years?
51:25 What are the barriers of today’s society to increase circularity in construction?
54:20 Outro
Lieven is the CEO of Lito and has already participated in the Bao Podcast almost 2 years ago, and is now back for part 2.
He and his team managed to develop the ‘Litobox’: which contains every component you need for heating and cooling your house and for making domestic hot water. It combines a ventilation system that guarantees air quality, a rainwater purification system, the indoor components for a photovoltaic installation and an electrical switchboard with internet equipment. Optionally, a battery pack can be added as well.
Thanks to off-site assembly and testing, your building process is enormously speeded up, as it can be installed, connected, and commissioned in a few hours.
Show notes:
Lito (https://lito.be/en/)
Lito & Bao Living collaboration for ION (https://www.baoliving.com/projecten/moderne-nieuwbouw-appartementen-in-brussel)
Time stamps:
0:00 Intro
1:30 Three biggest milestones since previous episode
21:15 Biggest challenges since previous episode
32:25 Surprising/Inspiring customer feedback
42:20 Lessons learned in entrepreneurship
52:00 Outro
For Episode 36 of the Bao Podcast, we introduce you to Pieter-Jan Loyens, the Managing Director of Encon. This is an agency, based in Bilzen, that supports businesses with creative and innovative solutions in their transition toward becoming more sustainable.
They distinguish themselves through their unique combination of ecology and economy, linking environmental awareness with cost savings and profitability for their clients.In recent years, they have built a strong market position with this approach.
One of their most remarkable projects might be their own headquarters in Bilzen, Infinity. It is considered one of the most sustainable office buildings in Europe. With several sustainability certificates as LEED and BREEAM, the design serves as a showcase for innovative technologies and sustainable architecture.
Show notes:
Encon (https://www.encon.eu/nl-BE)
Pieter-Jan Loyens (https://be.linkedin.com/in/pieter-jan-loyens/en)
Robin Bruninx (https://www.linkedin.com/in/robinbruninx)
Hasco Invest (https://hascoinvest.be/nl/home)
Jean Jacques Velkeniers (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jean-jacques-velkeniers-1053b11/)
BREEAM (https://breeam.com/)
LEED (https://www.usgbc.org/leed/)
Tectum Group (https://www.tectumgroup.be/)
HNST Jeans (https://www.supergoods.be/blogs/supergoods-news/welkom-bij-supergoods-de-belgische-duurzame-jeans-van-hnst)
Vario Food (https://variofood.be/)
Upgrade Estate (https://upgrade-estate.be/)
Wanaka Partners (https://wanakapartners.com/)
Ellen MacArthur (https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_MacArthur)
Ignace van Doorselaere, ‘De essentie’ (https://4-f.be/publicaties/de-essentie)
Daniel Kahneman, ‘Thinking Fast & Slow’ (https://www.bol.com/be/nl/f/thinking-fast-and-slow/9300000043254613/)
Michael Lewis, ‘The Undoing Project’ (https://www.bol.com/be/nl/f/the-undoing-project/9200000065157549/)
Time stamps:
0:00 Intro
2:00 Founding story of Encon
10:30 Examples of how Encon are helping companies
19:30 Pieter-Jan’s key learnings throughout his career
26:15 Work of Encon in construction industry
29:30 Sustainability certificates: how do you achieve them?
34:30 Promising methodologies in construction
38:30 Good business cases for big battery installations
43:45 Cost of batteries dropping
45:00 Circular frontrunners in Belgium
48:10 Reach out to Pieter-Jan or Encon via the information in the show notes!
49:00 Outro
For episode 35 of the Bao Podcast, we invited Anneleen Desmyter, the CEO of Yally. This is an innovative company based in Antwerp that’s redefining property management with a future-focused approach.
Yally’s mission centers around buying homes and transforming them into energy-efficient, tenant-friendly spaces. As a forward-thinking landlord, Yally prioritizes both comfort and affordability for tenants, using smart technology to cut down on energy costs and provide an all-inclusive service through their online platform, MijnYally.be.
Yally (https://yally.be/)
Quares (https://quares.be/nl/)
The 4-Hour Workweek by Timothy Ferriss (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/368593.The_4_Hour_Workweek)
Time stamps:
0:00 Intro
01:00 About Anneleen and Jally
05:50 Opportunities they saw when founding Yally
10:40 Meaning behind the name
13:15 Yally's activities and insights in the market
55:00 Outro
For episode 34 of the Bao Podcast, we invited once again a familiar face. He was one of our first guests, and is back today: Arne Allewaert. Arne is a co-founder and Managing Partner at AMAVI Capital.
AMAVI is a fully independent investment fund with a pan-European scope, established to support the growth of the leading and most promising scale-ups active in the PropTech industry. AMAVI bridges the traditional real estate industry on the one hand and European PropTech scale-ups on the other.
AMAVI Capital (https://amavi.capital/)
YouStock (https://www.youstock.com/)
Casafari (https://www.casafari.com/)
Team.blue (https://team.blue/)
Enpal (https://www.enpal.de/)
Cintoo (https://cintoo.com/)
Shayp (https://www.shayp.com/)
Hydraloop (https://www.hydraloop.com/)
‘The Last Dance’ on Netflix (https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Dance)
‘The Man Who Solved the Market’ - Gregory Zuckerman (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/43889703-the-man-who-solved-the-market)
Time stamps:
0:00 Intro
1:30 Biggest changes and lessons since previous episode
19:55 Looking for opportunities in certain verticals
31:00 Companies on the forefront of sustainability
39:00 Some of the companies in the AMAVI portfolio
42:00 Water investments
45:30 Outro
After a nice summer break we’re back with a new episode with a familiar face: Chris Van de Voorde! Chris is the founder of JuuNoo, a company based in the Kortrijk area, but which is already active on the other side of the ocean.
Chris runs Belgium's fastest-growing sustainable company. With JuuNoo, he develops demountable walls, a beautiful story of Belgian circularity that is now also being sold in America. The company has grown tremendously since Chris’ last visit to the Bao Podcast. Therefore, we’re very excited to hear more about it.
Show notes:
Hannah Ritchie - Not the End of the World: How We Can Be the First Generation to Build a Sustainable Planet (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/145624737-not-the-end-of-the-world)
The Circular Value Institute (https://www.circularvalueinstitute.com/)
Everyday Astronaut: First look inside SpaceX’s Starfactory w/ Elon Musk (https://youtu.be/aFqjoCbZ4ik?si=su73p5mIrCtfghIj)
Walter Isaacson - Elon Musk (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/122765395-elon-musk)
Lex Fridman Podcast - Elon Musk: Neuralink and the Future of Humanity (https://open.spotify.com/episode/1seRMg5Zdg5nBuw0W4Q3WB?si=93588340b4b94ea8)
Ash Maurya - Running Lean (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13078769-running-lean)
Ben Horowitz - What You Do Is Who You Are: How to Create Your Business Culture (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/44063692-what-you-do-is-who-you-are)
Time stamps:
0:00 Intro
1:20 About JuuNoo + changes since previous episode
8:35 Learnings from expanding to the USA
18:50 Looking ahead: future ambitions
25:20 About combining growth and circularity
39:15 Which market would you like to enter next?
41:00 Exciting new technologies
43:30 Outro
For episode 32 of the Bao Podcast, we invited a familiar face! Sunita Van Heers returns for a second episode. She’s the founder and managing director of SuReal.
SuReal is a consultancy firm that supports companies and government agencies in making buildings, city projects and their companies more sustainable. Through a multitude of services such as studies, certification and project guidance in multiple fields, such as ESG, water, energy, waste, ecology, legislation et cetera, they guarantee an integrated and sustainable result. All this with one aim: having an impact on society.
Show notes:
Sureal
De Rudi & Freddie Show
Sonian Wood Coop
JuuNoo
BatiTerre
Yuval Noah Harari - Sapiens
Jack Weatherford - Genghis Khan and the making of the modern world
Stephen R.Covey - The 7 habits of highly effective people
Michael D. Watkins - The first 90 days
Michael A. Singer - The Untethered Soul: The Journey Beyond Yourself
Time stamps:
0:00 Intro
1:30 Changes since previous episode
4:20 Being more in touch with nature
6:15 Trying to make everyone replaceable
8:40 About the growth of SuReal
10:20 European environmental legislation
13:00 Tension between sustainability and growth in Europe
23:00 What can people to do lower the environmental impact of an existing building? How is this measured? What with hard-to-renovate buildings?
39:50 Circular leaders that aren’t very known yet
47:00 How SuReal tries to change the value chain in real estate
50:00 Opening an office in Italy
56:30 Outro
For episode 31 of the Bao Podcast, we invited Thomas Vandenbergh. Armed with a PhD in Engineering, Thomas is General manager of Besix Technology and CEO of BESIX STAY. These 2 enterprises are part of the BESIX Group.
BESIX is a renowned global player in the construction and real estate development industry, based in Brussels. It has already completed impressive projects such as the Burj Khalifa, the European Parliament and many others.
Show notes:
Besix
A-STAY
Get in contact with Thomas: thomas.vandenbergh@besix.com
Philippe Samyn
Philippe Samyn: Volume and displacement indicators for an architectural structure
PhD research Thomas Vandenbergh
Almanack of Naval Ravikant book (Eric Jorgensen)
Time stamps:
0:00 Intro
2:30 PhD in Structural Optimization
9:30 Start at Besix
14:00 Managing A-STAY during Covid
20:10 Besix Technology
23:50 Vision behind investments
29:00 Tips to implement more innovation in construction businesses
32:30 what sets BESIX apart from its competitors?
37:55 Where does your interest in construction come from?
42:30 Main challenges in the industry
50:20 Outro
For episode 30 of the Bao Podcast, we invited Dennis Vangeneugden. Kepler is a new player in the housing market that introduces a new housing standard in terms of technology and energy. With an Energy Level of -15, KEPLER homes are extremely energy efficient that save consumers up to €3,000 annually on energy. Kepler's homes are built in a workshop in timber frame, and delivered to the site 48 days after the start of the project. With this innovative idea, they managed to turn an immediate consolidated turnover of 21.5 million euros in their first year.
Show notes:
Kepler
Richard Branson
MrBeast
Richard Branson - Losing My Virginity (his first autobiography)
Charlie Mackesy - The boy, the Mole, the Fox and the Horse
Time stamps:
0:00 Intro
1:15 About Kepler
5:20 How Kepler is able to scale so quickly
13:45 Kepler in the next years
19:15 Dennis’ entrepreneurial journey
32:00 Biggest learnings throughout the journey
40:30 How do you buy a Kepler home?
46:15 Outro
For episode 29 of the Bao Podcast, we have another dual-guest episode for you, featuring Michael Lefeber and Ken Spranghers, co-founders of KOZO.
Kozo designs and builds spaces that adapt to the people who buy them. Whenever something changes in their life, their house can change with them. Kozo’s innovative construction method ensures that you can choose to adapt your home. A small starter home can grow into a fully-fledged family home and then even evolve into a care home. On top of this, their unique demountable connection system enables an easier way to recycle the different elements at the end of their life cycle.
Show notes:
Kozo
David Gilmour
Albert Einstein
Lode Janssens: living in a balloon
Matthew Walker - Why We Sleep
Get in contact with Kozo: info@kozo.co
Time stamps:
0:00 Intro
1:42 Where does Kozo originate from?
13:15 Switching from event to construction
26:40 The start & Kozo concept
41:00 Biggest learnings
43:00 Outro
Episode 28 of the Bao Podcast marks a special occasion as we host our first-ever dual-guest episode featuring Peter Bertels, CTO, and Wim Pieters, CEO of CIRCL.
CIRCL is reshaping the housing landscape with fixed-price, future-oriented single-family homes. Their unique approach integrates circularity and digitalization throughout the construction process. From digital design to a remarkable six-week construction period post-permit approval, CIRCL is at the forefront of efficiency and sustainability in the industry.
Show notes:
Circl
Henry van de Velde Award Circl
Alan Turing
The Imitation Game
Rework (book)
Valve: Handbook for new employees
Time stamps:
0:00 Intro
1:50 The start and activities of Circl
17:25 Biggest challenge
18:45 Where does the interest in construction come from?
26:40 Where does the circularity of Circl comes in play?
30:50 Pricing
35:40 Where do you see the construction market evolving?
41:00 Outro
For episode 27 of the Bao Podcast, we invite Regina Zirion. Regina is Head of Sales at Cutr. Regina was born and raised in Mexico, she studied and worked there until she moved to Amsterdam in 2018. She worked for Uber from 2016, first in Mexico-City and from 2018 onwards in Amsterdam until she left the company in 2021 to join Cutr.
Cutr is an Amsterdam-based company that was founded in 2021. At Cutr, experts from two worlds come together: software engineering and woodworking. As a team, they work on the latest technology to make custom woodworking faster, easier and cheaper. People can upload their designs on the Cutr website and will receive an offer in a maximum of 12 hours.
Show notes:
Cutr
Uber
Two-sided marketplace
Oprah Winfrey
Billionaire Eric Wittouck steps out of WeightWatchers
SOMM
Counterfeit wine scandal
Everyday Dharma by Suneel Gupta
Contact Regina
Time stamps:
0:00 Intro
1:45 The start and idea of Cutr
19:00 How did experience at Uber influence Cutr?
21:45 Two-sided marketplace: demand vs supply
24:45 Environmental benefits and ambitions of Cutr
29:40 Rapid growth of Cutr
33:00 HR at Cutr
37:15 Investors
44:15 How far does the service of Cutr go?
51:50 Outro
For episode 26, we invite Patrick Nijssen. Patrick is Head of Growth Benelux at NORNORM. NORNORM is a Danish company that was founded in 2020 by former IKEA manager Anders Jespen as well as investor and Skype co-creator Jonas Kjellberg. With 10 million tonnes of office furniture ending up in landfills every year in Europe alone, the founders aim to apply the circular economy model to office furniture by having companies subscribe to furniture instead of buying it. The company looks to create a fully recyclable solution for workplaces and reduce some of the burden on the planet caused by office furniture.
Show notes:
Get in contact with Patrick: patrick.nijssen@nornorm.com
NORNORM
IKEA-backed NORNORM bags €110M to bring the circular economy to workspaces
Andre Agassi – OPEN book
Untold: Breaking Point series
Reed Hastings & Erin Meyer – No Rules Rules book
Bao Podcast on YouTube
Time stamps:
0:00 Intro
1:50 the start and idea of NORNORM
14:10 Pricing
15:35 Scaling with €100M of funding
20:20 How do they get their furniture?
23:55 Interest from Ikea?
27:00 Changing the narrative & Belgian culture
32:30 Other markets?
33:55 Starting during COVID & impact
41:00 Dream future for NORNORM
43:15 Outro
For our anniversary episode, number 25, we do a part 2 with one of our guests for the first time ever. He was our very first guest and now he's back: Idriss Goossens! Idriss has not stood still since the last episode, 2 and a half years ago. Today he's not only co-founder of PropTech Lab Belgium, but he also founded LuxPropTech, Relevation and RecAp, this last one is a joint venture between PropTech Lab and developer Revive.
This may be a lot for you to take in, but the most important thing is to know that the main focus of these companies is to connect and accelerate companies (start-ups and investors) in the real estate sector. And we certainly dive deeper in it this episode!
Show notes:
Bao Podcast on YouTube
Bao Podcast on Spotify
Podcast on Apple
PropTechLab
LuxPropTech
Relevation
RecAp
Hownvestor
RecAp Summer Summit: Real Estate, Urban Resilience, ESGs
Margot Machol Bisnow - Raising an entrepreneur
Being Well’s Book Recommendations on Blinkist
Time stamps:
0:00 Intro
1:50 Changes in the last 2 years
9:20 Switch from buying to renting
14:30 Things that stayed after Covid
19:20 New businesses
31:50 Why not starting a construction company yourself with all this knowledge?
38:50 Outro
For episode 24 of the Bao Podcast, we welcome Minne Warmenbol. Minne is a master in Architecture and co-founded BUURMAN 3 years ago.
BUURMAN Antwerp is a circular construction market where reused building materials from the region are collected, processed and offered. In this way, they offer a logical and local alternative to burning or low-grade recycling of good materials. The materials come from all kinds of different parties - from museums to demolition companies - that are unable to repurpose them within their organisations. A collaboration with Buurman solves a waste problem and a sustainability issue for them at the same time. Apart from used material, they also repurpose uprooted urban trees. These tree trunks are processed into usable wooden planks, instead of being shredded in the regular, low-grade way.
Show notes:
Buurman Antwerpen
‘Gerooide bomen van Noordkasteel krijgen tweede leven als meubelstuk’
John Muir
Orin Hardy & Maria Farrugia: Bamboo U
John Muir: books
For episode 23 of the Bao Podcast, we welcome Simon Maillet. Simon is the Group Sustainability Officer of Cordeel Group. He’s originally from Germany and today lives in Belgium since almost 5 years. He did an apprenticeship as an industrial clerk and later studied economics part-time. He is now active at Cordeel for almost one year.
The Cordeel Group, a leading European construction company based in Belgium, offers comprehensive services for the entire construction process. It consists of several highly specialised companies that collectively provide expertise in all aspects of construction, from design and technical support to completion and maintenance. Essentially, Cordeel Group is more than just a construction company, as it provides a one-stop solution for all construction needs.
Show notes:
Cordeel
The business units of Cordeel
The Minimalists
Marie Kondo
Steve Harris
Cal Newport – 'Deep Work' book
Time stamps:
0:00 Intro
2:00 About Cordeel
6:25 Simon’s interest in construction
12:30 Small margins in construction
18:00 Being the sustainability officer of Cordeel
34:45 Trade-off between sustainability and profitability
40:05 Passion for sustainability
47:00 Lessons learned at Cordeel
49:45 Housing market
56:30 Outro
For episode 22 of the Bao Podcast, we welcome Ismaël Ben-Al-Lal. Ismaël is a visionary entrepreneur and innovator who made a name for himself in the world of renewable energy. After he finished his studies at Groep T at the University of Leuven, Ismaël went on to found his own company, Futech, in 2008. Later on he started another company named iLumen. Both companies work around sustainable energy.
In addition to this, he’s an investor and consultant. This way he can share his expertise and insights on sustainable energy and the importance of entrepreneurship in driving positive change.
Show notes:
World Solar Challenge
Lightyear
Formula Zero
STEM
Climate-KIC
Futech
iLumen
Podcast Rutger Bregman (De Rudi & Freddie Show)
U2P Group
Frederic Laloux – Reinventing Organizations
Time stamps:
0:00 Intro
1:30 World Solar Challenge and other school projects
21:15 First company (Futech)
35:00 Dropping energy prices in the future
45:00 Second company (iLumen)
48:25 U2P Group
53:00 Outro
Lieven is CEO of Lito. He and his team managed to develop the ‘Litobox’: the Litobox combines a heat pump, solar water heater, PV system, battery storage, rainwater filtering, ventilation, electrical equipment and internet network in one unit. All this on 3 square metres and placed on site in less than an hour! We at Bao Living look with admiration at this innovative product and I am happy to talk to Lieven about it.
Show notes:
Lito
Vlaio
Flaminio Bertoni
Citroën DS
Ulrich Libbrecht – In arren moede
Time stamps:
0:00 Intro
1:35 Why Lito was founded
11:00 What makes Lito more sustainable than the traditional way?
19:50 The start and scaling of Lito
32:00 Learnings of scaling
42:10 The future of Lito
51:40 Outro
Filip is the founder of Skilpod. This is a company that builds houses using a prefab system. All parts of the houses are made in the factory, and set on site in an incredibly quick way. With this, Skilpod wants to disrupt the traditional construction industry where the duration of a project takes a huge amount of time. And all this without compromising on quality!
Show notes:
Skilpod
Skilpod in the newspaper
Katerra
The Boring Company
Mark Manson – The subtle art of not giving a f*ck
Time stamps:
0:00 Intro
2:30 Start of Skilpod
14:30 Key learnings
19:30 Choices when you build with Skilpod
29:30 Future
37:45 Filip’s role in Skilpod
39:20 Business in China
43:00 Ultimate goal with Skilpod
45:35 What Filip would change about the construction industry
47:30 Living as a service model
49:25 Outro
Sarah is founder and CEO at Go Forest. Go Forest is a young company, established in 2020 that plants trees all over the world for companies and individuals who want to work towards a greener environment. Go Forest aims to restore nature by planting the right kind of trees in environments where they have positive effects on biodiversity, carbon storage, employment, livelihood, and local economy.
With more than 200 companies having become clients in only 2 years time, they have had tremendously rapid growth. Therefore, I thought it would be nice to invite Sarah to discuss the past 2 years and also look ahead to the future together.
Show notes:
Go Forest
CO2logic
South Pole
Wim Vermeulen books
Peter Wohlleben – The Hidden Life of Trees
Sarah’s LinkedIn
Time stamps:
0:00 Intro
1:45 Start of Go Forest
6:40 Personal motivation for planting trees
8:15 The idea behind Go Forest
13:55 The tree planting process
28:30 The Go Forest organization
31:25 Work-life balance
36:30 Future of Go Forest
39:55 Use of blockchain
46:15 Final remarks on Go Forest
47:15 Outroc
For our Christmas Special of the Bao Podcast, we welcomed someone very special: Axel van der Donk! Axel is CTO and co-founder at Bao Living. We thought it would be fun to dedicate an episode to what we do here at Bao Living and the learnings of the past 5 years. So I invited my partner in crime Axel to discuss it together.
Show notes:
Bao Living
Antwerp Management School
Studio Dott
Vanhout.pro
Climate Kic
Luma
Bao Living for Urbicoon
Urbicoon
Ray Dalio: The changing world order
Candice Millard: River of the gods
Time stamps:
0:00 Intro
2:00 The beginning of Bao Living
34:30 Lessons learned
49:45 Future of Bao Living
57:00 One thing that Axel would change about the construction industry
59:50 Outro
For episode 17 of the Bao Podcast, we had the honour to welcome Kristof De Jaeger. Kristof is the director of Inhout, a company specialising in timber frame construction. Here they focus on sustainable business using bio-ecological materials. Since 2020, they have also been making modular homes, under the name of Mobble. This is the result of a collaboration with the University of Ghent. These houses, 'Mobbles', are also made from sustainable materials (wood frame with bio-ecological insulation materials) and are flexible and adaptable according to the needs of the moment.
We at Bao Living have already had the honour to work together with Mobble when they just started. We love the idea behind it and Kristof is one of the guests that have been on our list of podcast guests for a long time.
For more information about Inhout and Mobble, please visit https://inhout.be/ and https://www.mobble.be/.
Show notes:
Inhout
Mobble
Bekaert
Steward Brand Model
Wouter Torfs
Jill Peeters – Wat houdt ons tegen?
Jill Peeters – 40 graden in de schaduw
Time stamps:
0:00 Intro
4:40 Circular and environmental approach of Mobble
11:30 Market evolution
20:50 Collaboration with UGent
23:30 Biggest hurdles
32:45 Kristofs interest in circular construction and Mobble
42:40 Future of Mobble
46:55 Outro
Özturk Taspinar works at KPMG as Digital Innovation Consultant and is very passionate about entrepreneurship, innovation and anything that’s digital such as AI, Blockchain, robotics et cetera. With the ever-growing PropTech industry that's closing the gap between construction and the digital world, he’s the perfect guest for our Bao Podcast to tell us more about this interesting industry.
For more information about Özturk, please visit https://www.linkedin.com/in/taspinar/.
Show notes:
KPMG
Linkedin Özturk
WTCB / BBRI
WEB3 - Metaverse
Deliverect
RecAp Accelerator Program
Apple VR Headset
McKinsey Great attrition, great attraction 2022 report
Signals Repository: trend radar: Technology
Signals Repository: trend radar: Startups
Air Taxi Readiness Index 2022
Suyin Aerts - Tijd voor de creatieve generalist!
Time stamps:
00:00 Intro
01:14 Özturk’s activities
05:10 Views on the construction industry
34:30 Digitalisation and VR
42:30 Changing the work environment
46:45 Drones
51:30 Outro
For the last episode of this season, our guest is Margaux Lespagnard. Margaux is a PhD researcher at VUB - Vrije Universiteit Brussel - in architectural engineering. In her research, she aims to develop circular design guidance for architects when designing circular affordable housing. She does this under supervision of engineer-architects Niels De Temmerman and Waldo Galle. Her research obviously leans very closely to what we want to achieve at Bao Living, so we thought it would be interesting to have a conversation with her about this.
For more information about Margaux, please visit https://www.vub.be/arch/people/margaux-lespagnard.
Show notes:
About Margaux
Architectural engineering @ VUB
Building a circular economy: Design qualities to guide and inspire building designers and clients (VUB)
Facadeclick
Clickbrick
McKinsey: The next normal in construction
Kate Raworth – Doughnut Economy
Roman Krznaric – The Good Ancestor
Time stamps:
00:00 Intro
02:40 Affordability
15:25 Circular construction
20:10 Goal of the research
31:20 Main breakthroughs so far
42:30 Translation of the outcome of the PhD to reality
47:40 Goals after the PhD
50:00 Outro
Johan is director of Madaster Belgium. This Dutch company developed a digital materials passport for buildings. This passport is a crucial link to make circular building possible. It’s a digital platform where users can list all the materials that are in a building. This information is enriched, among other things, with product data and commodity prices, and related to regulations and certification methods.
For more information, please visit https://madaster.com/.
Show notes:
Thomas Rau
Madaster
Madaster Belgium
BPD (Bouwfonds Gebiedsontwikkeling)
Asbestos in KBC tower
Johan Klaps (N-VA)
Thomas Rau - Material Matters book
Time stamps:
00:00 About Madaster and Thomas Rau
34:30 Life before Madaster
47:40 Start of Madaster Belgium
51:20 Politics
1:01:50 Hurdles for Madaster
1:03:20 Outro
In the 13th episode of the Bao Podcast, we welcome Xavier Leclair. Xavier is founder and CEO of Slow Cabins. This is a Belgian company that allows guests to rent cabins placed in secret locations across the countryside, and has plans to soon expand the concept throughout Belgium and Europe. These Slow Cabins are temporary eco houses that are completely self-sufficient when it comes to water and electricity provisions. In a Slow Cabin there is no internet as well, which means that you can slow down and break free from the stress of everyday life.
For more information, please visit https://www.slowcabins.be/en/.
Show notes:
BASF
Verbund at BASF
The Blog of Tim Ferriss
Lean startup
Steve Jobs 2005 Speech
Dalai Lama Art of Happiness
Slow Cabins
Time stamps:
0:00 Life before Slow Cabins
6:35 Start of Slow Cabins
30:00 How renting a Slow Cabin works
31:40 Covid impact
36:00 How renting a Slow Cabin works 2
38:00 Ambitions
42:20 Lessons learned
47:45 Market competition
49:20 Outro
In episode 12 of the Bao Podcast, we welcome Sven Grooten. Sven is one of the founders of B-architecten. Throughout the years, he started two spin-offs named B-bis and B-city. Today, B-architecten, B-bis, and B-city have grown into a combined office of more than 75 people. Each B-team has its particular focus and way of functioning, yet they all share a distinct innovative view on the variety of projects the B-platforms stand for.
For more information, please visit https://b-architecten.be/.
Show notes:
B-architecten
B-bis
B-city
The Berlage Institute
How Singapore solved housing
Time stamps:
0:00 Start of B-Architecten
10:10 Why everybody should have an architecture course at school
20:25 Mission and vision of B (-Architecten, -Bis, -City)
34:00 Architects that inspire Sven
38:00 Personal and professional goals
42:10 What Sven would change about the construction industry
46:00 Influence of the pandemic
52:30 Outro
For our podcast episode for the month of March, our guest is Jérôme Constant. Jérôme is managing partner at Rise PropTech Fund, a venture capital fund dedicated to Late-Seed and Series A startups active in the PropTech sector. They invest in companies that have the ambition and potential to change the construction & real estate industry in Europe. Recently, they made their first investment in the company LEKO Labs.
For more information, please visit https://riseproptech.eu/.
Show notes:
LEKO Labs (https://lekolabs.com/)
Rise PropTech Fund (https://riseproptech.eu/)
Bill Gates: How to Avoid a Climate Disaster (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Avoid_a_Climate_Disaster)
Peter Thiel: Zero to One (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_to_One)
MIPIM (https://www.mipim.com/)
0:00 Start of Rise PropTech
4:55 LEKO Labs
9:25 Investment strategy
13:20 Challenges
16:15 MIPIM
19:20 Innovation in construction
26:22 Other big challenges
28:25 Lack of women in construction
31:00 Outro
After a short winter break, we’re back with a bang! For our tenth podcast episode, our guest is Jan Kriekels. Jan is the owner of Jaga Climate Designers, a radiator manufacturer using innovative heating and cooling technologies. Jaga employs over 600 people and operates in over 35 countries across the globe. Under his leadership, the company has won a great many international design and export awards. Among many other big projects, they are the company behind the innovative heating technology installed in the residence of Russian President Putin and at the Telefónica headquarters in Madrid.
For more information, please visit https://www.jaga.com/benl/.
Show notes:
Jan Kriekels op Burning Man (https://www.standaard.be/cnt/g7m169rs3)
Fanger’s model of thermal comfort (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320482118_Fanger's_model_of_thermal_comfort_a_model_suitable_just_for_men)
Sir David Attenborough's Address to World Leaders at COP26 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjq4VWdZhq8)
Jaga Klimaatconferentie Kopenhagen (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAodm5_izDc&ab_channel=JagaKonvektco)
Jaga Coollab – Opening (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSGXORlDymE&ab_channel=JagaClimateDesigners)
Jaga (https://www.jaga.com/benl/over-ons/jaga-climate-designers.html)
Hans is the founder and owner of Sustacon. With Sustacon, he advises Flemish family businesses on (among other things) strategy, organizational development, and sustainability. They are specialized in helping companies to work more sustainably in the construction sector, but they also advise companies in other industries. Besides his work at Sustacon, Hans is a part-time professor in Corporate Social Responsibility and Business Ethics at the University of Antwerp.
For more information, please visit https://www.sustacon.me/.
Show notes:
Sustacon (https://www.sustacon.me/)
Rik is the founder of editorial office Palindroom, specialized in writing articles on construction and architecture. With Palindroom he creates websites where they publish the latest news about the construction industry. One of these websites, architectura.be, is the most visited architecture website in Belgium! Rik also has his own podcast, the ‘Architectura.be Podcast’ where he invites Belgian architects to share their vision. He’s also very passionate about circular construction and started for this reason circubuild.be. For more information, please visit https://palindroom.be/nl, https://architectura.be/nl or https://circubuild.be/nl.
Show notes:
Livios (https://www.livios.be/nl/)
European Green Deal (https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/european-green-deal_nl)
Rotor Deconstruction (https://rotordc.com/)
JuuNoo (https://www.juunoo.com/)
Groep Van Roey (https://www.groepvanroey.be/nl)
Mosard (https://www.mosard.be/)
KNOOPWERK (https://www.knoopwerk.be/)
Palindroom (https://www.palindroom.be/nl)
Circubuild (https://circubuild.be/nl)
Architectura (https://architectura.be/nl/)
Jona is Innovation Manager at the well know construction company Groep Van Roey. With 11 companies in this group, They are a specialist in total solutions for the construction industry, they develop projects from start to finish. On top of this they are probably also one of the oldest companies in Belgium: Groep Van Roey was founded in 1760, which makes them 281 years old! For more information, please visit https://www.groepvanroey.be/nl.
Show notes:
List of oldest companies in the world (https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_oudste_ondernemingen_ter_wereld)
The centennial secret: how do companies last 100 years? (https://buildingindiana.com/the-centennial-secret-how-do-companies-last-100-years/)
Mckinsey: Reinventing construction: A route to higher productivity (https://www.mckinsey.com/~/media/mckinsey/business%20functions/operations/our%20insights/reinventing%20construction%20through%20a%20productivity%20revolution/mgi-reinventing-construction-executive-summary.pdf)
Katerra bankrupt (https://techcrunch.com/2021/06/01/softbank-backed-construction-giant-katerra-said-to-be-shutting-down-after-raising-billions/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmFvbGl2aW5nLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABFZQzVRb4GYosrrj5e8-whmxqXCpHAlILK2uTKfzgwqeibq9Rp-4NdznERbd7xYAdH-Jm3QWE0tDuMCePq-w5kMt5MD0k3Fn07cIGLIZ4y6Vy9yWTICVs9kj2EcsWxPGSgCNyDOZCw-l5l7y7MrkQrZ3K1KI9PPNoHqQ3akvS1x)
Average age of a unicorn founder (https://hitechglitz.com/what-is-the-average-age-of-a-typical-unicorn-founder/)
Groep Van Roey (https://www.groepvanroey.be/nl)
Chris is the founder of JuuNoo. This company has developed a circular interior wall, it’s a wall that is not demolished at the end of its life but gets dismantled and repositioned as a new wall. Chris started JuuNoo 5 years ago, with one specific goal in mind: to stop building waste created by interior walls. Currently, they are actively conquering the Belgian market, but their ambitions also extend abroad. For more information, please visit https://www.juunoo.com/.
Show notes:
Ash Maurya: Love the problem, not your solution (https://blog.leanstack.com/love-the-problem-not-your-solution/)
Everyday Astronaut (https://www.youtube.com/c/EverydayAstronaut/videos)
Founder’s dilemma summary (https://thierry-muhoza.medium.com/summary-of-the-founders-dilemmas-by-noam-wasserman-control-vs-wealth-276a0805a2b5)
JuuNoo (https://www.juunoo.com/)
Serge is a “climate ambassador” of Al Gore, initiator of the climate case against Belgium (which he and his colleagues have won), and founder & CEO at Futureproofed. The mission of Futureproofed is to help businesses and cities become ‘futureproof’ by helping them reduce their CO2 emissions while saving costs, driving innovation, and becoming more attractive.
Two branches of Futureproofed are working towards this goal: FutureproofedCities is a software platform that connects over 145 municipalities and helps them implement their climate plan. CarbonCap is a similar service but aimed at businesses, launching in September 2021. Carboncap enables businesses to measure, manage and reduce their carbon emissions faster and easier across their organization.
For more info on Serge's activities, please visit https://www.klimaatzaak.eu/ and https://www.futureproofed.com/.
Show notes:
Whole Foods Supermarkets (https://www.wholefoodsmarket.co.uk/)
Klimaatzaak Nederland Urgenda (https://www.rechtspraak.nl/Bekende-rechtszaken/klimaatzaak-urgenda)
A Climate of Concern Shell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VOWi8oVXmo&ab_channel=WillTisdale)
James Hansen TedTalk (https://www.ted.com/talks/james_hansen_why_i_must_speak_out_about_climate_change)
Ray Kurzweil TedTalk (https://www.ted.com/talks/ray_kurzweil_the_accelerating_power_of_technology?language=nl)
Tony Seba: 1900 vs 1913 (https://buildingcontext.me/2017/11/12/your-buildings-21st-century-edge/)
Futureproofed (https://www.futureproofed.com/)
Klimaatzaak vzw (https://www.klimaatzaak.eu/)
Sunita is the founder and managing director of SuReal. SuReal is a consultancy firm that supports companies and government agencies in making buildings and city projects more sustainable. To reach this goal, they do all types of studies. One of the projects they already worked on is the Victoria reconversion project in Brussels, which’s been developed by DWNTWN Real Estate & Baltisse. For more information, please visit https://sureal.be/.
Show notes:
SuReal (https://sureal.be/)
European Green Deal (https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/european-green-deal_en)
Klimaatzaak (https://www.klimaatzaak.eu/nl)
Arne is the co-founder of AMAVI Capital. AMAVI is an independent pan-European investor, established to support the growth of the leading and most promising companies active in the European Proptech industry. AMAVI bridges the gap between the traditional real estate industry on the one hand and the most groundbreaking Proptech scale-ups on the other. For more information, please visit https://amavi.capital/.
Show notes:
Katerra bankrupt (https://techcrunch.com/2021/06/01/softbank-backed-construction-giant-katerra-said-to-be-shutting-down-after-raising-billions/)
Finch buildings (https://finchbuildings.com/en/)
Procore (https://www.procore.com/)
Shayp (https://www.shayp.com/)
Shayp – Manneken Pis (https://kanaalz.knack.be/nieuws/start-up-shayp-spoort-waterlekken-op/video-normal-1500791.html)
Gbuilder (https://gbuilder.com/)
Kamp C builds 3D-house in Westerlo (https://www.dezeen.com/2020/12/22/kamp-c-completes-two-storey-house-3d-printed-one-piece-onsite/)
Michael Marks (former Katerra CEO) (https://therealdeal.com/2020/05/19/katerra-ceo-steps-down-from-construction-startup/)
Bart is the co-founder of Stramien Architects. This is a multidisciplinary design agency focused on architecture, urban development, spatial planning, and the design of public spaces. They have existed for more than than 20 years at this point and have designed some great projects like the Thomas More campus in Mechelen, Ringland, and more recently the railroad park in Borgerhout.
Show notes:
Jean Prouvé (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Prouv%C3%A9)
Ringland (https://ringland.be/)
Oosterweel verbinding (https://www.oosterweelverbinding.be/)
Commotie rond het Steen in Antwerpen (https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2021/04/29/commotie-het-steen-antwerpen/)
Alvaro Leite Siza (http://www.alvaroleitesiza.com/)
Fernando Távora (https://www.architectural-review.com/essays/reputations/fernando-tavora-1923-2005)
Eduardo Souta de Moura (https://www.archdaily.com/406801/happy-birthday-eduardo-souto-de-moura)
Aires Mateus (https://www.archdaily.com/office/aires-mateus)
Idriss is the founder of PropTech Lab, a Belgian community for real estate innovators. Since Proptechlab's founding in 2017, already 160 enterprises linked to construction joined PropTech Lab. Of these 160 members, 96 are start-ups and 64 well-established construction companies.
Show notes:
WeWork: Or the making and breaking of a 47 billion unicorn on hulu (https://www.hulu.com/movie/wework-or-the-making-and-breaking-of-a-47-billion-unicorn-c6deead3-f45f-43c6-b8bf-fc56e9f8a589)
McKinsey Global Institute: Reinventing construction through a productivity revolution (https://www.mckinsey.com/business-functions/operations/our-insights/reinventing-construction-through-a-productivity-revolution)
Modulus Tech: sustainable housing (https://www.modulus-tech.com/)
BoKlok: Sustainable, quality homes at a low price, for all (https://www.boklok.com/)
Katerra: Transforming construction through innovation of process and technology (https://katerra.com/)
European Green Deal: what is it and will it really cost €1tn? (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/09/what-is-the-european-green-deal-and-will-it-really-cost-1tn)
BPI Real Estate: Erasmus Gardens (https://www.bpi-realestate.com/be/new-residential/brussels/erasmus-gardens)
Dosha Concept Store (https://www.dosha-community.be/)
Your host Benjamin speaks in this short introduction about the Bao Podcast and the enterprise behind it: Bao Living.