My name is Dom Burch, I am a business coach and mentor. On this podcast I speak to high achieving and inspirational leaders about what makes them tick, how they motivate others, and what it means to be an authentic leader.
What happens when the job title you've worn for years suddenly disappears?
In this episode of Coach Class, I sit down with former Asda and Co-op leader Dahlia Stroud for an honest conversation about leadership, identity and what comes next when your career takes an unexpected turn.
From choosing a Nestlé graduate scheme over a glamorous London marketing role, to leading major commercial teams in retail, Dahlia reflects on the people and experiences that shaped her career—and why every new role means proving yourself all over again.
Together we explore:
Whether you're leading a team, navigating change, or wondering what comes after redundancy, this episode is packed with practical insights and thoughtful reflections on resilience, culture and career reinvention.
Key takeaway:
"Don't get trapped in the immediate need to do. Lift your head up, look up and out, and ask yourself not just what's my next job, but what's the next chapter I want to write?"
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What does it really take to turn around a struggling business?
In this episode of Coach Class, I sat down in person with former Dreams CEO Mike Logue for an honest conversation about leadership, resilience and the moments that shape a career.
Mike reflects on his journey from a 17-year-old at Marks & Spencer to leading some of the UK's biggest retailers, sharing the lessons he learned through success, failure and some of the toughest decisions of his career.
Rather than focusing on balance sheets and boardrooms, this conversation explores the human side of leadership, earning trust, building culture and why telling people the truth is one of the most important responsibilities of any leader.
Key takeaways
This episode is a masterclass in authentic leadership. Mike explains why respect always comes before performance, why difficult conversations should never be avoided, and why the best leaders create environments where people feel trusted, valued and heard.
It's also a reminder that careers are rarely linear. Setbacks can become turning points, and sometimes the biggest lesson isn't how to build a successful busines, it's learning to breathe.
Whether you lead a global organisation, manage a small team or simply want to become a better leader, this conversation offers practical wisdom grounded in decades of real-world experience.
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In this episode we discuss:
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This week on Coach Class, I caught up with former Asda colleague and now renowned Joy Coach, Ali Mortimer.
When Ali and I worked together at Asda and Walmart, she was a high-performing technology leader on the kind of career trajectory many people aspire to: Accenture-trained, leading large teams, shaping the future of ecommerce, and helping build the digital infrastructure that would later enable millions of people to shop, work and connect during the Covid years.
Today, her world looks very different.
In a deeply personal and honest conversation, Ali shares the story behind her transformation from corporate executive to coach, speaker and advocate for what she calls "joy as a strategy for life."
We explore the pressures of corporate success, the relentless pursuit of achievement, and the moment she found herself questioning whether the life she'd worked so hard to build was actually making her happy. Ali speaks candidly about burnout, identity, grief, loss, health challenges, depression, PTSD and the difficult questions that ultimately led her to rebuild her life from the ground up.
A recurring theme throughout the episode is the importance of paying attention to patterns, listening to what your mind and body are trying to tell you, and finding the courage to explore alternative paths when life no longer feels aligned with who you are.
We also spend time reflecting on the influence of our former colleague Emma Mead, whose recent passing was deeply felt by many of us who had the privilege of working alongside her. Ali shares moving memories of Emma's fierce intelligence, generosity, coaching style and unwavering belief in her people, and the profound impact she had on her own leadership journey.
The conversation then turns to the idea of joy itself. Far from being a fluffy concept, Ali explains how a simple daily "joy list" helped her navigate one of the darkest periods of her life and ultimately inspired a new career helping others find light in difficult times. We discuss happiness, purpose, ambition, manifestation, emotional wellbeing and why success doesn't have to come at the expense of fulfilment.
Ali also shares her evolving definition of success. Once measured by titles, promotions and visible achievements, success today is about loving her life, loving the people she shares it with, honouring herself and helping others do the same. With her content now reaching more than 14 million people, her mission is simple: to help people find joy, whether they're navigating darkness or simply looking to live more intentionally.
It's a conversation about reinvention, resilience, friendship, grief, purpose and what happens when we stop asking what success should look like and start asking what truly brings us joy.
Topics covered:
If you've ever found yourself asking, "Is this really what it's all cracked up to be?", this episode is for you.
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What happens when you spend years climbing the career ladder, only to stop and realise you're no longer sure where it's leading?
In this episode of Coach Class, I sat down with Maria Laffón, executive coach, former Commercial Director at Massimo Dutti, and fellow Barefoot Coaching graduate. Together we explored the unique pressures of retail leadership, the hidden signs of burnout, and the courage it takes to step away from a successful career to build something new.
Maria shares her journey from Spain to the UK, her rise through the fast-paced world of fashion retail, and the moment she realised that success and fulfilment aren't always the same thing.
For years she thrived on the pace, pressure and unpredictability of retail. Long hours, constant travel and relentless targets became normal. Like many high performers, she didn't recognise the toll it was taking until she stepped away and discovered something she'd almost forgotten existed: time.
The conversation explores why retail can be such an incredible training ground for future leaders, but also why it can leave people operating on autopilot, chasing the next promotion without ever stopping to ask what they really want.
Maria reflects on the experience of joining Barefoot Coaching and having to unlearn years of problem-solving behaviour. As a commercial leader she was used to having answers. Coaching taught her the value of curiosity, listening, uncertainty and creating space for others to think.
Together we discuss:
Maria also explains why she now specialises in supporting retail and commercial leaders. Having experienced the pressures of the industry herself, she understands the challenges many professionals face when stepping into larger roles, navigating change, or questioning what comes next.
A recurring theme throughout the episode is that burnout rarely arrives overnight. It often begins much earlier through a loss of energy, a loss of appetite for life, and the feeling of operating on autopilot while continuing to perform at a high level.
For anyone working in retail, leading teams, navigating a career crossroads, or wondering whether they're still climbing the right ladder, this conversation offers reassurance, perspective and practical wisdom.
Stand Out Quote
"You're never satisfied because you're always looking for the next step. One day I stopped and asked myself what my next career move would be, and realised it was actually what I didn't want." – Maria Laffón
About Maria
Maria Laffón is an Executive Coach specialising in leadership development, career transitions and personal growth for retail and commercial professionals. Drawing on her experience as a senior retail leader, she helps ambitious professionals create clarity, confidence and sustainable success while navigating change and growth.
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If you've ever felt stuck on autopilot, questioned what's next in your career, or wondered whether success should feel different than it does, this episode is for you.
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What happens when you go from being a big fish in a small pond to a tiny minnow in one of the UK's biggest retailers? And what do you do when opportunity arrives disguised as discomfort?
This week on Coach Class, I caught up with former Asda colleague Phil Wilkinson (or "Wilko" to those who shared the Asda House years). Phil's career journey has taken him from the trading floor at Asda to leading digital commerce and omnichannel experience across Europe for some of the world's biggest brands, but this conversation is less about job titles and more about the people and moments that shape us.
Phil reflects on the leaders who left their mark, from Phil Briggs encouraging individuality and innovation, to Jane Franklin's unwavering support and Graham "Big G" Chadwick's ability to bring people together and create trust.
The conversation explores:
One of the strongest messages from Phil is that we often wait until we feel fully qualified before stepping forward, when in reality growth usually starts before confidence arrives.
As Phil puts it: "You don't need to be perfect. You need to be authentic. You need to be yourself."
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In this episode of Coach Class, I sit down with Russell Craig, someone I’ve known for a long time and genuinely count as a friend.
Russ has built his career right at the sharp end of reputation, from Manchester Airports Group to Asda and now AO.com.
We talk about the journey behind that, from being a curious teenager inspired by House of Cards, hustling for experience in local newsrooms and radio stations, to being thrown into high-pressure roles early in his career, including fronting national media interviews at just 21.
In this conversation, we explore:
It’s an honest, reflective conversation about leadership, judgement, and the moments, big and small, that define a career.
Above all, it’s a reminder that success isn’t about ego or performance, it’s about being genuine, humble, and human.
🔑 Key Takeaways
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In this episode of Coach Class, I had the pleasure of sitting down with Sally Worts, a garden designer, yoga teacher in training, and quietly influential content creator, whose journey is a powerful story of reinvention, resilience, and saying yes to life.
Sally and I first met on a yoga retreat in Goa, where a group of strangers quickly became a close-knit tribe. But behind Sally’s calm, grounded presence lies a much deeper story.
Sally shares how she began her Instagram journey during breast cancer treatment, using creativity and community as a lifeline through one of the most challenging periods of her life. What started as a weekly post became a source of confidence, identity, and ultimately transformation.
The conversation explores Sally’s evolving relationship with wellbeing, from giving up alcohol and discovering yoga, to embracing cold water swimming, garden design, and life coaching. Along the way, she reflects on rediscovering her sense of self after years of putting others first, and how she’s learned to prioritise what truly matters.
Now, at 57, Sally is stepping into a new chapter, training as a yoga teacher, studying life coaching, and planning a solo return to India to deepen her practice.
This is a conversation about:
A thoughtful, honest and uplifting episode that will resonate with anyone navigating change, searching for direction, or wondering if it’s too late to start again.
🔑 Key Takeaway
It’s never too late to rediscover who you are — and sometimes the smallest “yes” can change everything.
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In this episode, I reconnect with a colleague from the start of my career Justin Skinner to explore a career shaped by curiosity, adaptability, and a passion for improving customer experience.
From early days in PR to helping launch Direct Line Group’s first digital presence, Justin has consistently stepped into roles where there was a problem to solve. His journey spans industries—from insurance to entertainment—culminating in a transformative 11-year stint at Cineworld Group, where he helped redefine the cinema experience for the digital age.
Most recently at Merlin Entertainments, Justin focused on rebuilding teams post-Covid—placing trust, connection, and coaching at the heart of leadership.
💡 Key Themes & Insights
1. Curiosity as a Career Compass
Justin’s career wasn’t linear—it was driven by intrigue and opportunity. Moving industries wasn’t a risk; it was a chance to apply principles in new contexts.
2. Digitising the Analogue World
At Cineworld, Justin helped transform a stressful, outdated cinema experience into a seamless digital journey:
This work helped set the standard that competitors would later follow.
3. Leadership = Empowerment + Trust
Two standout influences:
Justin now applies the same philosophy in his own leadership.
4. Building Credible Teams
A simple but powerful idea:
Credibility = Competence + Connection
At Merlin, rebuilding a post-Covid team meant:
5. Coaching as a Performance Lever
Justin invested in team coaching (including a two-day offsite at Chessington), recognising that:
6. Click & Connect Marketing
Justin’s next chapter focuses on a simple but timely idea:
How do you build human relationships in a digital world?
As AI and data reshape business, Justin believes:
🧠 Standout Quote
“Happy teams equals happy customers equals sustainable profits.”
🚀 What You’ll Learn
🎯 Takeaway
Technology evolves. Industries shift.
But the ability to stay curious, adapt, and build meaningful human connections—that’s what endures.
🔗 About the Guest
Justin Skinner is a senior digital and commercial leader with experience across financial services, entertainment, and transport. He is now exploring new opportunities through his consultancy, Click & Connect Marketing, alongside a Non-Executive Director role at Heathrow Express.
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In this episode of Coach Class, I sit down with Ted Bradshaw — cognitive behavioural therapist, coach, and educator — to explore the space where psychology meets coaching.
Ted shares his journey from being a nervous, anxious teenager to working in NHS mental health services, and how his early curiosity about people — combined with a love of problem-solving — led him into CBT. Along the way, he reflects on a simple but powerful question that still drives his work today:
why aren’t we taught the tools to understand our minds earlier in life?
The conversation explores:
Ted and I also discuss how our understanding of mental health has evolved:
A key theme throughout is Ted’s idea of helping people move from being the subject of their thoughts to observing them — a shift that can create space, perspective, and choice.
The episode also touches on:
Ultimately, this is a conversation about making sense of how we think and feel, and equipping ourselves — and the next generation — with the tools to navigate life with greater awareness and resilience.
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In this episode I sat down with Karl Martin, a highly respected commercial leader whose career spans some of the UK’s biggest retailers, including Asda and Sainsbury's.
Karl reflects on the moments that shaped his leadership — from his early days finding his way into retail to leading high-pressure commercial roles, and the lessons he carries from a career built on instinct, experience, and backing himself.
The conversation explores leadership through influence, the importance of direct feedback, career-defining moments, and why success is ultimately about building a life on your own terms.
Early influences and finding retail
Karl didn’t set out with a grand plan to work in retail.
While studying at Manchester Metropolitan University, he took a placement at Sainsbury's and discovered he loved working in stores — particularly in fresh produce.
A decisive moment came at a company event, where he made a beeline for the most senior director in the room, sat next to him, and started a conversation. That led to an opportunity in buying — and set him on his path.
Careers often begin not with a plan, but with a decision to put yourself forward.
Creating your own opportunities
Karl’s early career is full of moments where he stepped forward rather than waited. From pushing himself into conversations to taking on roles he didn’t fully understand, he learned that confidence follows action.
His advice today is clear:
Leadership happens in the gaps
One of Karl’s most powerful insights is simple:
Organisations have structure, but the real work happens in between it.
As leaders become more senior, success depends less on hierarchy and more on influence — working across teams and getting things done without direct authority.
The power of direct feedback
Karl is known for being direct. He reflects on the importance of honest, timely feedback — even when it’s uncomfortable. In Rebecca’s case, what felt like a tough conversation became a defining moment in her leadership journey.
The best leaders don’t avoid difficult conversations — they use them to help others grow.
Backing yourself
A recurring theme in Karl’s story is trusting your own judgement. From stepping into buying roles to navigating complex challenges, he learned to back himself — even when the path wasn’t clear.
You can’t connect the dots looking forward. You have to take opportunities as they come and make sense of them later.
Learning from others
Karl has been shaped by mentors, colleagues, and a core set of books, including:
At one point, he created his own “Desert Island Discs” — a record of the people and lessons that shaped his career.
Work, life and perspective
Perhaps most distinctive is Karl’s relationship with work. He has always worked to live. Sport, music, and family come first — with work sitting alongside them, not above them.
Even after senior roles, his career has been shaped by choice: stepping back, exploring new ventures, and deciding what comes next on his own terms.
Advice to the next generation
Karl’s advice is straightforward:
Because careers are built through action, relationships, and the willingness to step into the unknown.
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In this episode I sat down with Rebecca Passmore, Group Chief Operating Officer at PureGym, one of the UK’s largest and fastest-growing fitness businesses.
Rebecca reflects on the formative moments that shaped her leadership philosophy — from growing up around a family business, to her early career at Aldi and Asda, and the lessons she carries into leading a fast-moving international organisation today.
The conversation explores work ethic, leadership style, mentorship, and why kindness and fairness remain central to how Rebecca leads.
Early influences and work ethic
Rebecca credits her early outlook on work to watching her father and grandfather run their own business.
Saturday mornings often meant her father heading to the office to deal with whatever needed doing — sometimes Rebecca got to tag along with colouring books while the adults worked.
Seeing first-hand the commitment required to run a business shaped her attitude to leadership and effort.
Today she describes herself as “all in” when it comes to work — not separating career and life into neat compartments but seeing them as part of the same journey.
Lessons from Aldi and Asda
Rebecca began her career on the graduate programme at Aldi before joining Asda, where several defining moments helped shape her leadership style.
One pivotal experience came during a difficult conversation with a senior leader who challenged her “command and control” approach when she moved from field operations into a central leadership role.
The feedback was direct and uncomfortable — but it forced Rebecca to recognise that leadership in a collaborative environment requires influence and relationships, not authority.
She still credits that moment as one of the most valuable pieces of feedback she ever received.
Backing your own judgement
Another turning point came when Rebecca organised visits to Aldi stores while helping develop Asda’s smaller supermarket format.
At the time, discount competitors were not always openly discussed inside the organisation.
Although the initiative drew criticism internally, it was the first moment Rebecca clearly remembers backing her own judgement — trusting that she was doing the right thing even when others disagreed.
It was an early lesson in leadership courage.
Kindness as a leadership principle
A third experience had the opposite effect.
After being dismissed by a senior leader during an introduction in the corridor, Rebecca remembers feeling the moment as unnecessarily unkind.
It became a personal promise: she would never treat people that way as a leader.
For Rebecca, kindness is not weakness — it means being fair, thoughtful, and adapting your leadership style to bring out the best in others.
The responsibility of leadership
Rebecca believes leaders must recognise the influence they have on those around them.
In organisations where teams are young and ambitious, particularly between the ages of 25 and 35, people are actively learning how to lead by watching others.
That means leaders must be conscious of how they show up — because behaviours and attitudes are often copied.
Advice to her younger self
Looking back, Rebecca’s advice to her younger self is simple:
Enjoy life more.
While academic grades are important, they only take you so far. Experiences, relationships, and becoming an interesting person are just as valuable when building a career.
Her message to young people today is to aim for strong results — but not at the expense of living fully and developing as a person.
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Why Is This Happening For Me?
In this episode of Coach Class, I’m joined by former Asda colleague Alastair Islip, now European Managing Director at Nulo Pet Food.
Alastair’s career journey is anything but linear. He began on the Woolworths graduate scheme, moved into buying almost by accident, and after a formative year in America and a spell working as a distributor into Asda, found himself joining the business that would shape him for the next 13 years. From there, he went on to senior leadership at Pets at Home, stepped out on his own into consulting, and now leads Nulo’s expansion across Europe.
What makes this conversation compelling isn’t just the career moves — it’s the values underpinning them.
Alastair speaks warmly about his time at Asda and the culture at its best: respect for the individual, all colleagues one team, striving for excellence. He reflects on the influence of leaders like Duncan Cross, whose energy and will to win left a lasting mark. The idea of visible leadership — managing by walking around, setting standards through presence — clearly shaped how Alastair thinks about leading today.
Importantly, he didn’t leave Asda because he fell out of love with retail. He left because he felt some of those values had faded, and he knew he wanted to work somewhere that still embodied them. That search for purpose and alignment led him to Pets at Home — and into a high-growth environment delivering double-digit growth year after year.
It was also where imposter syndrome showed up loudly.
Alastair talks openly about that feeling — wondering if he’d be found out — and about the reassurance he received early on: “Take three months.” Over time, he realised imposter syndrome isn’t something to eliminate, but something to manage. It can be healthy, as long as you recognise that you do know some stuff.
After Pets at Home, he made the deliberate decision to go solo. Consulting brought early success — stronger and faster than expected — but it didn’t remove uncertainty. He still woke up worrying: what if it all disappears? That period led to one of the most powerful reframes in the episode:
“Why is this happening for me, not why is this happening to me?”
That shift in perspective changed how he viewed pressure, risk and opportunity. It’s also what ultimately led him full circle — one of his first consulting clients became his next role. Today, as European MD at Nulo, he’s building the brand across the UK, Italy and Spain, with further expansion underway. He’s scaling a team across countries, navigating hybrid working across time zones, and shaping culture from the ground up — without pretending to have all the answers.
Throughout the episode, one theme keeps resurfacing: relationships.
Having sat on both sides of the desk, Alastair is clear about what makes a strong supplier–retailer partnership. Treat people how you want to be treated. Be honest about what’s possible. Do what you say you will. Don’t screw anybody over. Whether buying toilet rolls or selling pet food, the fundamentals don’t change.
This conversation is a reminder that careers are built on people and principles, that culture matters deeply, and that perspective can transform pressure into progress.
When I asked Alastair what advice he’d give himself on day one at Asda, his answer was simple:
“Smile and enjoy it.”
Because even through the pressure, the uncertainty and the imposter syndrome, the ride itself is a privilege.
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Today’s conversation feels less like an interview and more like an arrival.
Recorded on site in Nina Hunter’s riverside studio overlooking the weir at Hirst Wood — with the River Aire flowing just beyond the garden — this episode is an intimate exploration of creativity, feminine energy, and what it means to live in full alignment with your purpose.
Nina is a painter, illustrator, and founder of Saltaire Art Gallery. Her work explores “soft power”: an unassuming energy of tenderness that is unbreakable. In this conversation, she shares the long, quiet arc of her becoming — from a bohemian seaside town in Poland, through years of classical piano training and an MA at the Academy of Fine Arts in Gdańsk, to a successful international illustration career… and finally, back to her first love: painting.
Nina speaks candidly about the years spent putting herself last — building a career, raising her son, and prioritising everyone else — before reaching the moment where she decided she would no longer compromise. Painting became more than a practice. It became ritual. Healing. A way of standing before a blank canvas and contemplating life itself.
Along the way, Nina reflects on the power of words and intention, and how her belief in manifestation — shaped by Dr. Joe Dispenza’s work — has influenced not only her mindset, but the reality she has built. She shares how Saltaire has shaped her pace of life and her creative world: a place filled with artists, philosophical conversations, daily walks, and time in nature. A place where happiness isn’t a reward, but a discipline.
A turning point comes when Nina describes how, in 2019, she knew what she wanted to convey — but didn’t yet have the vocabulary to express it. Years of experimentation, persistence, and failure followed. Then last year, something shifted. The work began to land with a new truthfulness — and collectors felt it. In 2025, Nina sold fifteen paintings, receiving messages from art lovers who told her they could feel the energy in the work.
Nina also shares a refreshingly open view of AI, describing it not as a threat to creativity but as a tool — a collaborator — and even a new kind of art director or photographer, enabling artists to create at a new level.
The conversation leads to a threshold moment: Nina is reopening Saltaire Art Gallery — this time as herself — with the launch of Nina Hunter Gallery & Collectors Lounge, and her solo show, “Thy Will Be Done”, on International Women’s Day.
As Nina says: the painting process is a roller coaster — sometimes torture — but when it ends with a “hell yes”, it’s ecstasy.
“Thy Will Be Done”
📅 8 March (International Women’s Day)
📍 Saltaire, West Yorkshire
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In this episode of Coach Class, I was joined by Ieva Eksts (PCC) — a career and leadership coach based in Kotka, Finland, who supports international leaders, teams and individuals navigating change across cultures, countries and identities.
Ieva shares her journey into coaching, from supporting international students at Durham University Business School, to moving to Finland, building a coaching practice, and developing her skills through Barefoot Coaching. Along the way, she reflects on the role of supervision, what motivates her most, and why coaching face-to-face gives her energy.
This is a thoughtful conversation about clarity, confidence, leadership, and the subtle cultural differences that shape how people work, communicate and collaborate.
Through ievolution coaching, she supports professionals, leaders and expat partners to gain clarity, build confidence, and stay motivated through career growth, leadership development and international transitions.
Her work includes:
What you’ll hear in this episode
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In this episode of Coach Class, I’m joined by Michele Martin, Senior Director of Global Brand and Integrated Marketing at Ticketmaster, to explore how careers are really shaped — not by straight lines or perfect plans, but by curiosity, community, mentorship, and a willingness to say yes before you feel ready.
Michele grew up in Maine and stayed. She reflects on how growing up in a place that feels like “one big small town” instilled a deep sense of community — something that has quietly influenced every stage of her career. Combined with being a first-generation college student, this grounding created both responsibility and drive.
Her career began in journalism as a student newspaper reporter, before she realised it wasn’t writing that lit her up, but the commercial and advertising side of storytelling. An early agency internship proved formative, particularly because she was treated as a professional from day one — an experience that stayed with her.
A defining chapter unfolds at TD Bank, where she spent a decade across marketing, partnerships, sales strategy, and customer experience. It was here that mentor Matt Chevalier introduced the idea that careers are lattices, not ladders — and that sideways moves are development, not distraction.
That mindset led Michele into call centre and customer experience roles she hadn’t planned, but which became some of the most formative of her career, eventually opening the door to L.L.Bean. She joined through customer satisfaction before returning to marketing and brand leadership, working on purpose-led campaigns rooted in respect for customers, employees, and place.
From there, Michele made a deliberate leap into the startup world at Mercari, where speed, ambiguity, and ownership stretched her confidence and capability. Today, at Ticketmaster, she finds herself full circle — working again in sports, music, and entertainment, now at global scale, leading teams with curiosity, trust, and belief in people.
One of the most resonant ideas she shares is a traveller’s mindset: building just enough structure to move forward, while leaving room for happenstance. Mentorship and community — especially peer-based — run throughout the conversation.
The episode closes with advice that captures Michele’s approach perfectly: “Get a mitt and get in the game.” Wherever you are, show up fully — or have the courage to move on.
It’s a conversation about careers that meander, mentors who matter, and the quiet power of community — and a reminder that the most meaningful journeys are rarely the most linear ones.
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In this episode of Coach Class, I'm joined by Phil Myerscough — a Lancashire-born digital and e-commerce consultant, music producer, and founder of Bradford Digital — to explore how careers are really built: through curiosity, community, and the courage to ask for help.
Phil traces his journey from growing up in Lancashire to moving to London at 18, where he studied music technology, worked in recording studios, and immersed himself in the creative energy of the 1990s. Those early experiences — from wiring synths to adapting to rapidly changing technology — laid the foundations for his later approach to digital work: fundamentals first, tools second.
A pivotal chapter of the conversation centres on Richer Sounds, where Phil walked in looking for a job to pay the rent and ended up running the website. At a time when e-commerce barely existed, Richer Sounds taught him enduring principles of customer service, trust, accountability, and shared responsibility — lessons he still draws on today. From early marketing emails that accidentally took the website down to learning restraint and judgement, Phil’s digital education was firmly “learning by doing.”
Phil reflects on his move to Bradford at 26, joining catalogue-led retailers as they began their shift online. Across roles at Redcats, Damart, Kaleidoscope and luxury brand N.Peal, he helped teams move from catalogue thinking to a true retail mindset — treating websites as shop windows and focusing on merchandising fundamentals long before AI and automation entered the conversation.
Nine years ago, Phil made the leap into self-employment, initially planning just “12 days of work” — a plan that quietly turned into a long-term consultancy. He speaks candidly about the recurring anxieties of freelance life, the annual moments of doubt, and the realisation that resilience often means simply keeping going.
A major focus of the episode is Bradford Digital, which Phil founded in October 2023 after years of attending digital events in other cities and asking a simple question: why not Bradford? What began as an experiment quickly drew 50 people to the first event, growing into a thriving community with hundreds of attendees, dozens of speakers, and a reputation for being open, practical, and welcoming.
Phil explains how Bradford Digital is intentionally different: no hierarchy, no corporate gloss, and a strong emphasis on culture and community alongside commerce. The meetups have helped reframe perceptions of Bradford, bringing visitors into the city and giving locals confidence in the talent around them.
The conversation also touches on a difficult period earlier this year when Phil’s consultancy faced real financial pressure. He shares how asking for help — openly and honestly — became a turning point, unlocking support, new work, and renewed perspective. For Phil, this experience reinforced a powerful lesson: asking for help isn’t weakness, it’s leadership.
Looking ahead, Phil outlines ambitious plans to scale Bradford Digital into a city-wide digital festival, aligned with UK Tech Week and building toward a larger annual moment that brings together universities, businesses, the council, and community organisations. While the vision is bold, Phil is clear that his role isn’t to be the hero — but the host and catalyst.
The episode closes with a reflection on impact: cities aren’t transformed by strategies or slogans, but by people who quietly connect others, show up consistently, and care deeply about place.
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In this episode, I caught up with my old Asda colleague Leanne Mallory, who’s now Head of Product Practice at the Co-op. It was brilliant to reconnect — not least because she still remembers some advice I gave her over a decade ago about turning off her devices… and still tries to follow it.
We talked about those early Asda days when digital marketing, e-commerce, and retail media were just starting to collide. Leanne described how that culture of experimentation and collaboration taught her the value of empowerment — giving teams the space to try things, learn fast, and lead from where they are. She said the best leaders are the ones who clear a path and trust their teams to get on with it.
Leanne also shared how she’s evolved from being a hands-on product lead to shaping a whole product practice at the Co-op — a business that, in her words, “balances commercial thinking with a genuine social conscience.” Her focus now is on developing people, creating consistency across teams, and making sure product managers have the skills and confidence to do their best work.
We explored how technology has changed over the years — from the days when buying a £700 climbing frame on a mobile phone felt unthinkable, to today’s mobile-first world. Yet, as Leanne pointed out, the fundamentals haven’t changed: it’s still about spending time with customers, understanding their real needs, and not chasing shiny tech for the sake of it.
She talked honestly about the transition from doing to leading — admitting she still misses being close to the action but has learned to take satisfaction in helping others succeed. A coaching qualification helped her shift from giving answers to asking better questions, something she sees as vital for modern leadership.
One of my favourite moments came when she reflected on career advice that stuck with her: your career is built on what you say no to, not what you say yes to. It’s a reminder that focus matters — at work and at home.
Leanne’s warmth, self-awareness, and humour shine through in this conversation. We covered leadership, empowerment, technology, balance, and that eternal challenge of switching off and not constantly checking notifications — but as Leanne’s current boss wisely says, “If it’s really urgent, we’ll phone you.”
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In this episode of Coach Class I had the privilege of sitting down with Dave Birss — writer, educator, keynote speaker, and former creative director — to explore curiosity, creativity, and the sensible use of AI.
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The episode ends on a mix of realism and optimism: it's a privilege to be able to celebrate Dave’s ability to make complex ideas relatable and it reminds me to stay curious, critical, and brave — using AI to amplify, not replace, your own thinking.
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In this episode of Coach Class, I welcome back Stephen Waddington – “Wadds” – one of the UK’s most influential thinkers in public relations. A former agency leader, CIPR president, and prolific blogger, Wadds is now immersed in a PhD at Leeds Business School, exploring the age-old question: how can PR prove its value and earn recognition as a true management function?
Together, we unpack the personal and professional journey behind this research. Wadds reflects on the discipline and sacrifice of pursuing a PhD, the frustration of knowing that many of the answers already exist, and the humility of building incrementally on the work of those who came before. He shares how COVID-19 briefly elevated the role of PR to the management table, and why the profession still struggles with definitions, measurement, professionalism, and recognition compared to fields like law or finance.
The conversation also explores deeper themes of self-doubt, resilience, and legacy. Wadds talks about moving from uncertainty to determination, the importance of gratitude, and the emotional experience of acknowledging mentors such as Dr Jon White. He recalls how writing — and not sending — a letter of thanks helped crystallise his sense of purpose, reminding him that he isn’t alone in facing these questions.
We also discuss what it means to “be taken seriously” as a profession, drawing on quotes from Jon White (“there’s no such thing as bad theory, only theory that hasn’t been challenged”), Logan Roy (“you are not serious people”), and Alan Bennett (“keep on keeping on”). These provocations highlight the gap between theory and practice, and the urgent need for PR to embrace knowledge, standards, and repeatable processes if it is to stand alongside other professions.
Finally, Wadds explains why his current survey matters: it’s a rare opportunity to capture contemporary evidence about the state of PR worldwide. He urges in-house public relations and corporate communications practitioners in any sector, at any level, working in the UK to take part, helping to build the evidence base that will shape the industry’s future.
This is a candid, passionate, and often emotional conversation about what it takes to push a profession forward — step by step, contribution by contribution — and why the baton now being carried by Wadds could make a generational difference to the field of public relations.
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In this episode of Coach Class I caught up with Jane Kenyon MBE — a serial entrepreneur, intuitive coach, and unapologetic champion for women and girls. Jane shares her extraordinary personal journey: from a traumatic upbringing and being abandoned at 16, to thriving in corporate life, reinventing herself as an entrepreneur, and ultimately founding Girls Out Loud – a social enterprise that empowers teenage girls to find their voice, speak up, and make bold, informed choices.
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In this episode of Coach Class, I was joined by Amanda Downs — commercial leader turned coach, facilitator, and soon-to-be author of Stepping Up to Sales Leader.
Using the Japanese concept of Ikigai — your reason for being — as a guiding theme, Amanda reflects on what lights her up, how she helps others grow, and why leading a commercial team is a bit like tending a garden.
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Amanda also shares the lessons she’s learned from Dare to Lead by Brené Brown, how she helps leaders rediscover what they’re good at, and why vulnerability is the new superpower.
This episode is for anyone who’s led a team, faced a fork in the road, or simply wants to do meaningful work with integrity and heart.
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“Selling and helping people to buy things is not a dirty word… It’s the lifeblood of what makes economies boom or fail. And the most authentic way to sell? It’s to find the value and turn it into a story you can tell.” — Amanda Downs
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🎧 In this episode of Coach Class, I’m joined by someone I’ve admired for years — Sarah Fothergill, now Vice President at HH Global, the world’s fastest-growing marketing execution company.
Sarah and I reflect on our shared time at Asda — a place that was far more than just a job. It was a boot camp for leadership, values, resilience, and finding your voice. We explore the people who influenced her most, including Katherine Paterson, Rick Bendel, and Chris Mcdonough — and the lessons they passed on that still shape her leadership style today.
From her early days faxing house plant orders to stores, to creating Walmart’s global marketing academy, and now managing a multimillion business at HH Global, Sarah’s journey is packed with hard-won insight, humility, and heart.
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🧠 One to Remember:
“You won’t know what you’re good at until you try everything — even the scary stuff.”
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In this episode of Coach Class, I caught up with executive coach and chartered engineer Sam Williams, whose personal journey through late-diagnosed ADHD and perimenopause has redefined how she leads, coaches, and lives.
What started as a 30-second BBC appearance turned into a profound moment of reflection for Sam—one that prompted her to confront long-held beliefs like “I’m lazy” or “I’m in decline.” Through coaching, curiosity, and compassion, she’s learned to rewrite these inner narratives and reclaim her identity on her own terms.
Together, Sam and I explore:
Whether you’re navigating change, coaching others through it, or simply trying to make sense of your inner voice—this is a conversation full of insight, empathy, and empowerment.
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In this reflective and energising episode, I had the pleasure of reconnecting with my former Asda colleague Melissa Hill, now on a well-earned career break after 16 years at Walmart. Together, we explore what it really means to pause, reset, and be intentional about the next chapter.
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Melissa shares her “three Ps” for her sabbatical: public service, personal housekeeping, and purposeful enrichment of the mind — and offers candid reflections on what she’s learning while travelling across Europe, including surprising insights from Beirut and spontaneous reunions in Bradford.
This is a must-listen for anyone considering a career pivot, feeling burnt out, or simply seeking inspiration on how to live and lead with more intention.
💬 “The minute you step away, you realise — it wasn’t the job that made me. I made the job.” – Melissa Hill
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In this episode of Coach Class Kate Levy shares her remarkable career journey from child actress to award-winning executive producer and creative leader. With years of experience spanning TV, branded content, and B2B production, Kate has shaped powerful stories across sectors—and guided teams through high-stakes creative projects.
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💬 “The only way to get experience is chronologically. But if you're still curious, open to change, and passionate about making great work—you’ve got so much to offer.” – Kate Levy
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In this episode of Coach Class, I’m joined by Ray McCaughan, a seasoned nurse and founder of Horizon Health Clinics in Skipton. With over 25 years’ experience in acute care, chronic care, and forensic mental health, Ray shares how a ride-along with his paramedic uncle in the 1980s led him from HM Treasury to a lifelong commitment to healthcare.
We explore:
Ray also talks about measuring success through tools like stress and wellbeing scores, and shares one case where a client’s stress level dropped from 46 to 20 in just eight weeks.
This conversation is full of insights for leaders, coaches, and anyone interested in how healthcare — and life — can be more human, more compassionate, and more sustainable.
☕ Plus: a shoutout to Skipton coffee, walking in the Dales, and why sometimes doing nothing is the healthiest choice of all.
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In this episode of Coach Class, I sat down with Kevin Gratton, whose journey through some of the most intense kitchens in the world has shaped him into a reflective, generous leader and mentor in the hospitality industry. From working under Marco Pierre White to launching his own consultancy—Samphire and Sage—Kevin’s career is rich with insight, grit, and transformation.
Key Themes:
Learning in High-Pressure Environments
Kevin talks candidly about his early days in Marco Pierre White’s brigade, the pressure-cooker environment, and what it taught him about resilience and standards.
The Shift to Leadership
We explore the tough emotional terrain of moving from being part of the team to leading it—and how this transition forced him to reevaluate how he motivated others.
Space to Reflect
A three-year stint in the Cayman Islands gave Kevin time to reset, learn a new leadership style, and put empathy and compassion at the heart of his approach.
Starting Samphire and Sage
Now focused on mentoring and menu development, Kevin’s consultancy is rooted in 30+ years of experience—but built to serve people, not just systems.
Attitude over Aptitude
Kevin shares the philosophy that skills can be taught—but attitude, empathy, and social awareness are what create lasting success in teams.
Leading on Your Own Terms
He reflects on the power of long-term relationships, trusting your own values, and the importance of leading in a way that aligns with who you are.
💡 Takeaways for Leaders & Coaches
Kevin’s experience offers important reminders for leaders far beyond the hospitality sector:
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In this episode of Coach Class, I caught up with Gail Paddy, a seasoned leader in the UK grocery industry with over 30 years' experience at Asda and Morrisons. Gail discusses product development, own-brand strategy, food education, and career transitions, along with her new role in coaching and consulting.
Key Themes & Insights
1️⃣ Passion for Food & Early Career Aspirations
💬 "I fell in love with retail. You either love it or you don’t."
2️⃣ Leadership in the UK Grocery Sector
💬 "A health scare makes you rethink everything. This was an opportunity I couldn't pass up."
3️⃣ The Reality of Retail & Customer Impact
💬 "Decisions in retail have a real impact on people’s lives."
4️⃣ Transition to Coaching & Consulting
💬 "Retail teaches you to listen to respond. Coaching teaches you to listen to understand."
5️⃣ Supporting Women in Leadership & Work-Life Balance
💬 "I want to help women feel empowered to be their authentic selves in leadership."
6️⃣ Giving Back – Food Poverty & Education
💬 "There is life outside corporate retail—you just need to find the right path."
Final Thoughts
Gail’s career highlights passion, resilience, and adaptability. From grocery innovation to mentoring future leaders, she continues to make an impact.
🎙️ Want to connect with Gail? Find her on LinkedIn under Food for Thought Coaching & Consulting.
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Jo Reeves is a highly experienced personal and business coach — armed with an impressive coaching resume, a knack for making big topics feel totally relatable, and the occasional well-placed “bab” (because you can take the girl out of Birmingham, but you can’t take Birmingham out of the girl).
With a passion for helping people build confidence and self-belief, Jo has led multiple transformational programmes. Whether she’s coaching high-flyers, working parents, or people at a crossroads, her holistic and collaborative approach helps them navigate change without losing themselves in the process.
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Jo’s background in the voluntary and charity sector, particularly in substance misuse, addiction recovery, and supporting high-risk women, has profoundly shaped her coaching philosophy. She has worked in probation offices, homeless hostels, and prisons, gaining firsthand experience in guiding people through profound life changes.
Jo is particularly passionate about coaching women and working parents, helping them navigate challenges such as burnout and self-confidence. She highlights the paradox faced by working parents—expected to perform at work as if they don’t have children while being fully present in their child’s life as if they don’t have a job.
As a coach, Jo works with professional coaches to better understand and prevent burnout, collaborating with Jayne Morris in this field. She also emphasizes how grief is present in every coaching journey—not just related to bereavement but also to loss of identity, redundancy, or life transitions. “Every change brings around a loss of some sort, whether that’s a change you instigate or a change that’s been enforced upon you.”
Jo, alongside Jayne Morris, Kelly Quinn, John Fleming, and Ros Coleman, is co-leading a coaching retreat designed for coaches, change-makers, and empaths. Set in a 250-acre nature reserve, the Focus and Flourish Retreat provides an immersive experience for reflection, realignment, and self-care. “When like-minded people get together, magic happens.”
Jo and Dom discuss the importance of finding a supportive tribe in coaching and personal growth. Dom reflects on his experiences from Barefoot Coaching training, emphasising how deep connections can form in coaching communities. “There’s so many ills of modern society where people just haven’t got a tribe.”
Jo speaks about the power of acknowledging endings—whether in work, relationships, or personal transitions. She highlights how organisations should handle redundancies with dignity, drawing parallels to sports teams that honour former players. “Honouring an ending gives us an opportunity to clear the clutter for fresh beginnings.”
To connect with Jo, visit her website or find her on LinkedIn. She also invites those interested in the Focus and Flourish Retreat to check out Balanceology for details. Or as Jo says: “I’m always up for a cuppa and a chat.”
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In this episode I speak with Sarah Ramsey (Trustee) and Gareth Pierce (CEO) of Forget Me Not Hospice. While the conversation is centred on children’s hospice care, it also offers leadership insights into motivation, culture, and values—core themes that resonate across business, charity, and personal growth.
1. Purpose-Driven Leadership & Motivation
Both Sarah and Gareth transitioned from corporate careers into the hospice sector, driven by a desire to make a meaningful impact. Gareth describes how every decision, conversation, and meeting is directly linked to helping children and families—a powerful daily motivator unlike anything in corporate roles.
The hospice operates with a "live well" philosophy, ensuring children and their families experience joy and support, not just end-of-life care.
Leadership takeaway: Clarity of purpose fuels motivation—whether in business or non-profit, leaders thrive when they see the direct impact of their work.
2. Building an Authentic Culture
Forget Me Not Hospice is described as a home, not a hospice—its environment, care philosophy, and team ethos embody warmth, family, and support.
The hospice’s values—Caring, Courageous, Positive, Pioneering, and Genuine—are not just words but lived daily. This is evident in staff engagement, family care, and visible signs of culture throughout the building.
Leadership takeaway: Culture is reinforced by actions, not slogans—organisations must embed values in daily work, physical spaces, and onboarding processes.
3. Leading Through Uncertainty & Financial Challenge
The hospice faces immense financial pressures, needing to raise £6 million annually, with only 10% from government funding. Despite these challenges, the team maintains a solutions-focused mindset, working with other hospices, corporate sponsors, and fundraising initiatives. Gareth stresses the importance of adaptability—balancing short-term survival with long-term advocacy for systemic funding reform.
Leadership takeaway: Resilient leadership requires both a survival mindset and a vision for the future—leaders must manage immediate pressures while keeping sight of long-term goals.
4. The Power of Collaboration & Collective Impact
Forget Me Not collaborates rather than competes with other hospices to advocate for change, share resources, and optimise costs. Unlike corporate environments where competitiveness limits collaboration, the hospice sector thrives on shared learning, open dialogue, and collective action.
Leadership takeaway: Successful leaders know when to compete and when to collaborate—building alliances, even in challenging sectors, is key to sustainability and impact.
Final Reflections – Finding Meaning in Leadership
Both guests emphasise that personal fulfilment comes from making a difference.
Sarah finds motivation in family stories, which remind her why she volunteers.
Gareth stays grounded by engaging with children and families, reigniting his passion daily.
Leadership takeaway: True leadership is not just about success; it’s about significance. When leaders align work with meaning and values, motivation and impact follow naturally.
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Owen Eastwood is a world-renowned performance coach, author of the bestselling book Belonging, and a passionate advocate for the power of connection and shared purpose. His work draws on the Māori concept of Whakapapa, emphasising the importance of understanding our place within a lineage and creating environments where individuals feel they truly belong.
Owen has worked with some of the world’s most elite teams—from the English national football team to the South African cricket team, as well as military leaders and even ballet dancers. In this podcast we explore how his unique approach helps teams unlock their potential and what we can all learn about belonging, leadership, and shared values.
Owen’s Journey
Eastwood transitioned from a 15-year legal career in London to coaching elite teams, starting accidentally by offering advice on workplace dynamics to clients of the firm. Growing up in New Zealand, Owen faced identity challenges after his father’s early death but found connection when his grandmother's Māori tribe, who recognised him and shared his ancestral lineage. This revelation profoundly shaped his life and work philosophy.
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The episode concludes with Owen’s call for leaders to embrace Whakapapa-inspired values, creating environments of belonging and shared accountability.
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In this episode of Coach Class, I sit down with Leah Spears, Head of Brand at Paddy Power, to discuss her career journey and the lessons she’s gathered along the way.
With over 20 years of experience, Leah shares how her childhood dream of working in television transformed into a passion for marketing, eventually leading her to roles at Brazen PR, a long tenure at Asda, where she embraced an entrepreneurial culture that encouraged creativity and risk-taking.
Leah reflects on her time at Asda as “more than a job…a second home,” where she learned from inspirational leaders like Rick Bendel and Judith McKenna and adopted a “never ask for permission, always ask for forgiveness” approach that shaped her professional outlook. She also highlights the significance of female leadership, particularly under her current Marketing MD, Michelle Spillane, and the impact it’s had on her understanding of leadership and its role in empowering others.
In a candid discussion on work-life balance, Leah acknowledges the challenges of balancing a high-profile career with personal life, particularly as today’s culture places a higher value on mental well-being and boundaries than it did in earlier years. She shares how evolving attitudes toward work-life balance allow professionals to thrive without sacrificing their personal lives: “Everyone’s just trying to do their best…you have to give them credit where credit’s due for all facets of their life.”
Leah’s advice to young professionals includes invaluable insights on resilience, grit, and blocking out negativity. She stresses the importance of “being a student” of one’s industry, soaking up as much knowledge as possible, and staying motivated through setbacks: “Don’t listen to any negativity…anyone can do anything that they put their mind to. Stick at it because it’s always going to be tough.”
Finally, Leah reveals her dream of someday working in the film industry, sharing her ongoing curiosity and drive for new experiences. For those with a passion to explore new paths, she recommends “manifesting” their goals with an open mind, optimism, and resilience: “Sometimes you might be shy and sometimes you might not have all of the opportunities…but if you just keep pushing, believe in it, and try your hardest, then things happen in a good way.”
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In this episode of Coach Class I'm thrilled to be joined by James Sills, a freelance choir leader, vocal coach, and author of the inspiring book Do Sing. In his work, James advocates for the transformative power of singing, not only as a form of creative expression but as a remedy to the stresses of modern life.
His book encourages readers to overcome their inhibitions, find their voice, and experience the joy of singing—whether alone or as part of a community.
In the conversation we dive into his journey, the benefits of singing for health and wellbeing, and how you too can reawaken a love for singing.
James discusses his early musical experiences, his transition from being a classroom music teacher to a full-time vocal facilitator in 2017, and the importance of singing in fostering community, joy, and well-being.
He emphasises that group singing is more than just producing sounds; it creates a sense of belonging, connection, and mental well-being, serving as a remedy to the stresses of modern life. He speaks about his various projects, including community choirs, workplace choirs, and his online singing community, "The Sofa Singers," which he launched during the pandemic and continues to grow.
He reflects on the barriers people often face when it comes to singing, such as societal perceptions about needing a "good voice," and his efforts to make singing accessible and enjoyable for everyone. I also share my own experiences of being hesitant to sing publicly but finding joy in participating in communal singing experiences. Together, we discuss the powerful role that singing plays in breaking down the barriers between performers and audiences, fostering human connection, and improving mental health.
The conversation also touches on James' experience training as a coach with Barefoot Coaching, which has influenced his work and approach to group dynamics, leadership, and connection through singing.
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In this episode of the Coach Class I chat with Dr. Bob Gomersall, a prominent entrepreneur, founder of Surpass Assessment, and chairman of Advanced Digital Innovations. Bob takes us through his fascinating journey, starting from his early days as a physics teacher to becoming a successful business leader, and now an author. His reflections provide valuable lessons on innovation, entrepreneurship, and the importance of finding purpose in work and life.
Bob begins by sharing his passion for physics and how it shaped his early career. After studying at the Universities of Durham and Bristol, and working at the Max Planck Institute in Stuttgart, Bob initially pursued a path in academia. However, a desire for a more flexible lifestyle and a love of the outdoors led him to shift gears and transition into teaching.
As an educator, Bob was always looking for ways to bring creativity into his work, which eventually sparked his entrepreneurial ventures. He was an early adopter of technology in education, even using one of the first mini-computers at Manchester Grammar School to set up automated tests for students. This experience planted the seeds for his later ventures in digital learning.
Bob reflects on the ups and downs of starting his businesses, especially the patience required to innovate. His first entrepreneurial success came with the development of an audiometer, a project that began as a side hustle but eventually became profitable.
He also highlights how innovations often take time to find success, noting that many of his ideas initially went nowhere, but later became viable as technology and market conditions evolved.
Bob challenges the conventional notion that entrepreneurs are solely motivated by money. Instead, he believes that most entrepreneurs are driven by the desire to create something meaningful. His emphasis on creating businesses that align with personal values is central to his message in his new book.
Bob’s new book, Worthwhile Wealth: The Entrepreneur’s Guide to Success that Satisfies, is a key focus of the conversation. The book challenges traditional ideas of wealth and success, encouraging entrepreneurs to think beyond financial gain and focus on what truly brings fulfilment.
Bob emphasises the importance of purpose, reflecting on how many entrepreneurs who achieve financial success still struggle to find meaning in their work. His advice is to be mindful of aligning your work with what genuinely drives you, as this will bring long-term fulfilment.
Looking ahead, Bob is particularly excited about the potential of artificial intelligence and personalised learning. He sees AI as a tool that could revolutionise education by providing tailored learning experiences similar to those offered by private tutors.
Throughout the interview, Bob’s humility and grounded perspective shine through. He speaks candidly about the challenges of entrepreneurship, the need for resilience, and the importance of staying true to what matters most. His reflections on balancing business success with personal satisfaction offer valuable insights for anyone looking to create a fulfilling career.
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In a double-header, I sit down with Nathan Atkinson and Kevin Mackay from Rethink Food, a transformative initiative dedicated to removing hunger as a barrier to learning in schools. With a focus on innovative educational approaches and community-driven solutions, Nathan and Kevin share their journey from classroom teachers to founders of a movement that addresses food insecurity and poor nutrition among young people in the UK.
Key Themes Discussed:
Hunger as a Barrier to Learning: Nathan's commitment to eliminating hunger as an obstacle for students began after witnessing firsthand the impact of food insecurity in his school. Together with Kevin Mackay, they discovered that hunger was a hidden issue affecting many students, even in affluent areas.
Innovative Educational Approaches: The Rethink Food team integrates food education into the school curriculum, transforming student perceptions and improving academic outcomes. Kevin shares a powerful story of how a failed food stall initiative evolved into a successful educational programme that changed the way students and families think about food.
Community and Volunteer Power: The success of Rethink Food relies on a strong community of volunteers and staff who are passionate about making a difference. The organisation intercepts and redistributes food, providing vital support to thousands of people each week while fostering a sense of purpose among volunteers.
Impact on Students and Families: The initiatives have had a profound impact, not only on students but also on their families. From changing attitudes towards food waste to empowering young people to question food sources, Rethink Food is creating a ripple effect of positive change.
Ongoing Challenges and Future Vision: Despite their successes, Nathan and Kevin acknowledge that the problem of hunger and poor nutrition in the UK is worsening. They discuss their future plans to continue innovating and expanding their reach, with the goal of delivering 10 million hours of learning to empower the next generation.
How to Get Involved:
Listeners can learn more about Rethink Food and access free educational resources by visiting rethinkfood.co.uk. Whether you’re a school governor, teacher, or simply someone who wants to make a difference, there are plenty of ways to support and get involved with this impactful organisation.
Location:
Rethink Food's headquarters are located in Leeds, right next to Leeds United's Elland Road. They welcome visitors who want to see their work in action or participate in corporate volunteer days.
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Website: rethinkfood.co.uk
LinkedIn: Nathan Atkinson and Kevin Mackay
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In this episode of Coach Class, I catch up with Simon Eyles, Managing Director of Betty's. We discuss Simon’s professional journey, leadership insights, and his transition from various food industries to his current role.
Simon reflects on the overwhelming scale and energy when he joined Asda compared to his previous roles, emphasising how each position, from beer and dairy to chips and chocolate, followed his passion for food.
He credits many mentors for shaping his leadership style, highlighting their exceptional listening skills and supportive nature. Key figures who invested time in understanding and developing his potential.
Simon underscores the importance of resilience and learning from failures, sharing experiences with unsuccessful TV ads and product launches. He emphasises that senior roles involve asking good questions rather than having all the answers. This perspective aligns with his belief in the value of mistakes as learning opportunities.
Discussing his journey into formalising his coaching skills, Simon describes a transformative 12-month course that enhanced his listening and engagement abilities. He learned to be fully present in conversations, appreciating the power of silence and reflective questioning.
Simon also highlights the significance of regular team reflections on behaviour, performance, and trust. He believes that focusing on relationships and self-awareness within teams leads to exceptional results.
Although not actively seeking clients at the moment, Simon enjoys coaching and envisions it playing a larger role in his future, emphasising its personal satisfaction and developmental impact.
Our conversation provides valuable insights into leadership, resilience, and the importance of continuous personal and professional growth.
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Boasting over two decades of executive leadership across various sectors, Chris is now at the helm of Corkcicle, a brand known for its innovative and eco-friendly lifestyle products. Under his stewardship, Corkcicle has seen a remarkable 50% growth over the last three years, while maintaining a sharp focus on sustainability.
Previously, as a senior leader at LLBean, Chris spearheaded a team of over 2,000, driving significant advancements across e-commerce and retail channels, both domestically and internationally. His expertise in global retail, strategic marketing, e-commerce, and international business is matched by an inspiring leadership style that fosters unity, innovation, and growth.
Known for a collaborative communication approach, he has a unique ability to engage teams, encourage partnership, and drive significant organisational change.
Throughout the conversation, we explore several critical themes that will resonate deeply with professional coaches, mentors, and leaders striving to make a meaningful impact.
The Path to Authentic Leadership: Chris articulates his leadership philosophy, underlining the importance of authenticity, respect, and clarity. His approach to leadership emphasises empowering individuals to exceed their perceived limitations by setting clear objectives and fostering an environment of trust and respect.
The Art of Planning for Agility: Chris advocates for detailed planning not as a constraint but as a means to achieve greater agility in decision-making and adaptability in the face of unforeseen challenges.
Mentorship and Its Lasting Impact: Reflecting on his experiences, Chris highlights the profound effect that mentorship has had on his career and how he, in turn, aims to inspire and support others.
Being Present and Mindful: I share my personal revelation on the importance of being present, especially in coaching contexts. Our discussion sheds light on the transformative power of active listening and creating a supportive space for growth and discovery.
Wisdom and Reflection: We discuss the evolution of our understanding of leadership, the acquisition of wisdom, and the advice we would offer our younger selves.
If you enjoy listening to this podcast why not check out some of the others in season 1 & 2. Or perhaps you fancy taking part yourself? If so why not get in touch. You can find me via LinkedIn or Twitter
Joy Cosgrove is a UK and Ireland based Retail Learning Consultant & Personal Coach. She has years of hands on experience in the training room and on the shop floor, and I had the pleasure of training with her at Barefoot.
She is also the proud mum of three lovely kids, one of whom is a talented and powerful young woman. Who, as it happens has Down Syndrome.
I was struck by a post Joy shared on LinkedIn the other day - a powerful film of a young woman with Downs ordering a margarita at a bar. Take the time to watch it here.
Created by the Canadian Down Syndrome Society (CDSS) - a national non-profit organisation focused upon human rights, health, social participation, inclusive education and employment for those with Down syndrome - they describe the film by saying:
"Our negative assumptions about people with Down syndrome can lead us to treat them in such a way that these assumptions become reality. In sociology, this is called a ‘self-fulfilling prophecy.’ Why not reverse our perspectives? If we have positive assumptions about people with Down syndrome, they will have opportunities at school, at work, in relationships, and other activities. And maybe these positive assumptions will become reality."
It really struck a chord and inspired me to spend the most amazing half hour discussing this and other assumptions we make as leaders about our people and their abilities to succeed.
If you enjoy listening to this podcast why not check out some of the others in season 1 & 2. Or perhaps you fancy taking part yourself? If so why not get in touch. You can find me via LinkedIn or Twitter
Rosie and Claire first met over a lunch where they shared their stories about belonging, culture, leadership and coaching. Their ambitions were to create cultures where people felt they didn’t have to be something they weren’t, they were confident to speak up and contribute and leaders brought out the best in their people. Toegther they founded Flying Iguana.
In this podcast we cover various topics related to leadership, team dynamics, coaching, and personal growth. Both Rosie and Claire have a wealth of experience in HR and team facilitation across different industries, including the music industry, television, banking, and sports. They delve into the importance of adapting to change, the strengths within teams, the need for self-awareness, and the benefits of effective communication.
Key points include:
Rosie and Claire emphasise the idea that teams benefit most when they recognise and leverage each member's strengths, encouraging a culture of mutual respect and empathy.
Effective leadership involves guiding teams through changes and challenges, rather than managing them in a directive manner.
Our discussion underscores the value of coaching and targeted interventions to foster team effectiveness, adaptability, and overall performance.
If you enjoy listening to this podcast why not check out some of the others in season 1 & 2. Or perhaps you fancy taking part yourself? If so why not get in touch. You can find me via LinkedIn or Twitter
Professor Ralph Tench is the Director of Research for Leeds Business School and the elected President and Head of the Board of Directors for the European Public Relations Research and Education Association (EUPRERA).
He was one of my tutors at Leeds Met back in 1994, having left the field of journalism and advertising and ventured into academia. The girls loved him, the lads loved him, everyone loved Ralph.
In this podcast we reflect on the last 30 years (nearly), and how he helped me get my first job, was my tutor for my dissertation - and no doubt the reason I got a first for it - and now, a fairly regular beer companion.
We cover a wide range of topics, from Ralph's personal history and experience to a broader discussion on the field of communications, education, and the impact of technology.
Ralph shares his journey from his early education and various roles in communications and academia to his current position and interests. They discuss the importance of practical learning, the value of international experiences, and the evolving nature of the communications industry.
The conversation also touches on the challenges and opportunities presented by technology, the importance of ethics in communication, and the need for adaptability in a rapidly changing world. Prof Tench emphasises the significance of networking, mentorship, and continuous learning throughout one's career.
Here are five key themes from our conversation that stand as guiding principles for a successful career:
Prof. Ralph Tench's journey and insights are a testament to the dynamic and multifaceted nature of PR.
As others navigate their paths in this field, let his experiences and wisdom guide you toward a career marked by adaptability, ethical practice, continuous learning, and a g
If you enjoy listening to this podcast why not check out some of the others in season 1 & 2. Or perhaps you fancy taking part yourself? If so why not get in touch. You can find me via LinkedIn or Twitter
In a follow up to the podcast I recorded with my dad last October, in this episode I am pleased to introduce you to 'the mother, 'Josie Burch, my mum, whose life story is a testament to resilience, compassion, and the indomitable spirit of believing in yourself.
Our conversation is rich with personal anecdotes and pearls of wisdom, as we delve into the experiences from her upbringing in Dunmurry Northern Ireland, to her impactful work in social causes, offering invaluable insights into the essence of leading a purposeful life.
Josie's early life in a working-class family laid the foundation for her strong sense of community and responsibility. Four sisters who shared a room, didn't have much, but their upbringing instilled a profound understanding of the importance of support networks, not material possessions. She was educated by nuns, and the only girl in the village to pass her 11+ and get packed off to the convent.
We also explore my mum's contributions to social causes, notably her involvement in HIV/AIDS awareness and helping establish needle exchanges. Her commitment to this cause is powerfully conveyed and highlights the transformative power of empathy and education in combating the stigma and misinformation that existed back then.
My mum's reflections on personal resilience and self-determination are particularly striking. Faced with adversity, she maintained a steadfast belief in her ability to effect change. She felt different and special. This philosophy not only guided her through difficult times but also served as a beacon for her community work, inspiring others to take initiative in their lives and surroundings.
Throughout the podcast, my mum's musings on her life, the opportunities she had and took, but also on death and for people to be able to die with dignity, show that in spite of her age (81 this weekend) she's not given up on campaigning for what's right or having her voice heard regardless of whether you want to listen or not!
I'd love to know what you think.
If you enjoy listening to this podcast why not check out some of the others in season 1 & 2. Or perhaps you fancy taking part yourself? If so why not get in touch. You can find me via LinkedIn or Twitter
In this, my 50th podcast, I welcome back Steve Smith, who was my first guest on Coach class nearly three years ago. Steve shares valuable insights into leadership and life, being your authentic self whether you're washing the car, buying a bagel or appearing on stage as the CEO of Maine's most famous brand L.L.Bean. With a break from the norm, we also take questions from Coach Class listeners who admire Steve or were positively influenced by him when he was at Asda and Walmart - like Gal who asks what his book will be about, Tope who asks about authentic leadership, and Sean who is curious about the transition from CMO to CEO.
We cover a wide variety of themes including:
Steve's honesty and openness is refreshing. He's warm and generous, not least to me, but also to everyone seemingly he has ever met.
Finally I promised in the podcast to provide a link to his recent appearance on NPR's Wait Wait Don't Tell Me (fast forward to 20 mins).
If you enjoy listening to this podcast why not check out some of the others in season 1 & 2. Or perhaps you fancy taking part yourself? If so why not get in touch. You can find me via LinkedIn or Twitter
Tony Page is a turnaround specialist and an expert in solving distress situations particularly for private equity-backed businesses. He is also a transformative leadership mentor and coach.
He started his career as a fresh produce buyer at Sainsbury's. But really cut his teeth at Asda in the mid 90s and early naughties.
In our podcast he reflects on those early days describing how Asda's culture of freedom and rule-breaking inspired him.
"Asda just gave you that ability to break rules. And I hadn't realised how many rules I enjoy breaking". Looking back he recognises how it made him appreciate a more dynamic and less restrictive corporate environment.
Tony emphasises the importance of being authentic in the workplace. He believes that authenticity fosters a more genuine and productive environment. He says, "Being your authentic self in work... is so important, because I think then people are going to be authentic to you".
He also shares his perspective on coaching and mentoring, differentiating between the two. While he values the coaching process, he admits to being more inclined towards mentoring for quicker results in a business context. He explains, "Mentoring just feels a bit more like you can get to the answer quicker".
We discuss how personal experiences and vulnerabilities play a crucial role in leadership and coaching. He recounts an instance with his daughter and how it influenced his understanding of patience and personal growth, "It's amazing how people, in her case, my daughter, just found her own way".
Tony is a leader who values freedom, authenticity, and practicality in his professional and personal life. His approach to leadership and mentoring is shaped by his experiences, emphasising the importance of adapting and being true to yourself.
Take a listen and let me know what you think. We could have easily talked for another hour or so, and maybe we will. There's a book in there somewhere, itching to get out.
If you enjoy listening to this podcast why not check out some of the others in season 1 & 2. Or perhaps you fancy taking part yourself? If so why not get in touch. You can find me via LinkedIn or Twitter
Claire is the Chief People and Inclusion Officer at Co-op. Prior to the Co-op, she worked across Asda and Walmart for 23 years, setting up, establishing and leading the procurement team. As well as sharing learning and experiences with wider Walmart international markets to grow procurement support and influence, Claire also held a UK-based role leading the US IT Sourcing team, working remotely with teams across four countries.
Claire started her career as a factory accountant at Smith and Nephew, and shares her experiences in finance, procurement, and people management, highlighting the transitions and skills learned along the way.
She emphasises the importance of adaptability and learning in different roles. During her time at Asda, we discuss the importance of culture, team dynamics, and explore her movement from finance to procurement, and more recently her transition into a people-focused role at Coop. She describes how her previous experiences influence her approach to this role.
Our conversation touches upon the corporate culture at Asda and Coop, with Claire noting similarities in values and community focus. She also talks about the challenges and opportunities in aligning with corporate values.
We then discuss the evolving nature of work, especially in the context of hybrid and flexible working arrangements. And explore how these changes impact team dynamics and leadership approaches.
Throughout the discussion, Claire provides personal insights into her career choices, the importance of taking risks, and the value of understanding different facets of a business. She advocates for career breaks, reflecting on her own experience and the benefits it brought to her professional and personal life.
Finally towards the end, Claire shares her excitement for upcoming projects and initiatives at Coop, particularly focusing on inclusion and belonging. She also briefly touches on her personal life, discussing her children and her impending 'empty nester' status.
If you enjoy listening to this podcast why not check out some of the others in season 1 & 2. Or perhaps you fancy taking part yourself? If so why not get in touch. You can find me via LinkedIn or Twitter
After trail blazing in flexible working within their organisations, Chloe Fletcher and Laura Walker came together as a jobsharing pair in 2021. After repeatedly being asked to share tips and advice, and realising the gap in knowledge of the benefits and practicalities of jobsharing, The Jobshare Revolution was born.
They now offer inspiration, advice and consultancy support to help organisations to drive gender equity through jobsharing. Alongside this, they continue their Senior Finance role as a jobsharing pair.
After starting her career at Deloitte, Laura joined Asda as an entry level management accountant and progressed to Senior Director over a 10 year period including roles in Accounting, Commercial Finance and Head of Internal Audit
As an advocate for social justice, Laura is hugely passionate about her roles as trustee and treasurer of both Citizens Advice Leeds and Older Citizens Advocacy York. She is also believes in sport for mental health and spends most of her free time running and cycling.
Chloe trained on the Cadbury Finance Graduate Scheme and progressed rapidly through the ranks, ultimately leading the Supply Chain finance team. She joined Asda to lead Ambient Logistics Finance and had a varied career, including Finance Director for George Clothing.
Chloe led the "Free Range Finance" programme to transform flexible working at Asda - which sparked a passion to do more. Outside of work, Chloe is a huge advocate of wellbeing and self development - as the Trustee of a mental health charity and a personal development coach.
We discuss the ins and outs of jobsharing from the perspective of the individuals themselves, for managers and employers, and tackle some of the myths about the higher cost, lower productivity and difficulties in how to appraise two different people sharing the same job.
It's a fascinating discussion and one in which I became even more of an advocate for flexible working weeks and jobsharing as a way of keeping highly motivated and skilled workers in the economy for longer. It is mainly women who will benefit, due to childcare and maternity leave - but jobsharing is for everyone and every role.
I wish them the best of luck as they embark on this new venture together, they want to change the world for the better, and I can't wait to see how they get on.
If you enjoy listening to this podcast why not check out some of the others in season 1 & 2. Or perhaps you fancy taking part yourself? If so why not get in touch. You can find me via LinkedIn or Twitter
Where do you start, when you interview your own dad. An inspirational leader and coach in his own right, albeit a university lecturer and football team coach, rather than the type I normally interview.
Lucky to survive his birth, his aunt Agnes nursed him for the first three weeks of his life, then fortunate to survive a heart attack when just 44, he is 80 tomorrow. His own father died when he was six, and as a result he lived a fairly solitary life with few friends, until he went to university in Belfast, where he met my mum (she's my next interview).
He was awarded an OBE for services to science, and throughout a glittering career was a world-leading, actually still is a world-leading chemistry professor. A friend of the earth, he is an inventor of catalysts that take nasty things out of pesticides and petrol and diesel engines. A pioneer in the research around hydrogen and until Covid closed him down - he was exploring the role of biofuels to power large vehicles.
There's so much more I could say, but instead, why not grab a cuppa and take a listen.
If you enjoy listening to this podcast why not check out some of the others in season 1 & 2. Or perhaps you fancy taking part yourself? If so why not get in touch. You can find me via LinkedIn or Twitter
Neil Nugent is a professional chef and food innovation expert, having left school at 16 and worked his way up through professional kitchens in his home town, then London, then across the world.
He then entered the retail sector, innovating new food ranges at Asda, then Waitrose, Morrisons and Iceland.
He now develops his own range of food - Panku - that is sold in many of the major grocery retailers. He also works alongside Gino D'Acampo personally selecting food ingredients from Italy.
Neil is passionate about food, but also reflective on the skills and experience he's had throughout his career and how it has stood him in good stead.
Working hard, working through adversity, but always seeking to have fun and be kind to people.
"Have a bit of fun and be kind, don't get angry or fall out with people, give everybody a chance and it will all come back to you in the end."
Asda taught him a lot about how to manage people, and how to manage himself.
Since then his career has twisted and turned through a variety of retailers, and enabled him to build his own successful business, which keeps him occupied and inspired. He loves food as much today as he always had.
If you enjoy listening to this podcast why not check out some of the others in season 1 & 2. Or perhaps you fancy taking part yourself? If so why not get in touch. You can find me via LinkedIn or Twitter
Dave Barber is an experienced internal comms professional and colleague engagement expert.
He cut his teeth in retail, having studied supply chains and worked his way through various logistics roles at Asda.
Seeking a change of scene, he took a maternity role cover in the colleague comms department and immediately found his passion for internal comms.
After leaving Asda six years ago he set up his own consultancy, taking the plunge into self-employment, while helping companies with their own communications strategies.
He also founded the LinkedIn networking group the Asda Underworld, which now boasts over 500 former employees who meet both virtually and in the real world (normally upstairs in the Adelphi for those in the know).
Dave is a charming guy, and in great demand from former colleagues who saw him operate at Asda and now want him to do for their new organisations, what he did previously.
But to do so, companies also need to adopt the same approach to listening and hearing what colleagues think, rather than relying on one way communication.
If you enjoy listening to this podcast why not check out some of the others in season 1 & 2. Or perhaps you fancy taking part yourself? If so why not get in touch. You can find me via LinkedIn or Twitter
Stuart is the chief people officer at Zenith the UK's leading independent leasing, fleet management and vehicle outsourcing business. He's also a qualified business and executive coach.
He joined Zenith from Virgin Health Care, where he was chief people officer before transitioning to chief operating officer. He has also held senior people roles at Costcutter, Morrisons and Asda.
He joined Asda at the tender age of 16 working on the shopfloor where he learned the importance of good people management, involving people in decisions, respecting their opinions.
Stuart says people make or break teams. You don't have a strategy or culture or products or services without people.
Asda was both challenging and caring - it had a ruthless focus on performance, but also cared about its people. He was pushed really hard to deliver, but when his dad passed away he was flown down to the south coast to be there in person when it really mattered.
Retailers tend to be customer-centric, but Asda was very grounded and down to earth and kept things simple. They truly value colleagues at every level - something Stuart has taken with him into every business. At the time it gave him real confidence at a young age to have an opinion and a point of view.
If you enjoy listening to this podcast why not check out some of the others in season 1 & 2. Or perhaps you fancy taking part yourself? If so why not get in touch. You can find me via LinkedIn or Twitter
Martin Benefer has a passion for human development and loves to help people achieve their potential, both personally and within their career.
He's a Professional Certified Coach (PCC), with a Postgraduate Certificate in Business & Personal Coaching and over 1,000 hours of coaching practice, supporting more than 300 clients. He's also a Coaching Tutor at Barefoot where he trains new coaches, and occasionally, like me, turns up to new training courses, which is where we met.
A couple of weeks ago we attended a Barefoot course called Psychology for Coaches: Existential, Developmental and Buddhist with Julian Humphreys.
A three week course, each session covered a different area of psychology, with an hour or so of pre-reading required in advance. In this podcast Martin and I reflect on what we learned, what we rediscovered, what stuck with us and what's still swirling around.
Martin has a background in health and wellness, is a Registered Nutritionist (RNutr) and has degrees in Sport Science (BSc) and Human Nutrition (MMedSci).
He also practices martial arts. He compares coaching to what he learned many years ago from martial arts: if you're sparring and your focus is on what you're about to do (and not them) you're probably about to get hit!
The tendency as new coaches to plan, prepare and focus on your notes means you're not focused on them. He's always found the best preparation is be present, everything else just gets in the way. Trust that you know what you need to know.
If you enjoy listening to this podcast why not check out some of the others in season 1 & 2. Or perhaps you fancy taking part yourself? If so why not get in touch. You can find me via LinkedIn or Twitter
Ben Cooke is a highly accomplished coach and agile delivery professional with more than 15 years experience.
He helps businesses, teams and individuals to respond to an ever-changing business environment through coaching, training, consultancy, mentoring and facilitation.
Outside of his client work, he is also a long-distance runner, and is interested in electronic music and contemporary art, having once had to build online ticketing sites for the likes of the Arctic Monkeys.
In this podcast we talk about what it means to be an agile coach and how the world of coaching informs his consultancy work. Ben has supported organisations across a wide range of industries, in both the private and public sectors.
He's worked with start-ups to scale-ups, to global household names. '
Borrrowing the client's watch to tell them the time' is a jibe often thrown at consultants, but in Ben's experience sometimes clients really do just want to you to tell them what time it is.
Speaking of time, I recorded this back in April and it's taken me a whole month to edit and post it! So apologies about that lovely listener.
If you enjoy listening to this podcast why not check out some of the others in season 1 & 2. Or perhaps you fancy taking part yourself? If so why not get in touch. You can find me via LinkedIn or Twitter
Jayne is a coach, author and burnout retreat organiser and host. She is also the author of Burnout to Brilliance and the Co-Founder of Balanceology, specialising in the prevention and recovery of workplace burnout.
With 15 years experience specialising in burnout prevention, recovery and culture change consultancy, Jayne is a fellow recovering burnee (is that a word?).
She experienced burn out herself while working at a major UK corporation - the BBC. Since launching her practice in London’s Harley Street, she's helped hundreds of individuals recover from burnout and numerous organisations prevent absenteeism due to chronic stress.
She's lived and worked in Belgium, Germany, Japan, Spain and the UAE. But now lives in Bristol near the sea which allows her to host 121 and team sessions, bringing nature into her restorative work with clients.
Jayne has helped numerous organisations prevent burnout absenteeism, presenteeism and leavism.
She also supports businesses looking to transition from their existing hierarchal management structure to more sociocratic system using the adoption of models such as Holacracy, Teal and Sociocracy.
In this podcast we compare notes on burning out early in our careers and what has brought us both to coaching.
It really felt like a meeting of minds, so much so that our conversation has continued since, with me taking to poetry of all things...
If you enjoy listening to this podcast why not check out some of the others in season 1 & 2. Or perhaps you fancy taking part yourself? If so why not get in touch. You can find me via LinkedIn or Twitter
Frances Lee-Rogers is the founder of Butterfly Development, a professional coaching organisation.
She's spent the best part of 18 years working in HR for large corporate companies across several industries, including Professional Services, Aerospace, Logistics and the Public Sector. She holds a Postgraduate Diploma in HR and Employment Law, and is qualified in Psychometric and Personality Testing (SHL).
In the latter part of her HR career Fran supported Directors and their leadership teams to help them implement change. She also has experience supporting high profile organisational wide projects in highly ambiguous circumstances, so understands the pressures on senior executives and their teams.
"Helping individuals and teams develop has always been a passion of mine so it was a logical next step for me to set up my own business focusing on helping individuals and groups achieve their potential through coaching."
In this podcast we discuss how Fran approaches coaching, and how her dog walking business that she set up after leaving corporate life taught her a lot about reflecting and being in nature.
Three words define her approach, discover, transform, fly - much a like a butterfly. Fran cares passionately about sustainability and doing her bit to make the planet a better place for her nieces and nephews in the next decade.
She describes herself as a persistent optimist. Listen in to find out why.
If you enjoyed listening to this podcast why not check out some of the others in season 1 & 2. Or perhaps you fancy taking part yourself? If so why not get in touch. You can find me via LinkedIn or Twitter
Jon is a self-styled agile coach who works with teams, organisations and leaders so they can understand themselves better and improve the ways they work together.
Offering 1 to 1 coaching, team coaching and facilitation, Jon is a professionally certified coach (ICF PCC) .
He is also a passionate advocate of Agile Software Delivery, with substantial practical experience as a lead developer, Scrum Master, project manager, and software consultant for a variety of clients in the financial and IT services sectors as well as in the public sector.
He provides highly interactive training courses and workshops including:
In this podcast we reflect on our recent Barefoot supervision, the power of spending time with like-minded professionals and the restorative nature of doing so. We also discuss Jon's superpowers, and what he feels is in front of him now.
Jon was drawn into coaching by Geoff Watts, who alongside Kim Morgan (who I interviewed previously - season 1, episode 26) wrote 'The Coaches Casebook' - a must read for all professionally practising or budding wannabe coaches.
Jon tends to be a creative coach, he uses visual facilitation and he uses Lego quite a lot, enabling clients or teams to reconnect with their inner child. He quotes fellow coach Sorrel (who I interviewed previously - season 1 episode 30) - who once said 'coaching is reconnecting people to the wisdom they had as children.' A lovely notion.
Listen to the podcast to hear the rest of Jon's thoughts and our conversation together.
Joy Cosgrove a retail training consultant and coach. Based in Ireland Joy started off studying psychology, mentored by Dr Sharon Lambert - then did her PhD in Edinburgh before ending up in retail for major brands like Harrods and Selfridges.
Sharon encouraged Joy to stop, listen and question - which led her to an addiction to coaching and opened so many doors. She is so thankful for that moment.
Since graduating from Barefoot, Joy offers both personal coaching and group training. She has a couple of clients interested in divorce coaching, and people approaching retirement.
She studied labels back in 2007 before the explosion of neurodiversity awareness - something that I have taken more notice of recently.
In this podcast we reflect on the labels that people are given or they give themselves. And how we interact with them, how they can limit us, how we wear them.
Joy is an extremely generous human which comes out in spades in this conversation.
I reflect on when someone asked me at a meeting 'who are you?', rather than 'what do you do?'. it made me really think about we short-hand label ourselves with the things that we earn a living from.
Joy thinks about how our value set emerges when you hear that question. Who are you? It cracks all of your brain open.
Which brings us round to discussing the essays we need to write for the PD Cert in coaching at Chester Uni. Who are you as a coach?
Listen to find out who we are...
With a background in additional support needs spanning 20 years, Jasmine Miller has first-hand knowledge, understanding and application of supporting neurodivergent children, young people and adults in an educational and community settings.
She is a Barefoot Coaching Trained Coach and recently led a two-day workshop for Barefoot that I attended at the end of November.
Over the two sessions we developed awareness and understanding of neurodiversity, considered inclusive working practices and environments. And thought about how we show up as colleagues and coaches to create the best space to think for everyone - but particularly those who are not neurotypical.
We also considered what might limit us and help us to build relationships and maintain them.
It really got me thinking about living in a neurotypical world, where the customs and norms are designed by the neurotypical majority and are widely understood by so many of us, but often hidden or subtle to others.
We also learned about over stimulation or autistic burnout - a concept new to me but one that immediately resonated. What allowances do we make for others when they are experiencing over stimulation? When perhaps even the journey to work might be exhausting.
And in our coaching practices how avoiding open questions rather than relying on them is worth considering, as they can be hard for autistic people to answer and they can find the expansive nature of them overwhelming.
Creating bitesize goals can also help move someone up one rung on the ladder, without necessarily focusing on the entire journey. So much to learn and so much to reflect one. I hope you get as much out of the podcast as I did :)
After a little break from doing this podcast, I thought I'd change tack and start a new 'season' of episodes by speaking to someone I've had the pleasure of actually coaching.
I find the process of interviewing people an opportunity to reflect and learn about the benefits of coaching people, not just for them but for me as a coach.
Tony lives in Bentonville in NW Arkansas, so all of our sessions together were conducted over Zoom. I remember our first encounter clearly as I'd just received some upsetting news via email literally one minute before our meeting began.
It was a really important lesson in how to be ready to coach, how to give someone your undivided attention and to be prepared, not just in terms of having the skills required, but also being in the right frame of mind.
I'm pleased to say the session went well and was followed by five other meetings one of which we conducted on the phone as he walked through nature. Metaphor became an important part of our coaching sessions, as a means to unlock deeper thinking.
Six months on, and Tony is still applying a lot of the good thinking he did during our time together.
When I was a senior director at Asda (mid management position with a US job title) I was fortunate enough to realise I was entitled to executive coaching.
I seized the opportunity and after selecting three potential coaches from a long list of ten, I picked Jonathan Bowman-Perks.
After an initial chemistry call with JBP and my then boss Chris McDonough I then embarked on a journey that helped change my life. Six two hour face to face sessions in his coaching apartment in London. Me being me, and Asda being Asda, I managed to stretch them out over a whole year, rather than the standard six months.
But what I learned about myself and the power of a great question and the use of metaphor literally empowered me to take charge of my own destiny.
Some of the conversations we had together are as vivid now - nearly seven years on, as they were back then. Precise observations, challenging my limiting assumptions, the use of story and biology. Forcing me to confront how I viewed myself, and the impact of the words I chose to describe myself.
Jonathan taught me so much, I will always feel a sense of gratitude to him and of course to Asda for paying for it! I left Asda a few months after completing my coaching journey. The right move for me, and ultimately the company - so it wasn't wasted money. I left on good terms having helped restructure an entire part of the business, which meant my role was obsolete.
Anyway, have a listen to this 20 minute chat and see for yourself what a fascinating person Jonathan is - and how his application of Nancy Klein's Time to Think principles are so powerful.
Dr Anne Gregory has been Professor of Corporate Communication at the University of Huddersfield since September 2014. She joined the University from Leeds Beckett University where she was Director of the Centre for Public Relations Studies. While at Leeds Beckett, she also completed a three year term as Pro Vice Chancellor.
Anne was one of the tutors and course leaders at Leeds Beckett (formerly Leeds Met) when I studied there in the mid 1990s.
She was also the one who had to validate my sandwich year work placement in London at Building Design Partnership. I think I still hold the record for the shortest official placement, having been made redundant on the second day of my actual placement.
Stuck in a rented house in Leytonstone (pre smart phone / home internet) I was firing off letters trying to get a job. Eventually opting for temporary work via Office Angels on Oxford Street in the centre of London.
I was rewarded for my effort in the finance department of BDP - but being curious and a little cheeky asked if I could meet the PR team while I was there. Pleading poverty and sharing my misfortune of losing my placement, managed to blag a maternity cover role managing the 35mm slide desk.
The rest is history.
Anne has always held the view that communication is strategic, it is what organisations are all about. Translating the vision of the CEO, communicating with the communities in which they operate. Comms is right at the heart of that - making vital connections. Orgs move forward due to certain conversations. It means comms pros are in every bit of an organisation - they are the go to people. Embedded into the fabric of the organisation.
We reflect on what it was that set some students apart from others. A hunger for wanting to know what was going on, what worked and what didn't. An insatiable curiosity and the ability to think through things and make a contribution. Someone who understands issues and has a mindset that says: how am I going to address those issues?
Anne's advice on life is do what makes your heart sing, because that is where your passion will be. Have the bravery to do what makes your heart sing.
Thanks to Anne I found that communications is what makes my heart sing.
Gal Shivtiel is MD at Great Ideas Group, he's an entrepreneur, ex-retailer, and a wanabe vet.
He started his career while on a year out from school working for The Yorkshire Post in ad sales, but with a focus on retail. He got his first company car, and a taste for the working life and decided to stick at it.
Which eventually led him on to Asda, where he started in marketing but moved into trading - heading up the dairy division.
Gal was one of the first senior leaders I knew at Asda to give me praise via my boss's boss. Which had a big impact on me at the time as I hadn't appreciated at that point that he even knew who I was.
His networking and connecting skills are renowned - so much so that many years later I spotted him (having returned from four years in Australia at Coles, and three years in China for Walmart) 'walking the floors' of Asda House. Gliding around the building, checking in with various people, putting credit in the bank with them, and seeing how they were.
Gal was also one of the first people I observed saying yes first, and figuring it out after. He was prepared to take risks. He treated his move to Australia like a holiday - imagining being there for two months, to see if he liked it. What's the worst that can happen?
He has an infectious aura around him, but he is also extremely sharp and astute. Blending his charm with an absolute focus on the customer, be that a shopper in store, or a consulting client.
Best advice he's ever had? There's a couple of things that spring to mind, education is the best investment you can ever make. And you've always got to be confident you're going to do the best you can but sometimes you'll make mistakes.
Emma Fox is CEO at Berry Bros. & Rudd, Britain's oldest wine and spirit merchant, having traded from the same shop since 1698.
Today the company has offices in Japan, Singapore and Hong Kong, a Wine School and an exclusive fine wine and dining venue in London's St James's, and they hold two Royal Warrants for H.M. The Queen and H.R.H. The Prince of Wales.
However Emma's career started out in brewing. Having worked in a Victoria Wine off-licence to pay her way through university, she snapped up the opportunity on her first graduate role to manage a shop within Bass called Augustus Barnett.
A baby buying role then emerged in wine, which led to her completing the wine and spirits training, and at the tender age of 23 saw her flying solo around the world to exotic places like Argentina, Chile and New Zealand.
She reflects on the fact that working hard through uni, combined with an opportunity that presented itself like running an off-licence could be considered 'lucky'. But one goes hand in hand with the other. She knew what questions to ask at the interview for the role, as she had worked in an off-licence.
Her career has taken many paths since, including working for Asda, Walmart Canada, Halfords and TOFs (Original Factory Shop), but it has now gone full circle - albeit the quality of the wine at Berry Bros is a bit better than it was back then.
The thing that draws all of the organisations together is the team of people she's worked with, and how they get things done and have fun. A real sense of getting things done willingly and well through others (something she learned from Asda legend Archie Norman), and taking the role seriously but not yourself. Enabling people to have fun at work is really important to Emma.
She has never really had a masterplan for her career, but she was always been driven and determined without knowing what the end result would be. She always wanted to do new roles and experience new things, which enabled her to spread her wings within large organisations like Bass and Asda.
She was prepared to take the risk on ex-pat assignments without worrying too much about what the next step was. She preferred to enjoy the now.
The best advice she's had was from David Cheesewright who ran Walmart International at the time. She'd been passed over for a couple of promotions, and was a little frustrated.
He asked for five minutes and said he had a real opportunity for her - he wanted her to be his logistics director. Her first response was she didn't think she could do it as she'd never done logistics.
But what he wanted was her transferrable leadership skills, not logistics experience - it was about the how not the what. It was a real penny drop moment for Emma and something she uses all the time when speaking to women leaders in particular. Say yes and figure it out after.
By pushing herself out of her comfort zone it made her a better general manager - adding to her marketing and buying skills - making her a more rounded leader, which has held her in good stead ever since.
It was a risk, not knowing how she would cope - but a great lesson in life.
The gift she would give her younger self would be to be a bit more patient and be a bit calmer. Back then she was know as the Tasmanian Devil.
She recalls that great phrase: "To go fast go alone, to go further go together."
Bring people with you, and manage the urge to do everything now.
Wise words.
Dom Smales is an entrepreneur and social media pioneer having founded a talent management agency called Gleam Futures that spotted and developed YouTubers to become brands in their own right.
He started his career in media sales, selling ad space in magazines and on radio - learning the value of media. He also got a taste for talent management.
Following a health issue he chose to start his own business, a social media consultancy, which led him to discover two sisters (aka Pixiwoo) who were make-up artists, but also had started creating 'how to' video tutorials on YouTube.
He says he was lucky to meet them at just the right time, as he was also working with Chanel and was able to to connect the two.
He realised the entertainment platform they'd created was only going to grow, and there was an opportunity to connect other content creators to brands who wanted to collaborate, and ultimately benefit from what they had.
Part of his manifesto when he set up on his own in 2010 was to work with people he liked. His vision for the community of YouTubers he built was to enable them to have a sustainable career, not just a hobby.
Dom had a real eye for talent. They needed to have a work ethic, the creativity and charisma. His role was to connect the dots for them, so they could use the tools they already had.
The ingredients of his success? He knows and likes people. He spotted talented people who he knew would be brilliant at their jobs - be they creators, or talent managers.
So what's next? He's fascinated by the next wave of subscriber networks for content creators on platforms like Twitch, Patreon and Only Fans.
Dom is extremely humble, generous and gracious. An inspirational leader, who not only spotted an opportunity, but built an entire community of content creators that has paved the way for social media influencers ever since.
Sorrel Roberts is a professionally and academically accredited coach, passionate about harnessing the benefits of coaching to assist organisations and individuals in realising their potential.
Her work focuses on three key areas:
In this podcast we both reflect on a Barefoot training course we attended together: Working on Nature from the Inside Out.
Working with nature in the natural environment is becoming an increasingly popular coaching approach. Coaches and supervisors are stepping out in the natural environment and engaging with nature as they walk and talk with coaching clients. But there are also ways to bring nature into every coaching conversation, be that inside a room, or down the end of a Zoom.
Hosted by Jackee Holder (see biog below), the four hour workshop was a brilliant introduction to using nature in your coaching practice or supervision.
We learned how bringing nature in can bring the unconscious into the conscious, and got the opportunity to try free form reflective writing, we conjured up memories of places that we go to, that when you are there help you feel energised, and we used words from nature to enquire as to how we were each arriving - what's the weather like in your head? - and we considered what the various seasons mean to us.
For me personally it was wonderful to get an injection of Barefoot-ness having completed the PG Cert course in July. Although I'm still in touch with my cohort of peers, it was great getting back into the classroom to be inspired by a new topic, and to meet more of the Barefoot family of coaches.
Sorrel was struck by the space the Jackee creates in her workshops, and feels it is both a balm and a boost, but also the nature from the inside out and the reconnection with leaving the house each day for a short walk.
Sometimes in the coaching industry we sell or live on the idea that change has to be hard - but for Sorrel the metaphor of the changing seasons helped remind us that change is inevitable, it is natural and that things will change and emerge into something else.
Sorrel felt quite poetic about Autumn, the leaves are falling, some things are decaying, but also nutrients are being added to the ground.
We finished the day with a 121 coaching session where we used an image of a tree, via a Zoom call, as the prompt for a discussion. Even in 15 minutes we both found it really illuminating how resourceful the metaphor became for our coachees. Noticing more and more about the tree, its roots, its surroundings, the shape of the trunk and that opening up different and interesting thinking.
I'd highly recommend this course to fellow coaches looking for some inspiration, and of course the opportunity to do some personal development while meeting more of the Barefoot family.
10/10.
About Jackee Holder
Jackee is the author of four non-fiction titles, 49 Ways To Write Yourself Well, The Journal Journey Guidebook, BeYour Own Best Life Coach, Soul Purpose and co-author of two unique illustrated writing maps, Writing With Fabulous Trees: A Writing Map For Parks, Gardens and Other Green Spaces (2016) and Rewilding The Page: The Urban Forest Writing Map.
Jackee works as a leadership coach and facilitator and was ordained as an Interfaith minister in 2001. Jackee writes the monthly Write To Flourish column for Psychologies Magazine and is a board member of the International Association Of Journal Writers (IAJW) USA. Her first and second loves are daily city walks
Amanda's career began on the Marks & Spencer's graduate scheme, where she worked for 10 years before moving to Asda. Starting at Asda as a Store Manager, Amanda progressed over the next 15 years to Vice President - People.
She joined Dunelm in March 2015 and is currently the Stores and People Director on the executive board.
She didn't plan to work in HR or personnel as it used to be called. When she was on the M&S grad scheme she had the choice of personnel or being a store manager and couldn't think of anything worse than dealing with people's problems.
When she was at Asda, she started to mature and realise that good stores were run by good people, and bad stores had people issues. This led her to appreciate the importance of how you lead and manage people in a business, which led her to Asda House and beginning her career in that field.
Asda in its heyday was brilliant at making totemic examples of the importance of values - all colleagues one team for instance.
She's carried some of that learning with her to Dunelm - where it is real and not just about slogans on a poster on the wall.
During the pandemic Amanda says they've actually got a lot closer to their colleagues, keeping connected to them via regular video messages, using the intranet to keep the conversation open, even leading to a new company value - stronger together.
They'd do 'all store coach calls' (Dunelm's name for store managers) - with the aim to listen, learn and understand. Not just listening to act - as you can often do the wrong thing.
Feeling at Home Wherever you Work was born from it.
An approach to hybrid working that is very much led by the colleagues and the teams. They've avoided gimmicks, not been prescriptive and kept it personal to the individual.
They've created different spaces in the offices, shared spaces and hot desks, plus social activities such as quizzes, crazy golf, BBQs.
They've created a wellbeing calendar, bring your dog to work day (to introduce each other to all the lockdown puppies and dogs), plus tours of the building.
Lane4 from EY, have helped them figure out how you lead a hybrid team. 75% of people say they're more productive at home, but a similar amount feel more connected in the office.
The other aspect they've considered is how you join a new business remotely. They're growing and employing a lot of new people, so Amanda is conscious of doing that better. How you make a new starter feel part of the company from day 1.
As a leader you can't just focus on what you care about or what your own needs are. You have to respond to what your team want, and do the right thing by your people.
Amanda thinks the future of work in the next 6-12 months will be very interesting - it's going to be dictated by the market - there have never been as many vacancies - so you need to ensure you are truly meaningful for people. Are you a good company, that cares, cares about the environment, cares about its people.
Over the past 20 years Kevin has worked with top leaders in many different organisations, as a trusted adviser and coach.
He helped them develop their personal leadership styles, build on their strengths and become even more self-aware. By doing so they understand their own abilities, their motivations, and their limitations. He considers achieving deep self awareness as 'money in the bank' for the individual. Particularly for anyone in a large organisation, who then moves to a different working environment such as setting up on your own.
In his career Kevin specialised in coaching and consulting at CEO/director level, and top team development, consulting with them on organisational change.
We were introduced via a mutual contact Justin Skinner who I worked alongside 20+ years ago at Direct Line. He was keen we meet when he heard I was moving into coaching as Kevin had 'been there, done that'.
As he draws towards the end of this career, he is keen to impart his knowledge and inspire others to follow their dreams.
His start point for anyone venturing into a new field of work and wants to be a success is to focus on three things: 1. network, 2. network, and 3. you know where this is heading don't you?
One of the early books on networking was called: 'Build your well before you are thirsty'.
Another great insight he shared with me was from a good friend of his, Tony Walmsley who once ran a petrochemical plant before going into consulting. He used to say: "Don't just do something, stand there!"
As a very busy operational manager, he often observed people rushing around like headless chickens. When they didn't need to.
Kevin's background is in psychology where he learned about models of learning and how the brain works and assimilates information and the importance of reflection. In the reality of the business world he believes it takes real courage to apply that without being viewed as not actually doing anything!
The essence of organisational development is to enable the individual to become more self-sufficient, but this can also mean effectively doing yourself out of a job. Recognising that we all need to eat - you need to be aware of the impact your reflective approach has in an environment where there is an 'addiction to action'.
Keven had always been pretty dismissive of online and telephone coaching pre-pandemic, but when you have no choice, he climbed on that learning curve and was pleasantly surprised what you can do.
It left him feeling al lot more optimistic about hybrid learning and working.
It was a real joy speaking to a seasoned coach who is handing on what he knows to those at the start of their journey.
Having just completed the Barefoot Coach Training Course for Business and Personal Coaching, it was a real privilege to speak to the founder of the organisation herself - Kim Morgan.
Kim is CEO of Barefoot Coaching, one of the most successful and fastest growing coaching and coach training businesses in the UK.
She was one of the UK’s first executive business and personal coaches and pioneered the development of university-approved coach education in the UK. Her lifetime contribution to the industry was recognised when she received Coaching at Work’s award of “Coach of the Year”.
Kim has over 25 years’ experience in the training and development of coaches. She holds a Masters in Coaching and Coaching Development and is a Visiting Research Fellow of the University of Chester and lifetime Fellow of the National Council of Psychotherapists. Kim is also a Certified Grief Recovery Specialist.
In this podcast I get the opportunity to say thank you to Kim, and to reflect on the amazing experience I had on the course, the things I learned about myself, the new skills I've acquired, the new friends and colleagues I've met, and the journey I've been on since April.
I learned that I'm good enough, and if I can remain still, really amazing things can happen. Listening with every fibre of my body to the client that is with me.
The Barefoot organisation Kim has created now proudly boasts a community of more than 4500 Barefoot graduates.
I start by asking Kim what brings her to Barefoot today (one of my recently learned favourite questions). Listen to the podcast to hear her answer.
Katherine has been Customer Director at Hobbycraft for eight and a half years and is accountable for marketing and brand, the Hobbycraft Club and its ecommerce business.
She studied at Glasgow Uni, where she intended to study English, but came out with an economics and management degree - which is a story of her career.
He first role was at Mars, Pedigree Masterfoods, where she did a rotation of two years in lots of different functions. It was really challenging, but you are assigned a mentor, and given a safety net to try things and understand the benefit of taking risks.
Katherine joined Hobbycraft from B&Q, where she was Executive Marketing Director for two years, and, prior to that, spent nine years at ASDA in a variety of roles including Marketing Director and Ecommerce Director.
She loves working for entrepreneurial businesses that have a strong brand and connection with their customers.
Culture is really important to her. When she joined Mars you felt like you were all colleagues one team. Anyone who joins you can learn from, peer to peer or from your manager or you to them.
Usually you were doubling something, or halving the cost - which set you up for a growth plan, the culture gave you confidence to try, with a support structure around you.
Katherine has been reflecting recently on the benefits that remote working brought to the workplace, but thinks you can't replace face-to-face coaching, being in the room together, or walking the store together.
Helping people join the organisation remotely has been a challenge. Sat on Zoom on your own, you may be conscious of constantly asking questions. Whereas in the office or in store you can observe but also have an ongoing chat.
The bit she loves about her job is filling in the insight gaps that you can glean from data with conversations with colleagues and customers in stores.
I asked what piece of advice she would give her younger self - she says she wouldn't change much. Always be ambitious, ask for help along the way, try to be the best you can be rather than focus on a particular role, always put yourself forward, just go for it.
She believes you need to set out your point of difference and go for it.
She picks out people that were a positive influence on her in her career, Rick Bendel, David Cheesewright, Angela Spindler and Rebecca Rees - who treated Katherine and her partner Stephen to go out for dinner on the company when she managed to hit her target - it didn't cost the company much but it left a lasting impact on her, and is something she likes to do now for others.
She also tells the story about Tony Lowe who Katherine was presenting to in a big meeting in her early career, she could tell he was waiting to say something. When she asked what it was, he told her he was waiting for her to get off the fence. From that moment on she never held back from making a decision.
Nick was appointed CEO of Joules in 2019. He has over 25 years’ experience in developing retail brands and strategy. He started his career at Marks & Spencer where he held a number of senior and director roles.
Prior to joining Joules, he was SVP-Commercial at Asda and a member of the Executive Board, having previously been Managing Director of George.
During his time at Asda, Nick was responsible for the performance of the grocer’s trading divisions across food, general merchandise and clothing, and helped drive significant innovation and digital transformation across the business.
Nick is an alumnus of Harvard University, having completed a Personal Leadership and Development course at Harvard Business School.
At M&S Nick worked in the corporate area, and experienced the luxury of the carpet and the quality of the crockery.
He also worked alongside retail legends like Sir Stuart Rose - who led with clarity. He experienced the energy and momentum that's created by a common purpose. When you speak to those who have worked for the likes of Allan Leighton and Archie Norman (Asda legends), people don't really remember the results, they remember how it felt to be part of the team.
At Joules now, Tom the founder of the business is still involved. A combination of his passion and the clarity he and his team has brought to the brand, is still clear today. It hasn't had to reinvent itself like many brands, who lose their way.
Nick gets fired up and motivated by where the company is going, and the importance of shared values that you live by. You don't say one thing and do something else.
He really enjoys learning and understanding how he reacts, unless you go and find out you'll never know.
He gets a lot of energy from speaking to people from across the organisation. Which has been challenging over the pandemic.
He now leads a hybrid team who are based at home and increasingly moving back into a brand new office. It is the first time in 12 years that all of the Joules functions will be under one roof, having occupied various offices in and around the area.
They've learned a lot over the past 15 months, that they can create product, acquire a business, open shops and close shops - all remotely.
They are now developing a fully flexible approach for colleagues who decide how much time the work from home and in the office. Making sure that work fits into their broader life.
Core hours are 10am-4pm - with no meetings held outside of those hours. Which then allows people the opportunity to flex their time around the start and end of the day to take the kids to school or walk the dog.
As he looks ahead, his hopes for the future - he says the business has a much stronger connection with colleagues in stores.
He wants to ensure everyone feels they are in it together. Finding the balance is going to be key, and by the end of the year he thinks they'll have found their rhythm in terms of hybrid working.
As an ex-England International table tennis athlete, former National Coach and current Head Coach at British Para Table Tennis , Greg has successfully competed and worked in elite sport performance leadership and management positions for over 20 years.
A fellow Barefoot graduate he is also an internationally recognised Associate Certified Coach (ACC) with the International Coaching Federation (ICF).
In this episode we discuss the transition from coaching elite athletes to coaching business executives.
From a very early age coaching was a part of his life. He recalls being eight years old and playing football in the garden while recording how to guides on video. He grew up with a fascination with the coach and player relationship.
Following a short international playing career he got into coaching. Studied coaching at uni, and became a head coach in table tennis.
Barefoot was a fantastic learning experience for him, which ultimately improved his leadership skills.
I reflect on how we have led polar opposite worlds, having spent my career in the world of business but recently started coaching a pro golfer.
Greg has found the transition into the business world relatively smooth. Seeing lots of parallels between conversations with sports people - diving into their thinking, recognising how they make decisions under pressure. Getting to the know the individual and what sits underneath the technical and tactical knowledge.
Now he works with clients who are trying to get the best out of their leadership style and philosophy, or get the best out of their teams.
He doesn't really know about their business, he couldn't give them any advice as such, but he can ask them open questions and be curious, in such a way as to unlock their thinking and their potential. Getting them to challenge themselves in their leadership style.
He sees his role as one to nudge and nurture, asking the questions they won't necessarily ask themselves.
We also discuss resilience, and recent events at tennis tournaments and the Olympics where athletes are calling out their own mental wellbeing in relation to whether they feel able to perform at their best, or at all.
Greg sees it as forward thinking for both business and sport, and likes to think of wellbeing as a performance advantage. It used to be seen as a nice to have, whereas now it is a need to have.
We need to spend more time being and recognising how we perform, in the past it was all about going harder and harder.
Avoiding burn out, regardless of industry or sector is key. Factoring in breaks, time out, breathing space. It is the same for athletes, they need to have time off, and less training at certain times. He thinks it is fantastic that people are now speaking out.
He's off to Tokyo this week, and has a buddy and support system in place.
Greg has just had the conversation with the team about enjoying the moment, and not letting it fly by in a flash. They want to enjoy this moment together. It's been five years in the making. People have had to delay things in their lives, having children, transitioning into new careers.
I fully expect him to have to update his LinkedIn on his return, having already helped deliver over 60 major medals for British Para Table Tennis, including European, Paralympic and World Champions. Watch this space!
Good luck to Greg and the entire GB and NI para team in Tokyo!
Stephen is a professional advisor to agencies and communication teams, an author and teacher,
He has a track record of founding, growing and managing change within creative agencies.
We met many moons ago when we were colleagues on the CIPR social media panel - considered to be quite ahead of its time back then with an amazing group of people around the table.
Founded in April 2010 the panel was made up of CIPR members (and me!) who were considered to be some of the foremost social media thought leaders and contributors at the time. They collectively input into the Institute's policy guidance, education, training and digital media output, and co-authored two books on social media.
Stephen has reflected that he has benefitted at every stage in his career in a shift in technology - he started in tech PR at the end of the 90s, then moved into digital media and social - having previously studied engineering at university.
Even now in the last 12 months with his new business Wadds Inc, he is interested in the world of work and life following the impact of covid.
One of the great things he does is work out loud, he loves the idea of a shared space where people can create, and learn. In many ways he is 'a collaborative doer'.
Stephen has reservations about the way social media has been weaponised, but he believes it still has many benefits. The social web enables you to share your ideas, and invites others to improve on them, with the creation of community and shared spaces where people can come and think.
During lockdown we've need to use tools like Zoom and Shooglebox to enable shared creative thinking - but nothing replaces the energy in the room when you are able to think around a creative problem.
Stephen has held the role of Visiting Professor in Practice at Newcastle University since 2014, supporting the university and students through teaching and mentoring.
He is also an author - and most recently collaborated with my dissertation tutor from Leeds Met (now Director of Research at Leeds Business School), Ralph Tench - updating the must-have PR manual for every practitioner and student - Exploring PR & Management Communication (first co-authored by Liz Yeomans and Ralph). Which Stephen and Ralph attempted to rewrite while walking the North Yorkshire moors, thrashing out the chapters as they hiked.
The advice he would tell himself now if he was 25 again - would be learning to manage your emotions. Noticing the frustration or anger means something needs to change. It's the most important lesson in life he's learned.
Aimee is a passionate, dynamic and pioneering brand communications specialist with 20 years experience - providing senior executives at some of the world's biggest global brands with strategic communications advice and counsel, with a particular focus on entertainment partnerships to help brands tell impactful stories.
From early on in her career she knew she wanted to get into the film industry - and by putting it out there, an opportunity arose with the British Film Institute, which led to her joining DDA PR - a job she thinks she probably shouldn't have got.
Luck is when opportunity meets expertise - so when HP sponsored BFI - it was a no brainer that Aimee needed to be on that account.
At the time it felt like a long time coming - but as she looks back, it probably wasn't. When she was interviewed it was remarked if you can sell razors (Gillette was one of her brands at the time) you can sell Tom Cruise!
Patience has been Aimee's biggest challenge, but actually not getting what she wanted straight away was a blessing in disguise. Enabling her to get a grounding in brand PR that is now paying dividends in her latest venture - getting brands to partner with film makers.
She's now doing her dream job.
Aimee mentors a lot of people - her advice to others is that we don't know the whole story yet, sometimes what seems like the biggest disaster may serve us well in the future.
She sometimes wishes she could go back to her 22 year old self and say: "Trust me, you're going to be really grateful for this experience right now, it's going to come full circle."
She finds that mentoring others helps her affirm the beliefs she holds and lessons she needs to remember. Such as self care - sometimes you can get stressed when things go well - the feeling or pressure that you need to jump on this opportunity now.
In order to be the best version of herself Aimee practices transcendental meditation - every day without fail - a mantra based form of meditation.
Her intuition is stronger, she hears things differently, she has more self-awareness. When you change yourself you change 50% of any relationship you are in - so you become a different partner, friend, sibling. All of her relationships have improved, she is more tolerant, more understanding, and gives people space. She has stopped engaging in the drama. She is kinder and more compassionate.
Diane is co founder of The Drum.
She describes herself as an avid consumer of business education, having stupidly not bothered in her early career.
She also engages in mastermind coaching and business training and loves reading business books (currently on the go is The Win Without Pitching Manifesto by Blair Enns).
This appetite for learning has helped her make fundamental changes to the business in the last four years, resulting in a more focus and better results.
On Diane's Twitter biog she describes herself as marketing-mad, business-obsessed, and unhealthily competitive. She also loves eating peas from the pod - so is looking forward to this time of year - pea pod season.
She joined The Drum in 1996, but couldn't have imagined then she would be living in London with offices in Mumbai, Singapore, and New York.
She's proud of the communities The Drum has created, by supporting marketers solve their problems, helping them navigate their way through the industry.
One of the books she read that was life changing - Think and Grow Rich and the Language of Leaders - helped them express their goals better, and consider questions like why couldn't we open an office in London.
She is inspired by Andy Murray, as tennis fan, but also watching his journey as a wee laddie from a little town in central Scotland go on to achieve the success that he has.
When recruiting people she looks for people who are curious about their business and about the world. She also likes people who smile, someone she can imagine spending time with, people who enjoy their lives. An important aspect of high performing teams.
There are still lots of un-dones on Diane's list, including to do virtual awards by making it like a full blown TV production. The Drum is undergoing a rapid digital transformation, which is being accelerated by the lockdown. The USA is also a big target, with the aim of it being a much bigger part of its business.
The downside is there have been times when they weren't sure they'd make it through to next month, with the business hinged on loans against their house, worried she may need to let her team go. So it's not all been rosey.
There's failure in her past but she chooses for it not to define her.
Her advice is to surround yourself with good people, who will support you and wipe your tears for you.
Through her competitive nature, she refused to fail. You have to work hard, nothing worth having is easily won.
Marissa is a fellow Barefooter, but who is on a different cohort of the training. We met on the Barefoot Taster Session back in January, but started the course at different times, as I wanted to learn during work time (Tuesdays and Wednesdays) and Marissa wanted to go to college at weekends.
She specialises in delivering learning consulting and professional facilitation services, having spent 19 years working at Deloitte.
She is working full time during the week, and studying at the weekends, but doesn't feel like it's a chore. She gets the energy from the rest of her group, the learning she's doing, investing in herself. But she admits it is shattering!
She tries not to worry too much about what they've learned each week, go with the flow. When ti comes to learning, people have to find what works for them. We start with the best intentions of reading all of the books on the list, but in reality most of us haven't. But that's ok. Instead being in the moment, rather than stressing or beating yourself up. Look at what you are doing, don't focus on what you're not.
The bits that have stood out so far for Marissa are the vision work, looking back and understanding what it looked like, what it smelt like. The other key thing is her coaching style and how it has changed through the course. She is much more aware of what she is saying, how she is reacting. So much more at ease with it. She used to plan much more, think about how it was going to play out. But now she knows the best coaching conversations are just going with it, and taking away that structure.
When you first see some of these things in action, you wonder how is that going to work, it feels awkward, but then you bring it into your coaching and see how powerful and impactful it can be.
But Marissa has also observed that clients react differently - the wheel of anything worked brilliantly with one, but not with another. And that's ok.
Being a coach and being in the presence of another human being when you see them make a shift in their thinking, is a real privilege.
Marissa's hope for the future - two two years from now she'll have 100 clients under her wing, helping support people.
I reflect that I am a better person on the back of Barefoot, I am more self aware, I recover quicker. I recognise I have an iceberg and how I show up to a coaching session has an impact on the client. In recent weeks I got to see that in action as I received an email one minute before a session started that previously would have knocked me for six, but I was able to observe my feelings, and manage them in service of the client.
Loved catching up with Marissa - and seeing how far we have both come in six months.
For anyone that has worked with Andy Clarke over the years, he obviously needs no introduction.
The former CEO of Asda where he was in charge for six years - a longer tenure than most chiefs. He left school with one O'level in English having spent too much time on the sports field - where he captained the rugby team and water polo team.
Only hanging up his rugby boots when he was 50 having suffered a big injury - he knew the time was right to start watching from the side lines.
His father a policeman, encouraged him to get a job, soo he knocked on the door of the local shop and asked the manager Denis Lever if he'd employ him.
He got the chance, and worked his way up to supervisor. The rest is history.
Rugby taught him discipline and respect - skills and values he carried through to his retail world.
He works on the basis that nobody is a bad person, so giving people an opportunity in the world of work, or via his involvement with The Princes Trust.
He still wears a shirt and tie to Zoom meetings, as he felt it was the right thing to do. The old disciplines have stuck with him.
40 odd years in retail and flashed by in an instant. But his appetite to be on the shopfloor is not diminished, so much so he does all the family shopping - something his wife tells him is sad!
I remember the rapport he had with Asda colleagues on the shopfloor when he was at Asda - working with people is something he's always loved. And has always made him feel proud to be a part of, community spirit and teamworking environment.
We reminisce about the Walmart shareholder event where Asda took 250 store colleagues to NW Arkansas to the annual jamboree.
Many of whom didn't previously have a passport or had travelled on a plane outside of the UK. For a week they'd all be up at 5am seeing different parts of Bentonville or seeing Rod Stewart perform on stage. It was an unbelievable journey - life changing in a really positive way.
It also led Andy to be on stage with the band Keane - who had been flown in to represent the UK.
I remember a time in my career that impacted Andy - as his personal PR, looking after him conduct media interviews. The headlines in one particular paper didn't go to plan. Not what either of us wanted to see. I wanted to put my head in the sand - I'd mucked up. When we came into contact, he gave me a wink and a friendly clip round the ear. Shit happens. Don't worry about it.
Choosing your attitude, is important to Andy. Mistakes are made, it was intentional. It was a huge learning process and has stayed with him ever since.
I ask him where he gets his energy, a father of seven, the most recent arrival a pandemic baby called Tom.
He's always had it since school. He and his brothers lost their mother when he was pretty young, he watched how hard his father worked to bring them up, and gave them a real purpose and aspiration to keep going and do more.
He loves to see his own children grow up and develop - that gives him energy.
He has no plans to retire - what would he do all day? Read books and play golf? It would do his head in!
In this episode I caught up with Mav Wynn, an amazing leader who decided to leave the world of investor relations in the city of London to become a pilates instructor in Costa Rica.
A career spanning 20 years, enabling listed companies to communicate with shareholders more effectively.
But she felt that something was missing.
She was helping companies better articulate their purpose but she wasn't so clear on her own purpose.
She realised some of the things that were important to her, required her to leave the city and move to the jungle.
Mav wanted to: "own her time, be closer to the ocean, and have more movement in her life."
Her coach, Elizabeth, helped her understand what was important to her. Helping her gain perspective that gave her the confidence to make these changes.
She kept wrestling until she found the answer inside herself.
Mav is full of wisdom, self-reflection is key, being mindful of living in the moment, accepting that it is a journey she's on.
Her arrival in Costa Rica is the start of something, not an end point.
She thinks finding a good coach, is invaluable. To help guide you on your way.
Living through the isolation of lockdown has been tough for someone who thrives on the instant gratification of teaching students in person.
Not having that energy exchange weighed heavily on her.
She found herself beginning to drift, so she checked back in with Elizabeth again.
She took a long hard look in the mirror, and decided, "you've got this".
She feels the pandemic has encouraged people to slow down, spend less time on their laptop, to live more healthily.
People who are very successful and wealthy are realising living a much simpler life has real benefits.
She believes personal growth happens through relationships, seeing new people, learning new things.
Claire Foy is a fellow student on the Barefoot Coaching course - in this podcast we reflect on reaching half way, and review our 'performance' in the first half.
It's strange to think two months ago we'd never met one another as a group, and just how far we've come as coaches and students of coaching in that short space of time.
We are already good enough, more resourceful, better equipped, and embracing the chance to learn new skills, play at new techniques and trust the process.
Claire is a class act, and so easy to converse with.
We reconnected a few years ago at a cricket test match at Lords over a glass or two of very good quality wine, having crossed paths at Asda. An accomplished leader, Ade started his career working in his family's shop in Glasgow. As a young man, he learnt the art of buying and selling and listening to customers, and how to actually make money.
If you buy something for X and sell it for Y, the bit in the middle goes in the family pocket. It is something he has carried with him - the simplicity of doing business.
An informal approach in the corporate world has not held him back, his preference for talking to people and cutting through the noise, making the complex simple has stood him in good stead throughout his working life. If you stop and listen to people in your team, you can learn what it is that goes behind the decisions they are making. If you want to win as a team, you have to instil confidence in your team - bring out the best in everyone in that team. Allow people to be themselves first, and for them to realise that it's OK be yourself.
His approach to problem solving relies on a 3-step formula: simple, complex, simple.
Start by asking simple questions, those that you would ask as a child, be inquisitive, get the cut through from people; then put in place a complex set of analysis, pull together data, opinion, hearsay, facts; then spit out a simple answer so people understand what you want them to do in three headlines.
Ade is willing to question the traditions that have gone before and happy to be 'unimpressed by them'. Challenge the norm can lead to greater success and an inspiring approach for your team, who see you are willing to accept new ways of working.
In recent years as he's led large teams across companies like Asda and Accolade Wines, Ade has drawn down on one of the best managers he ever had the pleasure of working with. Allied Domecq's David Scotland, who was on the board and CEO of the wine business.
At his first quarterly review meeting as MD UK Ireland, Ade prepared a big pack of numbers and information. David rocked up to the meeting, and Ade got ready to present his pack. But David stopped him, put the pack to one side and said: "I know all of that, I've seen it, tell me what it is you are going to do to lead and inspire this organisation to better things?"
It made him realise managing people was the most important thing you could do in business.
David added: "You've got to stoke the fire within people - make it a great place to work, deal with their emotions, and encourage them to be the best they can be."
He found that truly inspiring. And has led like that ever since.
I'm happy to say I've witnessed Ade live out those words of David's to the max.
Mark is currently resting in between roles, having previously run companies like Speedo and more recently Wolverine Worldwide.
Like me, he's found Barefoot at a point in his life where he has the time and capacity to learn more about coaching, having practiced it throughout his managerial career.
He's been reflecting on our two week half term about the fact that as coaches we are always good enough. Holding space for someone else is really powerful.
Mark is a great coach, and a brilliant observer of others on the course when they are coaching. He helped me realise that being still can help the person being coached to open up and reach a deeper level, so much so that I now have a Post-it Note next to my laptop!
He's always been a big fan of feedback if it is given in the right way. As a coach we want us much feedback as we can.
The thing he loves about our group is allowing ourselves to be vulnerable and an eagerness to learn and get better.
Notice what you notice is key - not just in terms of language used, but also reflect back changes in tone, or pace, or feelings. Mark says you need to listen with your eyes, your body and your gut.
We met on Twitter ten or so years ago, since when we've become virtual mates.
Both comms professionals by trade, we had a shared connection in Hamish Thompson.
Mark describes himself as a public speaker and campaigner, a Social Media and PR Pro, with demonstrable experience of getting around in a wheelchair, having an incurable, progressive illness called Multiple Sclerosis. He's not a ninja or a guru but he blogs at One Man and his Catheters and plays Wheelchair Rugby - admittedly badly.
In this conversation we reminisce about the social media hey days, what's changed in the world of comms since we started out, but also what motivates Mark, where he gets his get up and go, in spite of starting the day with his tank quarter full due to his MS.
We also talk about his personal brand - his colourful clothing, footwear and hair dyes. If people are going to stare at the man in a wheelchair - do it because he looks funky or weird not because of his disability. Eye catch for the right reasons.
He's transparent, open and upbeat about his illness while he can be.
His two best purchases in lockdown are his hair clippers and his posh coffee machine.
Physically he is always knackered - but he was born positive. He started life as a holiday rep and helped open Disneyland Paris, living a wonderful silly life, drinking and snogging. Then met his wife, which caught him up short.
Some of this drive comes from his wife and two children, who he wants to live up to, and show them a good example.
Dixons, and his manager at the time, helped him go through each stage of his early illness - transforming his PR role into social media.
Emma and I met each other on Twitter back in the days that social media platforms were fun, vibrant and full of unexpected opportunities to connect with like minded people in the real world.
Since then we've worked together, coached one another and formed a strong friendship.
Emma is impossible to put in a box, which is ironic, as she can often be found inside one of her many shipping containers - Playboxes that appear in town centres, parks, or neighbourhoods around Yorkshire.
While I was at Asda, Emma was a thought-partner of mine - helping me on a monthly basis think better, share ideas, and be heard. An important aspect of me being the best I could be in a senior leadership role.
Emma has many superhero powers - one of which is an amazing ability to ask questions. She is curious, and is fascinated by what makes people tick.
In her day job, Emma uses play to blur the boundaries between the physical and digital worlds, encouraging participants to get creative with all manner of media, from cardboard to code. To the naked eye it is a street event with crayons or Play-Doh, but to the trained observer you can see Emma in her element. Giving people a safe space to explore and discover. By doing so she creates a space for psychological welcome. Where people can stay for five minutes or linger for five hours.
She believes the 'theatre of the street' is a key component, because people love to look at things, to observe. She wants people to feel they can do more of what they love in places where they live with other people.
Emma manages to give groups of people on a busy high street, what seasoned coaches take 30 years to master in a 1-2-1 environment with a paying executive. Giving people time to think with distractions everywhere - it is a wonder to behold.
I really loved capturing Emma's story on this podcast - let me know what you think.
Sanja Kon describes herself as a digital executive and international keynote speaker with a passion for coaching, spirituality and self development.
She was born in Sarajevo in a mixed marriage, moved to Italy before war broke out, attended one of Europe's top universities, and has settled (for now) in the UK where she is currently the CEO of Utrust, a disruptive Fintech blockchain crypto currency company.
Prior to running a start-up she held a number of senior positions at eBay, PayPal, and Vodafone.
A multilingual communicator, Sanja has a proven track of building and leading international teams in challenging commercial environments. She is fascinated by how technological innovation impacts our lives, constantly investigating new start-ups that will shape our future.
She is a mentor and advisor to various start-ups within accelerators and incubator programmes. and is a regular speaker at international conferences, sharing her vision and knowledge on how the digital landscape impacts consumer’s behaviour.
To top it all off Sanja is also deeply involved in diversity and inclusion as a mentor and coach to women leaders. She says she loves helping leaders around the world to regain their confidence and overcome their self-limiting beliefs.
Wowsers. She's a bit of a rock star really isn't she?
In her late 20s she started to become interested in life coaching, a concept that in Italy at the time was still not commonplace. She hired a coach from the US, she started to invest in herself each year - helping her move from the big corporate world.
Now on Barefoot she is looking to give back, by focusing on coaching and in time developing her own practice.
She has a morning routine where she doesn't read emails or social media, she meditates for 15 minutes, and tries to exercise if she can. When this slips, it really negatively impacts her day. The course already is helping her become a better leader. Helping her say no to other things that compete for her time and attention.
She is learning more and more about being present, and although she thought she was a good listener, there is so much more you can do - to give your time to someone, and be there. Not reading emails, focusing on them, and demonstrate you are really listening.
She is a goal setter herself, monthly goals, weekly goals. But she encourages her team to review their life goals every six months - are you happy here in this environment, if not, it's time to look at another challenge, another role or even consider leaving the company.
We also discussed when she is at her peak, and what floats her boat - she has come to realise it is all really about the small things, to be grateful every day.
Her insight on life is to be the CEO of your own time.
I love that sentiment.
Doug was most recently a global vice-president and head of Amazon UK from 2016 to 2020. He is currently chairman of the British Heart Foundation, and the director at Natural Histroy Museum.
He left Cambridge University with a maths degree, before getting a PhD at Edinburgh, then he taught at Aarhus University in Denmark, before joining the civil service, then going into consultancy with McKinsey & Co, following which Andy Bond brought him into Asda as his head of strategy.
Doug also spent four years running Amazon in China, during which time he ran a marathon along the Great Wall of China, just for fun.
He was born in Leeds, where he lives today, grew up in Africa to parents from New Zealand, so has always had a global outlook.
He is mindful each year of the things that give him balance, and takes time to plan the next five years ahead, as when you have a plan rather than coast you are more likely to get stuff done.
Doug has his own Wikipedia page - which says it all really - he is one of the smartest people I've ever had the pleasure of knowing, has no fear, and loves a challenge.
He is also charming to boot. Oh, and did I mention he is Scottish international triathlete, and a keen ski mountaineer?
In this podcast we discuss the future of work, and how people will need the ability to manage both people and machines.
Doug believes the early 21st century is going to be as pivotal a time as each of the three previous industrial revolutions, with data and informatics fundamentally shifting how we work as humans.
Rob Chester studied law before getting into retail, having worked his way through Uni at the local Tesco.
His father had given him advice as a young man - offering three options, become a doctor, a lawyer, or an accountant. Counting wasn't his strength and he couldn't stand the sight of blood. So he ended up being a lawyer running shops. Which came in handy when he started to look at the compliance rules that were dished out by head of office.
He was brave, pointed out the obvious problems, and created a much clearer one page summary - and was offered a trial.
From there he went off round the world doing a variety of compliance roles - then joined Asda, then Walmart China, a stint in the US at Walmart HQ, and most recently has headed up the compliance and certification organisation NSF International as it's European Food Managing Director.
But it was as a store manager at Tesco that he learned some of the key skills required to lead people. One of his father's tips was when you change jobs, write down one thing you're going to copy and take with you, and one thing you'll leave behind.
A key learning was focusing on the customer - Terry Leahy (Tesco's CEO in the 1990s/2000s) had an absolute obsession with customers - he ensured you put the customer at the centre of every decision.
Rob is a student of leadership - he engenders trust - people want to be led by him. He still maintains a cohort of mentees from his days in China.
So when he joined NSF as a new starter, he created a YouTube video to introduce himself to his field-based team to demonstrate his humility, and his open door approach to wanting to hear what was really going on.
He told a story about a mistake he made with pickled onions - which led him to speak to colleagues and customers, to hear first hand why he had got it wrong.
He always aspired to be the type of leader who knows what is going on on the ground.
On the issue of trust - he says there aren't any shortcuts - you've got to show day after day, week after week that you behave consistently and listen consistently.
He's always encouraged boards to take 'conscious risks'. In order to do this you have to remain in touch.
One of his biggest mentors worked in retail and visited 10 stores, and asked for feedback from 10 colleagues on the shopfloor - 100 pieces of feedback a week. Always able to keep his finger on the pulse.
Rob gets his energy and inspiration by being disciplined to focus on simple things like exercising every day, eating healthily, sleeping well (including watching comedy before bedtime to help his brain switch off).
Michelle has over 20 years experience managing teams, with a background in marketing communications, project management and insurance. Before joining Reech - her current agency - she worked with the Environment Agency and DEFRA, on high-profile campaigns.
She describes herself as an enthusiastic and effective leader and team player motivated by making a difference and adding value wherever she works. She's taking a long and winding path to coaching, which dates back 15 years, when she had coaching herself for the first time when she was going through a break up and became a single mum. She's read a lot around the topic, and when managing her teams she tries to use a coaching approach. One day she hopes to have her own coaching practice.
In this episode we reflect on a big week on the Barefoot Coaching course.
In Michelle's words it was massive, really massive. This week was a deep dive into the self, ourselves, considering who am I? Am I even a coach?
We've been learning about the coaching relationship - and considering how you practice unconditional positive regard for yourself - are we giving ourselves permission that we are enough?
Noticing what we notice, understanding how present you are, managing your inner voice, and using meditative techniques to ground yourself before starting the process.
All of this big stuff made the top of my head hurt.
Michelle reflected on the iceberg way of thinking, what's visible and transactional, what's beneath the surface - self beliefs, values, the way you think.
"I hear you" was something that came up for me, honouring the person you are listening to. Recognising what they have said, acknowledging it. And how powerful that really is.
We also discuss the questioning exercise we did in pairs, that felt a bit weird but was profound.
My coaching session this week also enabled me to get off a tightrope that I've been traversing for more than 20 years. And reappraise how I handle feedback and whether or not I let it go to my head.
All in all another great podcast (even if I say so myself)
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Judith McKenna is president and CEO of Walmart International where she leads 550,000 associates across 23 countries.
Having joined Tetley pub company from a law firm, they decided to move offices down south, she suddenly found herself without a job, and a nine month old baby. One day she got a call from the retailer based over the road - Asda - and started her career in retail.
She was promoted to the board while eight and a half months pregnant with her second child, a really forward looking move by the company who placed their faith in her and her ability. At the time it didn't cross her mind just how momentous that was.
That step up took her a while to find her feet, from always having someone ahead of you, to having the dust ball moment - when you realise the responsibility rests on your shoulders.
Allan Leighton taught her the power of connectivity with people - he took the time every Monday at 6.15am to sit down with the accountants and ask them - what do I need to know? He didn't have to do that, he could have waited for the report to land on his desk and ask someone way more capable than they were.
Someone once told her you need to be more commercial - you have to look beyond the numbers. Trust your gut, what do you really think. She attributes that insight to Tony De Nunzio - a finance director who went on to become a CEO himself.
Judith believes being yourself is the most important thing you can do - it comes with age and experience, you can make a difference by being who you are, not being scared to share your own challenges as well as the capabilities you have.
The there are TNTs - which stands for tiny noticeable things - the note someone sends you saying well done, or simply asking about you mum who isn't feeling well, or I saw this article that I thought you'd be interested in. Those little moments she is passionate about doing, and she does them not just because they are a nice thing to do for the other person, it is one of the places she gets her energy from, seeing the difference you can make.
The shining light for her is helping people do what they do better. It is where she gets her kicks in business and life.
She'll always tell you what she thinks, but she'll be fair and balanced. But none of this stuff you do on your own - you do it through your personality but you have people around you who you trust.
She thinks everyone should give feedback to others - 360 feedbacks loops - above, across and below - by doing so you can help make leaders better leaders by pointing things out to people - good, bad and ugly. It requires courage, but courage is one of those business skills that is critical.
Wellness has become a central pillar over the last 18 months, finding things that give you energy is key. She runs an "It's OK!" campaign with her team - Zoom free days, or go walk your dog if you need to - creating a framework for people to operate within that suits them and their families.
Judith is an inspirational leader of the highest order. Tune in to hear more of what she had to say.
Hava is a Positive Psychology Life Coach, and fellow Barefoot student. In this conversation we reflect on week 2 of the course where we practiced asking questions with ruthless compassion, being empathetic provocateurs, while donning our challenge coats along the away.
In her day job, Hava is situated at a Bakerloo line underground station, where she leads and manages a team to deliver high level service to all London Underground customers. As an operational manager she is also responsible for the smooth and safe daily operation of the station environment, delivering performance targets for customer service, safety, reliability, capacity and commercial performance of the network.
She has recently completed her masters degree in applied positive psychology - achieving a distinction. She really likes interacting with people and enabling them to be their best self.
Hava is really enjoying getting the opportunity to talk about herself with the other participants on the course and to be asked challenging questions.
Marjorie Ellis Thompson has worked on Capitol Hill and in Parliament, as a lobbyist for CND and the Royal College of Nursing, head of communications for the Commission for Racial Equality and founded Saatchi & Saatchi Cause Connection.
She was also chair of CND during the first Gulf War and is co-author of Brand Spirit: How Cause Related Marketing Builds Brands with Hamish Pringle.
I had the pleasure of meeting Marjorie in 1998 when I interviewed her for my university dissertation on cause related marketing, which led to a summer internship at Saatchis.
In this conversation we reflect on the way Marjorie created diverse teams, and gave people around her opportunities through her collaborative leadership approach. Rotating chairs for meetings, taking young interns to client presentations, bringing people into Westminster to experience where decisions are made.
Marjorie had a huge impact on my early career and gave me the confidence to me my full self in my first role at Green Flag.
She opened up doors for people, invited them into the room, respected their intelligence and empowered them to be integral parts of her team.
She likes to think she remains American, when you see a wall you climb over it. Barriers need to be taken down so that citizens find out their representative democracy works.
Marjorie was inspired by a trip to Washington DC with her mother to visit a friend Sylvia Bacon. Sylvia was a judge of the Superior Court of the District of Columbia, and was considered by both Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan as a potential nominee to the Supreme Court of the United States, at a time when no women had yet been appointed to the Court.
She also looks to civil rights leader John Lewis who famously said: "It's alright to get in trouble, good trouble!". It is something Marjorie has tried to do all her life. And if she's making trouble, make it for a good cause.
Marjorie has the ability to be connected and educated, but not exclude you from being in the know. She brings people along with her.
She knows how important it is that others believe in you.
A truly inspirational leader. Capable of everything.
Claire Foy is Head of Learning & Professional Development at Coutts, and also a fellow student on the Barefoot ICF accredited Post Graduate Certificate in Business and Personal Coaching.
In this podcast we both reflect on week 1 on the course, what we learned and discovered, and our hopes and aspirations for the future.
Claire was brought up in the Caribbean, she is happiest living a simple life, walking barefoot. But in her mid 20s she was encouraged to seek out a 'career', and ended up applying for a role at Coutts in the Cayman Islands where she lived.
Fast forward to today and she leads a team of internal coaches based in the City in London, who are helping senior leaders at the bank create 'Time to Think' - based on the principles of Nancy Kline.
Claire believes humans 'leak the truth' so it is important to listen carefully to one another, and to believe the answer lies within them. If you believe they'll believe too.
Tune in to hear more.
Jon Wragg is a versatile and broadly experienced Commercial and Retail leader, with a strong track record. His experience is Global, it covers Apparel and Home categories, includes Private Label development and Premium Brands, is both B2C and B2B; and it encompasses physical retail and 20 years in e-commerce.
With both Board and Executive experience, he sees himself as a results-driven team player, and the type of leader who is able to build, lead and motivate a team to fulfil both their potential and that of the business.
Jon was my first proper mentor at Asda, through which I took a six month career break - then he became my boss on my return, helping me discover the power of diversity, and believing that people who think differently should be valued and supported.
He prefers working with radiators rather than drains - people who inject energy into the room with their enthusiasm - albeit not restricted to extroverts. He himself outside of work is quite introvert, but he has learned how to perform and sell in front of colleagues, always mindful of what the 'customer' needs to hear.
Jon says he is very much a confidence player, and finds trust to be truly empowering. An early interaction with a new CEO set him on that path, who showed faith in him, and trusted him to deliver.
Jon is also a non exec director at Manchester Airports Group, and has no plans to retire any time soon. In fact he's on the look out for interesting opportunities where he can bring all of his experience and knowledge to the table.
He concludes: "When work feels like work it's time to move on!" Well said :)
Fiona is passionate developer of people and high performing teams. She believes this is key to a business' success.
She thrives on learning, developing and challenging herself whether in the work environment or personally.
With a proven track record in the world of fashion, Fiona has had a successful career working at Next, George, Dunelm, and River Island where she built an entirely new brand from scratch.
The bootstrapped entrepreneurial approach is something she is now applying to her new role at Marks and Spencer.
When building a team, Fiona says you absolutely have to know yourself and know what your strengths are and what your opportunities are. She knows she needs a team of people around her who will compliment her skills.
Fiona wants her people to be curious, willing to have a go, make mistakes, and learn from them. Somebody who's going to need every bit of analysis before they move forward is not really going to work in a start-up environment.
In a tiny team personalities that gel together is really important, so Fiona looks for people who don't take themselves too seriously, but take their work seriously.
Fiona says she is not necessarily a generalist. And that was one of the biggest things as a leader she needed to understand about herself. It was a massive step forward for her, recognising what her personal best is, what her skills are, which are about people, product and purpose.
*"I'm a very passionate person, and being able to dial those up and not pretend to be something I'm not... Too many people try to emulate a model maybe that isn't authentically them.
"I think what I've hopefully done with the people I've worked with.
"Looking at boards that are very heavily led by men in the past, working out that you haven't got to be like them, you can be yourself and be the very best version of you. I think that's hopefully what I've bought people I've mentored."*
Jill is an executive coach with more than 25 years experience operating at the highest levels in business.
She started her career in America, which exposed her early on to a very entrepreneurial way of working, and the well documented American approach 'that anything is possible'.
Jill is now the founder and director at theeightytwo having become an exec coach. Her aim is to help people grow, help them perform, but also provide them with 'kind but challenging spaces to do so'.
Jill has enjoyed a successful career including executive management roles across commercial operational teams in premium digital publishing data and media.
Having worked in the US, when Jill met her husband and relocated back to the UK she also went from the operational side of business to the commercial side, which brought with it a huge revelation for her. Having previously sat quite quietly in the back of the of the business and just made things happen, she suddenly needed to learn how to sell. This was was a very, very transformative moment for her.
Fast forward to today Jill has formed her own company theeightytwo, under the idea that as long as you are invited into the room, you can really help leaders be the best that they can be, whether they're starting from a really solid start or have quite a bit of work to do.
She hopes a year from now we'll be talking about things that aren't even on her radar or the company's radar right now. It is one of the delights of running your own business, the potential to discover and uncover opportunity.
Tune in to hear more of what Jill had to say.
Ellie in her own words is a seasoned executive with many years experience at board level and working internationally.
She is a qualified Executive Coach; working with Non-Execs, emerging and established leaders, and an ambassador for Girls Out Loud - a multi-award winning, not for profit, social enterprise, established in 2010, on a mission to raise the aspirations of teenage girls in the UK.
She has extensive Board, Company Secretary and Non- Exec experience, including Director of and Chair of Risk and Audit Committee at Asda, a £20bn multi-channel retailer and Chair of £1.3bn international sourcing company.
Ellie is a tenacious and dynamic leader, who is skilled at balancing objectivity and challenge with building productive, lasting relationships with internal and external stakeholders across different business cultures.
She is a proponent of Nancy Kline's Time to Think. In meetings she chairs she starts where the energy is, then goes around the room, so everybody knows that they are going to get a chance to speak.
By knowing you can speak uninterrupted, and when you're allowed to talk uninterrupted, Ellie believes it really helps bring clarity to your thoughts. You get a much richer discussion, and you get less nit-picking and argy-bargy with people talking over one another. And it really does help build trust and build relationships.
Ellie says we all have it within within us to do far more than we ever dream we're capable of, and when people realise that through being coached and actually create a way of getting there it is amazing.
Her best piece of advice is be kind to others. It only takes a minute to be kind, in a world of where everything is fast pace, how people show up to a situation doesn't often reflect what is going on for them. It's very easy to judge harshly. So actually, being kind to somebody just can make a massive difference to them.
Tune in to find out more.
In the first episode of Coach Class I had the pleasure of speaking to Stephen Smith, President and CEO at L.L.Bean. Steve and I worked together at ASDA here in the UK, before he became CEO of the family owned outdoor clothing retailer in Maine, USA. Since then I've been lucky enough to have L.L.Bean as one of my clients.
Steve thinks about leadership as curiosity, and trying to get the best out of the people around you. He thinks about expert skills and transferable skills in people all the time. Expert skills are what you are good at e.g. you're a marketer, you're a social media expert, you're a public relations, professional. Whereas transferable skills are what makes you a great thinker, you're persuasive, you have great time management, you're charismatic.
He has three big three values that he lives by and thinks about all of the time from a leadership perspective: empathy, transparency, and integrity.
Empathy - put yourself in somebody else's shoes, understand their perspective. And that can be a person working for you, or can be an adversary or peer.
Transparency - sharing everything, talking about everything, trying to give as much context as possible.
Integrity - just always attempting to do right to do the best possible thing.
Those three values, to Steve are the most important values. When he thinks about his own career, and he thinks about managing and leading people, he imagines assembling skills. He thinks about removing friction, trying to understand why things get done and how they get done and how these decisions impact the organisation and these individuals.
Tune in to hear more of what Steve has to say. He is a truly remarkable leader and human being.