For those willing to be curious, dig deep, and be surprised by God, this is your safe place to wrestle with the challenging and paradoxical tenets of the Christian faith. Host Christine Chandler Prater shares art, story, and humor that inspires and chats with community-builders and other fascinating folks that are shifting the perspective on Jesus. Join us as we explore the upside-down kingdom of God as the right way forward for the world.
What does it actually look like to love your neighbor? And have you ever wanted to love well but realized you didn't quite know how?
Jesus said love your neighbor as yourself. He didn't say love your neighbor from a safe distance, with good intentions, when it's convenient. So what does real, costly, cross-cultural neighborliness actually look like? And why is the church still struggling to get there? Our guest, Chanté Griffin, not only lives this work, she literally wrote the book on it.
Chanté is a literary artist, journalist, actor, and author of Loving Your Black Neighbor as Yourself: A Guide to Closing the Space Between Us. Her work sits at the intersection of racial equity, faith, and communal wellness, and she brings all of it to this conversation with warmth, wit, and a willingness to go there.
In this episode, Chanté and Christine dig into the Good Samaritan not as a familiar Sunday school story, but as a radical, costly, cross-cultural act of love that Jesus held up as the standard. They talk about what keeps well-meaning white Christians stuck, why healing has to start inside the church before it can speak to the culture, and what it actually looks like to show up in a new community without making people your project.
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What if misreading women's stories in Scripture means we've been missing something essential about the heart and character of God?
Dr. Sandra Glahn — theologian, professor at Dallas Theological Seminary, and author of the forthcoming A Woman's Place Is in the Story — joins Christine for a conversation that is equal parts scholarship and soul care. Dr. Glahn has spent decades asking the questions most people are afraid to ask: Where are the women in Scripture not coming through in translation? Where have they been vilified, minimized, or missed entirely? And what does it cost us — men and women alike — when we get the story wrong?
Christine and Dr. Glahn dig into the real cost of male-dominant readings of Scripture, revisit specific biblical women's stories with fresh eyes, and explore how reclaiming women's stories doesn't just dignify women — it restores our picture of the Storyteller himself.
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This one is for the woman who's wondered why God seems to have more to say to everyone else and for the man who wants to better dignify women and champion their gifts. Because as Christine promises, “The deeper we dig, the gooder God gets.”
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What if what you've been avoiding is what heals you?
We don't know how to grieve. Not really. We've been taught to hurry our grief, spiritually bypass lament, and sanitize our suffering — leaving a lot of us with an “emaciated theology of suffering,” and no place to take our pain.
In this honest and tender conversation, Bible teacher, author, and award-winning broadcaster Rebecca Carrell joins me to talk about what it means to grieve well. We dig into why deep grief is not a lack of faith but an alignment with the Holy Spirit. We walk through what Jesus's response to death, grief, and suffering teaches us about showing up for people in pain. We talk about why a good ugly cry is one of the most healing things you can do. And we wrestle together with one of the hardest truths about grief: that it isn't one loss. It's a thousand small ones, stacked inside each other, resetting every time you wake up.
If you've ever been told you're too tender, too emotional, or too slow to heal — this episode is for you. If you've ever stood at the edge of someone else's grief and not known what to do — this one is for you too.
Despite what you might think, grief is not the absence or faith or the enemy of hope. Let's make the holy shift.
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What if the freedom you're desperately seeking only comes through surrender?
Best-selling author and trauma survivor Mary DeMuth returns to The Holy Shift Show to explore one of faith's most challenging paradoxes: we can't control our way to peace—we have to learn to let go.
Mary shares her personal journey of healing from complex trauma, the slow work of God in restoring her relationship with her mother, and why surrender isn't defeat or resignation, but the pathway to seeing God at work in our lives. Mary and Christinedig into the specific areas where surrender feels impossible—our inner lives, our pasts, our relationships, our daily worries, and those particular outcomes we're gripping so tightly.
If you're struggling with cynicism, exhausted from trying to control everything, or frustrated by how long it takes to heal, this episode offers both validation and gentle encouragement. Mary reminds us of the upside-down kingdom truths that sometimes God takes a long time to do something suddenly, and freedom comes only through surrender.
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What if the noise in your life is drowning out the voice of God?
For the final episode of the 2025 Draw Near Dwell Well Series, Christine chats with soul care extraordinaire Andrew Ranucci about why silence and solitude are essential for spiritual, mental, relational, and physical health.
Andrew unpacks the difference between self-care and soul care and helps us understand why silence and solitude feel so uncomfortable and what they reveal about our image of God.
Along with Andrew's wisdom and practical guidance, Christine shares a humbling (and hilarious!) story about her first experience with a silent retreat—complete with temper tantrums in the desert and rage-screaming on the highway. Through powerful imagery—muddy water clearing, a little girl resting on her mother's chest—they explore our deep need simply to be with God.
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What if the uncomfortable emotions you're experiencing aren’t sins or failures, but invitations? In this raw conversation, Christine chats with Christy Boulware, author of Nervous Breakthrough, to talk about stewarding our mental and emotional health. This isn't about quick fixes or spiritual bypassing—it's an honest exploration of recognizing our emotions as information and invitations that deserve attention, not shame.
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Christine and Christy share the messy, honest reality of stewarding emotional health while following Jesus. Most importantly, they offer what so many need to hear: "I believe you. You're not crazy. You deserve help."
Content Note: This episode addresses suicidal ideation, panic attacks, anxiety, depression, divorce, betrayal, and trauma. It's honest, vulnerable, and potentially triggering—but also deeply healing for those ready to do the work.
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Join Christine for a powerful conversation with relationship expert Bob Hamp as they explore what love does (and doesn't) look like, why mutuality is vital in healthy relationships, and how many have misunderstood both the mission and the two-become-one mystery of marriage.
Bob breaks down the patterns that define destructive relationships and why some people feel entitled to demand that others become less so they can feel like more. From misassigned responsibility to weaponized theology, they discuss how flawed or misguided teachings about submission, gender roles, and "dying to self" have damaged countless marriages and driven women away from the church. They also explore how both partners must remain whole to experience the oneness God intended.
If you're struggling in a relationship or supporting someone who is, this episode offers clarity, validation, and a path toward the dignity and unity God designed.
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Join Christine for a special bonus episode featuring her personal therapist, Crystal Logan. They dive deep into the role and purpose of emotions and explore why grief, trauma, and hurt often need to be addressed in the body, mind, and spirit. Crystal also explains how therapy and prayer intersect, and self-compassion helps us heal.
Crystal then guides us through a powerful stillness exercise designed to help our bodies shift into a state of safety, allowing us to connect with ourselves and experience Jesus' presence. Christine closes the episode by sharing a personal reflection on how this exercise and other trauma therapies have begun to heal the deep hurt she's carried.
This is an intimate conversation about the peace and freedom we experience when we learn to be still in Jesus’ healing presence.
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We're all feeling overwhelmed, distracted, and somehow still disconnected despite being "connected" 24/7. Our generation might just be the loneliest and most frazzled bunch to date!
Christine chats with author Laura L. Smith about how pressing pause, practicing gratitude, and noticing beauty can transform our relationship with God, ourselves, and others. They discuss how the Bible and neuroscience agree (how cool is that?): our hurried, distracted living is robbing us of the deep connections we were created for.
Join us for some real talk and practical wisdom on “growing content with growing slow and slowing down,” and find encouragement in discovering moments of awe and genuine connection in your everyday chaos. Your overwhelmed soul will thank you for it!
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Exhaustion is an epidemic, especially for women. Christine chats with physician and author Dr. Saundra Dalton Smith about battling burnout and faithfully engaging with soul care through sacred rest. They discuss how rest and trust are connected and why most of us need more than a nap or a vacation to experience the restoration we yearn for. Dr. Saundra shares the seven types of rest needed to increase our overall happiness, overcome burnout, and live our best lives.
If you’ve been fighting fatigue or battling burnout, this episode will guide you toward drawing near to—and dwelling well with—God through sabbath rest.
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Feeling buried under your stuff, suffocated by your schedule, and exhausted by others’ expectations? Author and simplicity expert Jan Johnson chats with Christine about the paradoxical liberation of simplification. They explore how to determine your core values, establish your priorities, and chisel away what’s getting in the way of rest, joy, and abundance. They also discuss how “checkbox spirituality” contributes to our exhaustion, why Amazon won’t save us, and how to do a heart exam in the middle of Target. If you’d like to learn to be more present, generous, and peaceful, this episode will encourage and equip you to take practical steps toward simplifying your life and faith.
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Feeling frazzled or frustrated in faith and life? Christine chats with author, podcaster, and Spiritual Director Emily P. Freeman about embracing spiritual curiosity, integrating our theology with our humanity, and recognizing how the rooms and relationships we live in—and the rhythms and rituals we live by—shape who we are becoming.
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If you're stuck in analysis paralysis or yearning to make some holy shifts in your own faith and life, this episode is for you!
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Whether you’re battling burnout, grappling with grief, recovering from trauma, or just feeling tired, stuck, frustrated, frazzled, or disconnected, Christine invites you on a journey toward healing and wholeness.
As part of our 2025 series, Draw Near Dwell Well, Christine delves into The Theology of Invitation. She reminds us that faith is not about knowing more ABOUT God, doing more FOR God, or meeting some long list of expectations we think comes FROM God. Instead, Christine emphasizes the importance of stewarding our hearts, souls, minds, strength, and stories, and invites us to accept the one big, beautiful invitation to DRAW NEAR to—and DWELL WELL with—God. She also introduces soul care and spiritual formation practices that foster flourishing and help us live deeply connected to God, ourselves, and others.
If you're seeking a deeper, sweeter, more intimate, joy-sparking, and peace-giving faith, join us for this Draw Near Dwell Well series!
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Christine is back to kick off the 2025 season centered on overcoming overwhelm and learning to live healed & whole. Eager to impart what she learned about God, herself, and love during her 1-year accidental sabbatical, Christine shares some major holy shifts in her life, including an unwanted divorce, an unplanned move, and unwelcome health issues. She also introduces season 3’s theme, DRAW NEAR DWELL WELL, inviting you to explore soul care and spiritual formation practices that help you live deeply connected to God, yourself, and others. More than theoretical concepts, Christine wants to equip you with practical tools that foster flourishing and empower you in your daily living.
Whether you're battling burnout, walking through grief, recovering from trauma, or feeling generally overwhelmed and under-awed in faith & life, this season is for you! Wherever you are on your journey, you’re welcome & accepted here.💛
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Does your faith journey sometimes feel like stumbling blindly through a dark valley? Have you ever felt paralyzed by fear of the unknown? Christine chats with Fr. Cliff Warner about walking in freedom and learning how to live healed and whole. If you have experienced loss, grief, or doubt and are questioning how you can keep faithing forward in the middle of a broken world and story, this episode is for you.
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Christine chats with author & scholar Kaitlyn Schiess about faithfully (and theologically) engaging with politics and power. They discuss the formational force of fear and lament over how it has divided families, churches, and communities. Kaitlyn also shares the four false political gospels she believes plague the modern evangelical American church, then suggests practices for staying sane this next election season and engaging respectfully with people who hold differing viewpoints.
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Christine chats with Pastor Ian Simkins about church hurt and the “upside-down” kingdom way of Christ. They discuss why our greatest calling is to be with—and become like—Jesus (and why it must happen in that order,) and commiserate about ending up in ministry rather accidentally and against their will. If you have been wounded by/disillusioned with the church, we hope this episode will be an encouragement to you. ♥
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Christine chats with writer Rachel Joy Welcher about the purpose of poetry and how it serves as an invitation to notice beauty and interact with the sorrows, joys, and tensions of life. Rachel shares more about the loves and losses that have inspired her work, and Christine asks her to read some of her favorite poems aloud. Rachel then offers helpful writing tips plus 3 poetry prompts, inviting listeners to share online with #theholyshiftpoetry.
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Christine chats with author Shannan Martin about creating lasting connections by living as “ambassadors of awkwardness.” Together, they explore why “loving our neighbors is not the same as not hating them” and the vital role curiosity, hospitality, and empathy play in neighboring well. Christine gets advice on making friends as the introverted new kid in her forties, and Shannan shares practical tips from her book, Start with Hello, for living less divided and more connected.
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What do Jesus and the Bible have to say about women’s roles in marriage, life, and the church? Christine chats with author Kelley Mathews about the competing positions on the topic and why developing and holding those positions with humility matters. Kelley also explores some of the toughest questions she and her co-author, Dr. Sue Edwards, wrestled with in writing their newest book, 40 Questions about Women in Ministry.
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Christine opens up about her recent struggle with burnout and chats with rest and worthiness expert, Emily K. Louis. Together, they discuss the endemic exhaustion that women are especially experiencing and why so many of us confuse people-pleasing productivity with God-glorifying priorities. Emily then shares 3 practical practices to help us SHIFT the way we look at rest, plus offers The Holy Shift community an “Anti-challenge Challenge” to rest and belonging.
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Christine chats with author and pastor Scott Sauls about regret, shame, and redemption. Scott shares highlights from his newest book, Beautiful People Don’t Just Happen, and why he believes that faith is formed more deeply in church basements than in sanctuaries. Together, they discuss the vital roles confession and community play in spiritual growth and emotional healing. If you have ever struggled with fear, doubt, shame, grief, regret, or anxiety, this episode is for you!
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Christine chats with Jason Porterfield, author of Fight Like Jesus, who offers a definition of peace and outlines how Jesus exemplified living as a peacemaker in a polarized world. Together, they discuss some “Kingdom Contrasts” Jesus makes during the week leading up to his crucifixion and resurrection and what “Kingdom allegiance” really looks like. They also explore our call to embody peace in our communities and why doing so proves we are children of God.
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Christine chats with Kate Boyd about the “messy middle” of disentangling faith from culture to gain a clearer vision of God. They lament the “Folk Theology” that permeates both church and culture and explore some false dichotomies such as Eternal Life vs. Abundant Life. Kate also shares how we can draw together the strands of theology, history, and culture and become disciples that believe, act, and become according to the Way of Jesus.
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Christine chats with Ashley Casebier, who shares her story of giving up the relative safety and security of corporate success to obey God’s calling in her career and in the context of community. They laugh about how they met, share tips on discerning God’s will, and discuss why both calling and community are commanded by God and require such courage.
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If you have a prodigal in your life or are struggling with knowing how to love a difficult person well, this episode is for you. Judy Douglass shares her story of clinging to hope while raising a rebellious child and offers tips on partnering grace with boundaries in any relationship. She and Christine explore the challenge of “speaking the truth in love” and emulating Jesus by living lives that are full of grace AND truth.
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Christine chats with Crickett Berlin, who shares helpful tips on dealing with our own grief and ways to offer compassion to others who are hurting. They explore the true meaning of Jesus’ paradoxical statement, “Blessed are those who mourn,” and why community is crucial to healing. They also discuss the struggle to believe in the goodness of God in the presence of suffering and how God answers our “why” questions in a surprising way.
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Lauren Alexander shares her crazy and inspiring journey in becoming a foster and adoptive mom and helps us see how Scripture commands everyone to care for the widow and the orphan in some capacity. This episode will help us all explore Jesus’ paradoxical teaching that in the upside-down kingdom of God, the leaders must become the servants, and “the least” among us are really the greatest of all.
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Christine chats with author Mary DeMuth who shares her story as a survivor of sexual abuse and the heart behind her advocation for women’s stories to be understood accurately and treated redemptively. Mary also helps us explore some women from the Bible that we may have been misjudging and misunderstanding.
This episode will help us all ponder the upside-down kingdom teaching that even in our lowest moments, we are known, loved, and understood by God.
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Ever struggle with burnout, bitterness, or hopelessness? Christine chats with Lisa Bonnema about the paradoxical truth that surrender leads to victory in the upside-down kingdom of God. Plus, Lisa offers helpful tips for avoiding bitterness and burnout and shares her story of learning to cling to hope, even in difficult circumstances.
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Christine chats with Amy Sutherland, Director of Embrace—a ministry serving individuals with special needs and supporting families of kids, teens, and adults affected by disability. Respecting human dignity is a core value of The Holy Shift, as we believe that we are all made in the image of God by the hand of God. This episode will help us all better love, serve, and dignify those with disabilities, as well as encourage their friends and family.
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We are all viewing the world through lenses colored by our own experiences and limited by our own familiarities. We can’t help but paint the world with our own broken brushes. Detangling myth from veracity and tradition from truth can feel a little bit like the ground is shifting beneath our feet. But once we separate God from our own misconceptions and stop trying to confine him to our own categories, he is bound to surprise us, guaranteed to challenge us, and certain to change us.
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Christine is back with author, speaker, and professor, Dr. Sandra Glahn—this time to explore a collection of Jesus’ teaching that revealed humanity’s “Spiritual Vertigo.” Dr. G walks us through that teaching and explores why folks (then and now) find it so darn challenging.
Then things get personal! Christine gets a little feisty as she unveils her motivation behind launching this ministry and podcast, and Dr. G shares how gray hair is forcing her to make a HOLY SHIFT on her take on beauty.
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Christine chats with author, speaker, and Dallas Theological Professor, Dr. Sandra Glahn to explore this thing called, “The Upside Kingdom of God.” (If you don’t know what that is, don’t worry! They explain it without too much speaking Christianese.) They also talk about what it means to pursue God and his kingdom in our current cultural context and the daily practice of prioritizing God in our lives.
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What if our understanding of who God is—and what he wants for and from us—is inverted?
What if the answers to the most important questions in life are not found in ourselves, our politics, or our ideals, but in the upside-down kingdom of God? And what if upside-down is the right way forward?
Join Christine Chandler Prater as she explores the cure for the current chaos in the world and invites us all to shift our perspective on Jesus, what he taught, and why it matters.
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